HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

[Team_Spirit]

Guy is lucky the Jackeys kept him in the league despite being bad what is he mad about???

 

[Garry Valk]

Guy is lucky the Jackeys kept him in the league despite being bad what is he mad about???

He’s not bad…his svp is almost .910 on a horrible team.m. He’s mad because they called up an AHL goalie and told him he’s now the third stringer.

 

[Miller Time]

If we ignore the useless player the trade is that

Carolina
Gibson, Monahan

Anaheim
Strubble, 1st, 2nd

Mt
Zegras, Necas

I feel like we are getting lot for Monahan, a potentially late 1st and mid 2nd. Not 100% certain Anaheim gets more for Zegras though. His reputation must not be very good atm. Dentelle player who's struggling offensively for (unknown?) reasons. ROR did not went for much more than that the first time he was traded. Historically goalies have low value. Not sure Carolina is desperate enough to trade Necas and Bunting for an over the hill goalie and Monahan. Necas is struggling and due for a raise though not sure how greedy he is in the negotiation. Fell like we are doing highway robbery here. Caroline says no imo. Anaheim it depends on how the trade talks are going for Zegras and if bthey must trade him for reasons personally i'm not high on him and i'm not following the saga.

If you view Gibson as an "over the hill goalie", then sure... I'm not so sure that's an accurate way to describe him, nor how he's valued league wide.

 

[Mrb1p]

Guy is lucky the Jackeys kept him in the league despite being bad what is he mad about???

Hes right to be mad, he's been good for them, the Jackets are just shit.

 

[Miller Time]

Dont want Zegras, and Necas is nice but Zegras and Necas is probably the softest duo of player you could find in the NHL. Not good for the Habs.

Very fair... Both are quite soft, though I think Zegras showed good compete toughness as a junior player. Playing in a losing environment like the one Anaheim has been since he arrived might well have had an impact. While not a great sign, if he rekindles that compete level with a change of scenery, some team will end up laughing.

Necas has the kind of talent that is worth buying low on. Relationship with Canes/Brindamour is strained & he's up for RFA contract... Do they force a bridge or try to move him for right now help to their playoff ambitions?

Interesting that even just on our board, there's a range from "robbery for Habs" to "no good for Habs"...

I don’t see Eric Tulsky ever authorizing such a payment for a G…

Do you mean asset-wise or cap hit?

 

[Mrb1p]

Very fair... Both are quite soft, though I think Zegras showed good compete toughness as a junior player. Playing in a losing environment like the one Anaheim has been since he arrived might well have had an impact. While not a great sign, if he rekindles that compete level with a change of scenery, some team will end up laughing.

Necas has the kind of talent that is worth buying low on. Relationship with Canes/Brindamour is strained & he's up for RFA contract... Do they force a bridge or try to move him for right now help to their playoff ambitions?

Interesting that even just on our board, there's a range from "robbery for Habs" to "no good for Habs"...

I think the Habs win and Id do this trade, it's just not smart at all. Necas is worth the package, pretty much, Zegras is gravy. It's just not even close to what the Habs need. Maybe one of them, not both.

Anyway, I don't see how Carolina does this lol, they give up two of their top 6 forwards for what ? A worse forward that can play C and a goaltender ?

 

[Miller Time]

I think the Habs win and Id do this trade, it's just not smart at all. Necas is worth the package, pretty much, Zegras is gravy. It's just not even close to what the Habs need. Maybe one of them, not both.

Anyway, I don't see how Carolina does this lol, they give up two of their top 6 forwards for what ? A worse forward that can play C and a goaltender ?

Weird logic.

 

[salbutera]

Do you mean asset-wise or cap hit?

Both - Tulsky’s analytics approach is one of limit G AAV to < $3.5M including 3-yrs term or less, w minimal acquisition cost which Necas isn’t

Watching Canes vs LAK - Car is simply not a playoff style team. Not fit for war of attrition let alone weak G. Tulsky thinks team building like Dubas - not playoff style team builders

 

[Mrb1p]

Weird logic.

Whats weird, Id do the trade. I just see the problems with this. If I could buy a ferrari for 20 000 I'd do it, but it's not what I need, it's new brakes on my 2020 corolla that i need.

 

[McGees]

Struble may end up better than a 7th D,.....

Whoa...dude is already at THE VERY LEAST a 5-6 and in my books well on his way to a top 4.
No way is he a 7 in a year or 2.
He'd get traded before sitting around in the press box.

 

[rahad]

Guy is lucky the Jackeys kept him in the league despite being bad what is he mad about???

NHL player are starting to act like NBA player.

 

[HuGo Sham]

Whats weird, Id do the trade. I just see the problems with this. If I could buy a ferrari for 20 000 I'd do it, but it's not what I need, it's new brakes on my 2020 corolla that i need.

you have a corolla?

 

[Mrb1p]

you have a corolla?

Yup, nice huh?

Its brown/beige/grey. I blend in with the 70 years old ladies.

 

[morhilane]

NHL player are starting to act like NBA player.

NHL GM are giving contract like it is the NBA too thinking one or two star players is enough to win it all.

 

[Pat Riot]

Kindda knew to this board but why some of the treads are being locked out so quickly in the rumors tread board ?
I mean isn't a forum discussion ?
At least give it 2 days of inaction before locking no ?

Because some threads turn quickly into a pissing contest with no real value added to the discussion except some restless bickering. Before it become too disrespectful with personal attack the mod prefers to shut it down.

 

[Miller Time]

Both - Tulsky’s analytics approach is one of limit G AAV to < $3.5M including 3-yrs term or less, w minimal acquisition cost which Necas isn’t

Watching Canes vs LAK - Car is simply not a playoff style team. Not fit for war of attrition let alone weak G. Tulsky thinks team building like Dubas - not playoff style team builders

I see.

though keep in mind that dubas just signed Jarry this past offseason to long term 5M$+ deal... & the cap is going up a big margin this summer... Will be interesting to see what Carolina does with their G situation, which has been a weakness for some time now.

Whats weird, Id do the trade. I just see the problems with this. If I could buy a ferrari for 20 000 I'd do it, but it's not what I need, it's new brakes on my 2020 corolla that i need.

according to the rational and equivalencies you provided, you'd think it was "not smart" to buy a ferrari for 20K. That's weird in my books, but I do appreciate the corolla love

 

[Mrb1p]

I see.

though keep in mind that dubas just signed Jarry this past offseason to long term 5M$+ deal... & the cap is going up a big margin this summer... Will be interesting to see what Carolina does with their G situation, which has been a weakness for some time now.



according to the rational and equivalencies you provided, you'd think it was "not smart" to buy a ferrari for 20K. That's weird in my books, but I do appreciate the corolla love

Only way its smart is if I move the Ferrari for more money.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Yup, nice huh?

Its brown/beige/grey. I blend in with the 70 years old ladies.

I got a Chevy Equinox and a weird colour.

All I see are people who grew up with no TV and outhouses as the norm driving them.

 

[Miller Time]

Only way its smart is if I move the Ferrari for more money.

bingo

or put differently, it would be stupid not to take the ferrari, since it's worth more

(& to be clear, i don't think that example applies... Gibson/Monahan/Kovacevic/2nd vs Necas, Bunting and 2 cap dumps is relatively close value unless one values Gibson very little and/or Necas very highly... but the player value question is always "in the eye of the beholder").

 

[Draft]

To Carolina
Gibson, Monahan, Kovacevic

To Anaheim
Bunting, Strubble, Allen, DeAngelo
Cgy 1st, Pitt 2nd

To Mtl
Zegras, Necas, Raanta


Mtl "balances the ledger"... Shipping out 2 younger D's & 2 higher picks (plus Allen/Money) to add established offensive talent with positive upside potential.

Ducks rebalance cap commitments while adding 2 good picks and 2 players more aligned to identity Verbeek wants to build than Zegras. Allen helps stabilize net as Dostal slides into 1A spot.

Carolina gets starting goalie solution while adding C depth for PO run and a better fit for depth RD


Which team says no/needs more to say yes?

That's a lot of moving parts! I think I'd want one of Necas/Zegras but not both. It's a lot of skill but they're soft, polarizing players. While Necas might end up being more affordable/available, my preference would be Zegras as he's left handed and we aren't handcuffed into immediately negotiating his contract.

 

[Miller Time]

That's a lot of moving parts! I think I'd want one of Necas/Zegras but not both. It's a lot of skill but they're soft, polarizing players. While Necas might end up being more affordable/available, my preference would be Zegras as he's left handed and we aren't handcuffed into immediately negotiating his contract.

Fair, though I feel like Suzuki (who is a legit Selke candidate at this point), Dach & Slaf would provide enough buffer to the softish play of Z, Necas & CC.

Slaf Suzuki Necas
Zegras Dach CC

A top 6 like that could be absolutely dynamite over the next 3-5 yrs imo.

If we are going to target any established offensive talent upgrades in the near future, there will inevitably be some flaws we need to be willing to live with... Either that, or target more Dach/Newhook "potential" talents.

 

[HuGort]

What standing out by reading all of you guys is we will have a lot of options with our D pairs in the near future. A lot of talent, great mobility and size. And i agree with poster that said we need to be patient with Barron. I like his offense and mobility. And he still has 2 years to upgrade his defensive side.

That being said and i said it may times. Unless one of Mailloux or Barron develops into a solid two-way D, one of them will be traded as i think the D core lacks defensive reliability going forward. I think we can all agree this group will be extremely good offensively but defensively is another story.

What i think will happen is one of Mailloux/Barron will be traded in two years in a package for a top 6 forward.

Savard will be traded at next year trade deadline (or this year's but i doubt it) and Matheson the following summer (2025).

Kovacevic will also be traded by this time.

Harris i don't know. He seems like a good player to keep around as a stop gap for injuries as he can play both sides. He also can be traded if another team sees potential in him but all in all, he is not a crucial part of our future D core.

All in all :

Draft a forward with our top 10 pick this summer.

Summer 2025 : Dangle Matheson, 1 of Mailloux/Barron and some of our multiple picks in 2025 and 2026 drafts (3 X 1sts, 3 X 2nds and 3 X 3rds and their will be more) to go get a big piece for our top 6.

Summer 2025 : Sign or trade for a defensively solid RHD that can play 20 minutes to replace Savard's duties.

Lineup 2025-2026 (*rookie):

Slaf-Suzuki-Top 6 via trade/UFA
2024 top 10 pick*/Dach/Caufield
Newhook-C via trade/UFA-Anderson
Roy-Beck*-Gallagher

Guhle-Reinbacher*
Hutson*-RHD via trade/UFA
Xhekaj-Mailloux/Barron
Struble-Harris

Montambeault-Primeau

Kovacevic traded this deadline. Savard next and Matheson at 2026 deadline.

 

[salbutera]

What no KK proposals? Thought Habs were holding his development back? Awfully quiet in these parts the last 2-months as he’s resumed his 34pts pace…

 

[Habssince89]

Great to hear KH talk about bringing in more players a la Dach and Newhook. Gotta stack the contending window age wise

 

[McGees]

What no KK proposals? Thought Habs were holding his development back? Awfully quiet in these parts the last 2-months as he’s resumed his 34pts pace…

Kk for Dvorak + his medical bill.