HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

[MarkovsKnee]

Not sure if the information on Capfriendly is accurate but to buy him out at the end of the year it would be 6 years at 2.166M.

I'd consider that over the next 3 years of 6.5M plus the negative impact on the ice that he brings.

With one bitter pill year of $4.66m. There's no point in it this summer. Dvorak, Savard, Allen, Kovacevic, Armia, Evans, Wideman & Pezzetta all have their contracts ending after next season (summer of 2025).

Petry's retained salary ends after next season too.

Gallagher's buyout summer 2025 is 3 years at $1.75m & one year at $4.25m. It's definitely doable, and we can afford it.

Everything has been setup to do a reset summer of 2025. We have one more year.

 

[HomaridII]

With one bitter pill year of $4.66m. There's no point in it this summer. Dvorak, Savard, Allen, Kovacevic, Armia, Evans, Wideman & Pezzetta all have their contracts ending after next season (summer of 2025).

Petry's retained salary ends after next season too.

Gallagher's buyout summer 2025 is 3 years at $1.75m & one year at $4.25m. It's definitely doable, and we can afford it.

Everything has been setup to do a reset summer of 2025. We have one more year.

Plus who will be available this summer? Lebrun today wrote an article saying he expects Sam Reinhart to be extended in Florida at Tkachuk level contract (due to it being a no tax state) before the free agency period.

Elias Petersson is still RFA even if he wanted to leave Vancouver and why would he?

Guentzel is 29 heading to 30..

This summer literally nobody will be available now that Nylander is signed and then Reinhart gone etc..

 

[jaffy27]

With one bitter pill year of $4.66m. There's no point in it this summer. Dvorak, Savard, Allen, Kovacevic, Armia, Evans, Wideman & Pezzetta all have their contracts ending after next season (summer of 2025).

Petry's retained salary ends after next season too.

Gallagher's buyout summer 2025 is 3 years at $1.75m & one year at $4.25m. It's definitely doable, and we can afford it.

Everything has been setup to do a reset summer of 2025. We have one more year.

Sooooo……Draistl for 14m$ per X 7yrs?

 

[Keylock11]

I was reading the post to trade Nemec and i liked it.
The slovak together , Slaf, Mesar, Nemec
NJ get Hughes's buddy in CC

Would you guys do.

MTL: CC + Barron
for
NJ : Nemec + Holtz

 

[CapSpace]

I was reading the post to trade Nemec and i liked it.
The slovak together , Slaf, Mesar, Nemec
NJ get Hughes's buddy in CC

Would you guys do.

MTL: CC + Barron
for
NJ : Nemec + Holtz

Who will score goals here ? Pez ? Armia ?

 

[Keylock11]

Who will score goals here ? Pez ? Armia ?

Suzuki, Slaf, Newhook, Holtz, Dach , Roy, draft pick 2024

 

[Habs 4 Life]

Seems fair and not surprising

 

[Keylock11]

Seems fair and not surprising

gezz don't post this in the rumors HF board

 

[WeThreeKings]

I was reading the post to trade Nemec and i liked it.
The slovak together , Slaf, Mesar, Nemec
NJ get Hughes's buddy in CC

Would you guys do.

MTL: CC + Barron
for
NJ : Nemec + Holtz

No..

Reinbacher will likely be as good, but probably better than Nemec and we downgrade massively on the goal scoring front.

 

[habsfan44]

It’s not an exact science but the team’s development people can advise, it can be both observational and based on metrics, advanced stats, etc.

No one is saying to just give him away, either. If he can be converted to fill a glaring need and say Ghule proves he can play RD, it’s an avenue worth exploring at some point.

After Barron this is the depth chart at right defense - Reinbacher , Mailloux and Konyushkov followed by a short list of mediocrity . The teams development people should be advising patience with Justin Barron .

 

[Mrb1p]

I was reading the post to trade Nemec and i liked it.
The slovak together , Slaf, Mesar, Nemec
NJ get Hughes's buddy in CC

Would you guys do.

MTL: CC + Barron
for
NJ : Nemec + Holtz

The value is there, but it makes no sense depth chart wise. Nemec is also a LD, Guhle is the 1D and we have a lot of LD depth.

If the Habs draft Eiserman or Demidov and they can move a LD for offensive, I guess.. But I don't know.

CC isn't playing good right now, but I don't think we can afford to trade him away, we need to gamble on him being the 50g guy we thought he was.

 

[Keylock11]

The value is there, but it makes no sense depth chart wise. Nemec is also a LD, Guhle is the 1D and we have a lot of LD depth.

If the Habs draft Eiserman or Demidov and they can move a LD for offensive, I guess.. But I don't know.

CC isn't playing good right now, but I don't think we can afford to trade him away, we need to gamble on him being the 50g guy we thought he was.

Nemec is a Right hand RD

 

[Mrb1p]

Nemec is a Right hand RD

Im disgusted, why did i think he was a LD? Watched the kid play probably 2000 hours.

Anyway ya id do it if were in a position to draft Eiserman or Demidov.

 

[Keylock11]

Kindda knew to this board but why some of the treads are being locked out so quickly in the rumors tread board ?
I mean isn't a forum discussion ?
At least give it 2 days of inaction before locking no ?

 

[LaP]

I was reading the post to trade Nemec and i liked it.
The slovak together , Slaf, Mesar, Nemec
NJ get Hughes's buddy in CC

Would you guys do.

MTL: CC + Barron
for
NJ : Nemec + Holtz

Value wise it's a tricky trade but i think Mtl would be the winner. There's a non insignificant chance Holtz becomes as good as Caufield and i don't think there's any reality not even in la la land where Barron become as good as Nemec (and it's coming from someone who likes Barron). I'd do the trade personally.

Guhle - Nemec
Hutson - Reinbacher
Struble/Xhekaj - Mailloux

That's a scary defense potentially. One that would not need that strong of an offense to win. Holtz must not be underrated he's a good young player with still lot of potentials.

 

[Captain Mountain]

With one bitter pill year of $4.66m. There's no point in it this summer. Dvorak, Savard, Allen, Kovacevic, Armia, Evans, Wideman & Pezzetta all have their contracts ending after next season (summer of 2025).

Petry's retained salary ends after next season too.

Gallagher's buyout summer 2025 is 3 years at $1.75m & one year at $4.25m. It's definitely doable, and we can afford it.

Everything has been setup to do a reset summer of 2025. We have one more year.

I'd also point out that buying out guys generally doesn't make sense unless you actually need/want to use the cap space. Montreal has cap flexibility next off-season and even more the one after that.

In 2025, projecting a 92 mil cap (which may be generous, but isn't outside the realm of possibility given the HRR growth the last few years), Montreal will have 8 guy + Price and just over 38 mil in cap space + a potential 10.5 mil in LTIR room. Unless Montreal goes insane in free agency and trades and/or a number of guys take truly unprecedented steps forward from now until then, I don't see how Montreal gets to the point where buying out Gallagher makes sense. Maybe if Gallagher can't crack the lineup then, but I'm skeptical it would get to that point.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

I'd also point out that buying out guys generally doesn't make sense unless you actually need/want to use the cap space. Montreal has cap flexibility next off-season and even more the one after that.

In 2025, projecting a 92 mil cap (which may be generous, but isn't outside the realm of possibility given the HRR growth the last few years), Montreal will have 8 guy + Price and just over 38 mil in cap space + a potential 10.5 mil in LTIR room. Unless Montreal goes insane in free agency and trades and/or a number of guys take truly unprecedented steps forward from now until then, I don't see how Montreal gets to the point where buying out Gallagher makes sense. Maybe if Gallagher can't crack the lineup then, but I'm skeptical it would get to that point.

It's possible we can trade Price summer of 2025 after we pay his performance bonus. He'll only be owed $2m, but have a $10.5m cap hit. With a higher cap max, there will also be a higher floor. Teams like Arizona & Chicago might need help reaching that floor since neither team has huge contracts, and will likely have a lot of young players on ELC.

Summer of 2025 is when those decisions will be made, and HuGo starts building their team. No sense doing anything about Gallagher right now. We have another year of this mess to get through.

 

[Tim Wallach]

With one bitter pill year of $4.66m. There's no point in it this summer. Dvorak, Savard, Allen, Kovacevic, Armia, Evans, Wideman & Pezzetta all have their contracts ending after next season (summer of 2025).

Petry's retained salary ends after next season too.

Gallagher's buyout summer 2025 is 3 years at $1.75m & one year at $4.25m. It's definitely doable, and we can afford it.

Everything has been setup to do a reset summer of 2025. We have one more year.

Minor point, but isn't Wideman done after this year?

 

[LaP]

Basically what they asked for Lehkonen and Chiarot.

 

[Miller Time]

To Carolina
Gibson, Monahan, Kovacevic

To Anaheim
Bunting, Strubble, Allen, DeAngelo
Cgy 1st, Pitt 2nd

To Mtl
Zegras, Necas, Raanta


Mtl "balances the ledger"... Shipping out 2 younger D's & 2 higher picks (plus Allen/Money) to add established offensive talent with positive upside potential.

Ducks rebalance cap commitments while adding 2 good picks and 2 players more aligned to identity Verbeek wants to build than Zegras. Allen helps stabilize net as Dostal slides into 1A spot.

Carolina gets starting goalie solution while adding C depth for PO run and a better fit for depth RD


Which team says no/needs more to say yes?

 

[LaP]

To Carolina
Gibson, Monahan, Kovacevic

To Anaheim
Bunting, Strubble, Allen, DeAngelo
Cgy 1st, Pitt 2nd

To Mtl
Zegras, Necas, Raanta


Mtl "balances the ledger"... Shipping out 2 younger D's & 2 higher picks (plus Allen/Money) to add established offensive talent with positive upside potential.

Ducks rebalance cap commitments while adding 2 good picks and 2 players more aligned to identity Verbeek wants to build than Zegras. Allen helps stabilize net as Dostal slides into 1A spot.

Carolina gets starting goalie solution while adding C depth for PO run and a better fit for depth RD


Which team says no/needs more to say yes?

If we ignore the useless player the trade is that

Carolina
Gibson, Monahan

Anaheim
Strubble, 1st, 2nd

Mt
Zegras, Necas

I feel like we are getting lot for Monahan, a potentially late 1st and mid 2nd. Not 100% certain Anaheim gets more for Zegras though. His reputation must not be very good atm. Dentelle player who's struggling offensively for (unknown?) reasons. ROR did not went for much more than that the first time he was traded. Historically goalies have low value. Not sure Carolina is desperate enough to trade Necas and Bunting for an over the hill goalie and Monahan. Necas is struggling and due for a raise though not sure how greedy he is in the negotiation. Fell like we are doing highway robbery here. Caroline says no imo. Anaheim it depends on how the trade talks are going for Zegras and if bthey must trade him for reasons personally i'm not high on him and i'm not following the saga.

 

[Mrb1p]

To Carolina
Gibson, Monahan, Kovacevic

To Anaheim
Bunting, Strubble, Allen, DeAngelo
Cgy 1st, Pitt 2nd

To Mtl
Zegras, Necas, Raanta


Mtl "balances the ledger"... Shipping out 2 younger D's & 2 higher picks (plus Allen/Money) to add established offensive talent with positive upside potential.

Ducks rebalance cap commitments while adding 2 good picks and 2 players more aligned to identity Verbeek wants to build than Zegras. Allen helps stabilize net as Dostal slides into 1A spot.

Carolina gets starting goalie solution while adding C depth for PO run and a better fit for depth RD


Which team says no/needs more to say yes?

Dont want Zegras, and Necas is nice but Zegras and Necas is probably the softest duo of player you could find in the NHL. Not good for the Habs.

 

[Captain Mountain]

Basically what they asked for Lehkonen and Chiarot.

Slightly less. The ask for Chiarot was a 1st+ and the ask for Lehkonen was a 1st or equivalent prospect +. A 1st or a 2nd+ seems like market value for a rental like Monahan, so we'll see how things shake out.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

Minor point, but isn't Wideman done after this year?

Yeah, he is.

 

[salbutera]

To Carolina
Gibson, Monahan, Kovacevic

To Anaheim
Bunting, Strubble, Allen, DeAngelo
Cgy 1st, Pitt 2nd

To Mtl
Zegras, Necas, Raanta


Mtl "balances the ledger"... Shipping out 2 younger D's & 2 higher picks (plus Allen/Money) to add established offensive talent with positive upside potential.

Ducks rebalance cap commitments while adding 2 good picks and 2 players more aligned to identity Verbeek wants to build than Zegras. Allen helps stabilize net as Dostal slides into 1A spot.

Carolina gets starting goalie solution while adding C depth for PO run and a better fit for depth RD


Which team says no/needs more to say yes?

I don’t see Eric Tulsky ever authorizing such a payment for a G…