HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

[morhilane]

Oil looking at Monty and Primeau

https://x.com/nhl_watcher/status/1726638761931649456?s=46&t=zttr9gnCLJOyXqslYWoHgg

Since the rumors are the negotiation with Monty aren't going super well, he's going to be the "one". Even if it's not to the Oilers...

 

[Deus ex machina]

I think that's why the cost for Edmonton to get rid of the contract would be severe. I'd say should be loose to the value of three 1sts just to lose his contract. If they add a goalie back, they'd have to pay for that goalie as well. No GM is doing Holland a favour and they know Edmonton is desperate, despite them saying they won't make a desperate trade. Hint: they will.

Always one of their biggest issues. Getting players to stay in Edmonton. Agree with Monty being the target.

The buyout amount isn't huge, it's just long. That being said, Oil already have Hyman and don't need or want Gally plus he has a 6 team NTC so he'd have to want to go to Edmonton. I'd rather keep Gally for now and get as much in return from Oilers as I can and worry about him when he becomes an issue, which he hasn't been so far this year. Take the loot and don't worry about Gally until you have to worry about Gally.

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Like you said, it will cost them a lot to get rid of Campbell's contract. I don't think they have enough assets to pay that price.
And i don't think they'd be willing even if they had more assets.
Getting Gallagher back is a more realistic option IMO.

Even with Hyman, they could use more leadership, grit, experience and character.

A trade based on Monty and Gally for Campbell and Foegele would make sense for both teams.

But i'd be surprised if the Habs trade Monty, unless he's unreasonably greedy.

 

[DAChampion]

I want that Desharnais kid out of Edmonton and Deslauriers back, so we can goon it up all the way to the top3 pick next year.

Admittedly, Brad Staubitz was fun near the end of 2012.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

I want that Desharnais kid out of Edmonton and Deslauriers back, so we can goon it up all the way to the top3 pick next year.

That may well happen without the gooning up effort.

 

[Habs]

That may well happen without the gooning up effort.

may as well give the fans something to cheer for, right? At least go down swinging instead of with massive injuries and creampuffs. Imagine a year of newhook, Harris and the boys with zero physical play.... lol

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

I want that Desharnais kid out of Edmonton and Deslauriers back, so we can goon it up all the way to the top3 pick next year.

Desharnais can't fight.

Get Deslauriers and Lane MacDermid from Colorado.

 

[Habs]

Desharnais can't fight.

Get Deslauriers and Lane MacDermid from Colorado.

he threw around Arbs pretty good last year when he put his shoulder out, I thought. Is he not a good scrapper? I like MacDermid too, that's a good idea.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

may as well give the fans something to cheer for, right? At least go down swinging instead of with massive injuries and creampuffs. Imagine a year of newhook, Harris and the boys with zero physical play.... lol

No matter what, this year was going to be a long, and at often times, sad year. Most of the proposed traded discussed here are akin to shuffling the deck chairs on the Titanic. We have a few nice pieces already in place on the team, but until the cavalry in the form of our promising prospects arrive, we have no option but to be patient. We simply are not a competitive team. Yet.

 

[Habs]

No matter what, this year was going to be a long, and at often times, sad year. Most of the proposed traded discussed here are akin to shuffling the deck chairs on the Titanic. We have a few nice pieces already in place on the team, but until the cavalry in the form of our promising prospects arrive, we have no option but to be patient. We simply are not a competitive team. Yet.

I don't feel last year's draft helped us at all in the excitement department, I wonder what a bottom finish will present to us this year...

 

[26Mats]

No matter what, this year was going to be a long, and at often times, sad year. Most of the proposed traded discussed here are akin to shuffling the deck chairs on the Titanic. We have a few nice pieces already in place on the team, but until the cavalry in the form of our promising prospects arrive, we have no option but to be patient. We simply are not a competitive team. Yet.

We've wanted a true rebuild for a long time. It's here. Let's embrace it and be patient.

I think fans will feel a little more comfortable if we can find that elite forward or two.

 

[Beendair Donedat]

Desharnais can't fight.

Get Deslauriers and Lane MacDermid from Colorado.

Desharnais is just big, I agree not much of a fighter at all…

It’s Kurtis MacDermid, not Lane. But we don’t really need him as we have a bunch of young guys needing playing time on defense. Deslauriers should be repatriated at the first opportunity.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

he threw around Arbs pretty good last year when he put his shoulder out, I thought. Is he not a good scrapper? I like MacDermid too, that's a good idea.

I think that was more Arber throwing himself around with his bad shoulder, that was almost certainly already damaged, but they let him play and he's not going to back down from a fight.

Hockeyfights.com has Arber winning that fight despite getting injured.

He can't even really beat Watson, who's a human punching bag.

Macdermid is probably the heavyweight in the league now with Lucic almost certainly done.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Like you said, it will cost them a lot to get rid of Campbell's contract. I don't think they have enough assets to pay that price.
And i don't think they'd be willing even if they had more assets.
Getting Gallagher back is a more realistic option IMO.

Even with Hyman, they could use more leadership, grit, experience and character.

A trade based on Monty and Gally for Campbell and Foegele would make sense for both teams.

But i'd be surprised if the Habs trade Monty, unless he's unreasonably gready.

A trade might be based on those players but it would still require a 1st from Edmonton. Foegele is not enough to get Monty.

 

[Deus ex machina]

A trade might be based on those players but it would still require a 1st from Edmonton. Foegele is not enough to get Monty.

Of course. That's why i said based on. To make the money work first. Sweeteners to be added later.
I think Gally has more value than Campbell, even at 1.5M more per year.
Foegele is a cap dump but he can still contribute so not much negative value IMO.

 

[Miller Time]

Monahan for Kakko...

Wonder if that could have legs in January assuming Monahan stays healthy & Kakko continues to struggle?

Would you add, if so how much? Depending on what the actual offers are on the table for Monahan, a 1:1 might well be enough... But I'd add Minny's 3rd or perhaps even Avs 2nd to get it done.

With Chytil out, possibly very long term (& even if not, 1 hit away from another IR stretch), I would expect the Rangers to be aggressive in adding a C to bolster their depth for a cup run. Monahan checks the box almost perfectly for them (impact, versatility, cap hit).

Kakko is still struggling to establish himself, but the tools & ceiling remains... Worth taking a gamble on & fits our core age group perfectly (give us ALL the '19s lol)

 

[DAChampion]

Monahan for Kakko...

Too awesome to be believable.

 

[Sorinth]

Monahan for Kakko...

Wonder if that could have legs in January assuming Monahan stays healthy & Kakko continues to struggle?

Would you add, if so how much? Depending on what the actual offers are on the table for Monahan, a 1:1 might well be enough... But I'd add Minny's 3rd or perhaps even Avs 2nd to get it done.

With Chytil out, possibly very long term (& even if not, 1 hit away from another IR stretch), I would expect the Rangers to be aggressive in adding a C to bolster their depth for a cup run. Monahan checks the box almost perfectly for them (impact, versatility, cap hit).

Kakko is still struggling to establish himself, but the tools & ceiling remains... Worth taking a gamble on & fits our core age group perfectly (give us ALL the '19s lol)

I don't mind going after Kakko, but I would expect Monahan to bring in much more then that so if anything I would expect the Rangers to be adding to make the deal happen not us.

 

[McGees]

I don't mind going after Kakko, but I would expect Monahan to bring in much more then that so if anything I would expect the Rangers to be adding to make the deal happen not us.

MUCH more than a recent #2 overall pick?
I think your hopes are a little too high, even if Kakko hasn't put it all together yet.
I'd take him over a late 1st.

 

[BaseballCoach]

the problem with that 2024 1st is that we likely make it a late pick if we give them the assets they need to climb out of the cellar.

Make it bottom 27 protected, annually!! If they are not drafting in the top 5, the pick slides to the next year, and the next year, and the next year, etc. Eventually McDavid will retire and we will get a high pick.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Kakko would be nice, except.

You have only 6 top 6 forward spots and 1 top pp.

Can't fit all these projects and whatnot everywhere.

Habs should look at Will Cuylle, someone that should already be a hab, but I digress.

 

[Runner77]

You don't extended a player to a multi-year contract and trade him the next week. The scenario you are presenting is a sign&trade and Monty would have to accept to go to Edmonton.

True enough but without term, your return from EDM will be impacted.

 

[Hannibal]

Monahan for Cuylle. Yea

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Of course. That's why i said based on. To make the money work first. Sweeteners to be added later.
I think Gally has more value than Campbell, even at 1.5M more per year.
Foegele is a cap dump but he can still contribute so not much negative value IMO.

This would be a very good move if they could get a 1st or a 2nd and a prospect like Holloway. They would still have a retained spot to use to take on cap for a draft pick and a trade chip in Monahan if he stays healthy.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

True enough but without term, your return from EDM will be impacted.

They could be trying to do a sign and trade with Monty. Maybe there isn't a deal yet because Monty doesn't want to go to Edmonton.

 

[Sorinth]

MUCH more than a recent #2 overall pick?
I think your hopes are a little too high, even if Kakko hasn't put it all together yet.
I'd take him over a late 1st.

It's been 5 years since the draft so I would hardly call him a recent pick. And for reference Yakupov was traded 4 years after being drafted and got a conditional 3rd and a nobody prospect. If Kakko continues to struggle as the OP suggested then there's no way he has the value of a late 1st. If he turns it around and gets back to his 0.5ppg then you can maybe argue he'd be worth a late 1st.