HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

[EveryDay]

Zegras in play

https://x.com/pennypacker_h/status/1744772038240399756?s=46&t=zttr9gnCLJOyXqslYWoHgg

I really like him but since the Ducks are heavy on D, who could we trade at forward position to make that trade happen?

 

[salbutera]

Reliable media source said it was. Cant remember who exactly, but when it came out, there was no "second guessing" the source of the info.

Flyers beat writer

 

[Heffyhoof]

The Flyers would've been able to sign him for this season though. Taking that story at face value, it looks like the kid cut off his nose to spite his face here. I suppose he'll still sign with the Ducks at the end of this season so he'll still have the year burnt. Get's what he wants, how he wants it, and both teams have to just suck it up and accommodate the child.

 

[Sterling Archer]

I really like him but since the Ducks are heavy on D, who could we trade at forward position to make that trade happen?

Likely want another forward to replace him. Habs weaknthere but maybe a Roy + type trade?

 

[morhilane]

Zegras in play

https://x.com/pennypacker_h/status/1744772038240399756?s=46&t=zttr9gnCLJOyXqslYWoHgg

The amount of stupid penalties he has taken the last two seasons are enough to skip on him. He doesn't fight, but keep getting minors and misconducts for very poor on ice behavior.

 

[Habs 4 Life]

Likely want another forward to replace him. Habs weaknthere but maybe a Roy + type trade?

No chance they move Roy IMO, he is the best francophone prospect we have

 

[sampollock]

Gustav Lindström
so why do we keep getting prospects in these deals and then we dump them?? so are we winning these deals or not?

 

[Captain Mountain]

Sportsnet has their first trade candidate list. FWIW, unlike other lists (TSN, Athletic, Daily Faceoff) it doesn't look any insiders had a role in creating this list, just beat writers and their resident scout.

Sportsnet's 25 NHL trade candidates to watch two months from the deadline

With less than two months until the NHL's March 8 trade deadline, Sportsnet insiders present a list of 25 trade candidates to watch this season.

www.sportsnet.ca

Habs:

Jake Allen: In a goaltending market somewhat saturated with either unproven or overrated talent, Allen offers a reliability factor most others don’t; a safety net for any contender currently dealing with injuries or depending on a questionable tandem or a young goaltender. And with the Montreal Canadiens giving Samuel Montembeault a three-year, $9.45-million extension earlier this season and feeling more and more comfortable with how the young Cayden Primeau is proving his NHL viability, they’re certainly open to moving Allen. They’ve set their price, it’s not believed to be too exorbitant, and it certainly factors in that Allen has a seven-team no-trade clause and a salary that counts for $3.85 million against the cap through the end of next season. With the amount of need out there, it’s unlikely any of that will dull interest from more than one suitor in the 33-year-old’s services. The only thing that might would be a dramatic dropoff in play from the goaltender between now and the deadline.

Sean Monahan: The 29-year-old came to the Canadiens along with a first-round pick, and they likely won’t hesitate to trade him away if they’re able to redeem another one ahead of March 8. Granted, the temptation to sign Monahan might only grow stronger as his role, and his value to the Canadiens, increases in Christian Dvorak’s long-term absence. But it’s unlikely that temptation will be as strong as the one market forces will surely produce for a centre with a penchant for elevating his game when times require him to. The secondary scoring Monahan provides is as coveted as the versatility he offers—he plays all three forward positions, and plays on the power play and penalty kill—and, with over 700 games of NHL experience, there will be several teams bidding on those elements. That the Canadiens can even offer to retain money on his prorated $2-million cap hit makes him one of the most appealing rentals available.

Tanner Pearson: It happens every year—former Stanley Cup winners moving to contenders just to provide much-needed depth and experience. The Canadiens took Pearson, along with a third-round pick, for trading Casey DeSmith to the Vancouver Canucks, and they did it because they knew he fit that bill. They had the room to give him a platform to prove last year’s hand injury hadn’t diminished his ability to deliver. This year’s hand injury almost got in the way, but he’s slated to return to Montreal’s lineup with ample time to show he can still do what suitors would want him to. Just as he had through the 27 games he played before suffering it. The 31-year-old has proven reliable in all situations, and he shouldn’t cost too much to acquire. The price will factor in that his expiring $3.25-million salary is slightly high for what he offers.

David Savard: Another Stanley Cup winner who will sacrifice anything and everything to get the job done. Savard is a stabilizer, a 6-foot-1, 234-pound defensive defenceman in possession of unheralded offensive ability. The big right hander is the exact type of player teams always want for the playoffs, and he’ll be particularly attractive to any team less inclined to make big sacrifices for just one run. The 33-year-old has one more season after this one at $3.5 million against the cap, which is hardly prohibitive for a player who excels between 18-20 minutes per game and has the ability to help a team through two runs. Sure, the Canadiens love the experience, leadership and effort Savard brings to their group. But their group is overflowing with young talent. They don’t have to rush him out the door, but the time for them to capitalize on Savard’s value is likely now or, more specifically, after a couple of teams miss out on Calgary’s Chris Tanev.

 

[morhilane]

Gustav Lindström
so why do we keep getting prospects in these deals and then we dump them?? so are we winning these deals or not?

Lindstrom was the contract swap (Detroit is at 47 contracts, they probably didn't want to go to 48).

Pundits said that Habs did offer a contract to Gurianov on July 1st (couldn't offer him his QO before that, way too high). He preferred to sign with Nashville. Not a big lost.

Expect to lose more "prospects" like that over the next few seasons. The Habs just have too many prospects, and the ones who can't make the roster won't all be traded...

 

[Habs 4 Life]

Sportsnet has their first trade candidate list. FWIW, unlike other lists (TSN, Athletic, Daily Faceoff) it doesn't look any insiders had a role in creating this list, just beat writers and their resident scout.

Sportsnet's 25 NHL trade candidates to watch two months from the deadline

With less than two months until the NHL's March 8 trade deadline, Sportsnet insiders present a list of 25 trade candidates to watch this season.

www.sportsnet.ca

Habs:

For me, David Savard is the one that intrigues me the most. I think he can return something very good considering he is still under contract for next season at a decent price. I really hope a team is desperate, something like LA got for Jake Muzzin ...

 

[Mrb1p]

Zegras isn't prime offensive talent. I love his skill level, but his defensive game/compete/softness is Drouin-like.

Well yes, hes prine offensive talent, if you dont consider the sum of his parts hes basically elite at every single offensive tool.

You got that right though, hes vanilla as f*** and has a lot of the same problem as Drouin, but does not have the benefit of like 3 wrist injuries to excuse his patheticness.

In 2019 I was very, very critical of his play and I called him vanilla so many times. Of course with a guy like Z, the gamble is that if he hits, hes a f***ing star. Looks like hes not gonna hit. If he wants to be anything more than a 2nd liner he'll have to reinvent himself, like Mittlestatd did.

Zegras in play

https://x.com/pennypacker_h/status/1744772038240399756?s=46&t=zttr9gnCLJOyXqslYWoHgg

I hope not, honestly. He would absolutely not fit on this team.

 

[The Great Weal]

Well yes, hes prine offensive talent, if you dont consider the sum of his parts hes basically elite at every single offensive tool.

A prime offensive talent to me is someone like Marner who's also soft as f*** but makes up for it with his defensive play and vastly superior offensive tools.

 

[Mrb1p]

A prime offensive talent to me is someone like Marner who's also soft as f*** but makes up for it with his defensive play and vastly superior offensive tools.

Overall their packages are very similar though. I guess the IQ is the difference, but also Marner is an excellent skater.

 

[McGees]

I'd love trade Savard now...a guy like that could fall off the cliff and be worthless in a year.
Do it now.

 

[Captain Mountain]

Zegras isn't prime offensive talent. I love his skill level, but his defensive game/compete/softness is Drouin-like.

Its terrible right now. It can improve to a certain degree.

Hughes loves him his 2019 NHL draft centers who may not be centers in the NHL. he can stick Zegras with Dach and Newhook on a line hope one of them stays healthy and sticks at center (probably Dach).

IDK what Zegras would cost, but the Drouin comparisons kind of miss that the biggest issues with that trade was what Montreal gave up and what it was expected Drouin would become. Now, I don't think he'll be moved for cheap which is why I'd stay away, but the cost is question mark. I think at this point most people envision Zegras's upside as being an offense first top-6 winger and not a true top line guy.

 

[Mrb1p]

I'd love trade Savard now...a guy like that could fall off the cliff and be worthless in a year.
Do it now.

At best hes worth what? A very low 2nd? Probably less. Hes a good vet, a QC player, and hes actually hilarious when carries the puck in the Ozone.

Matheson is the guy youre thinking about. Hes been terrible defensively his whole career, hes terrible this year, but hes never produced like he does. Hes bound to regress in a massive way, Id say hes at the very least worth a late first right now, when he regresses hes gonna go back to his hold value, which is rougly around a late 2nd or a 3rd.

 

[McGees]

At best hes worth what? A very low 2nd? Probably less. Hes a good vet, a QC player, and hes actually hilarious when carries the puck in the Ozone.

Matheson is the guy youre thinking about. Hes been terrible defensively his whole career, hes terrible this year, but hes never produced like he does. Hes bound to regress in a massive way, Id say hes at the very least worth a late first right now, when he regresses hes gonna go back to his hold value, which is rougly around a late 2nd or a 3rd.

I think Savard can still get a late 1st.
I'd ditch Matheson as soon as a decent offer came in. He causes as many goals as he helps create. He looked much better last year but back to his old ways this year.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

Zegras would make a lot of sense for the habs
He's young, a center, and highly talented.

I definitely would not trade Guhle for him though.

Maybe in the offseason something like habs 1st round pick (10th overall) + Barron/Mesar/Farrell

 

[Mrb1p]

Zegras would make a lot of sense for the habs
He's young, a center, and highly talented.

I definitely would not trade Guhle for him though.

Maybe in the offseason something like habs 1st round pick (10th overall) + Barron/Mesar/Farrell

10th overall? Are yoy crazy?

 

[TheBuriedHab]

Zegras is nothing but a tiktok player.

Why do you think Verbeek didn't want to give him a big deal and now wants to trade him while he has some value left. Hopefully we aren't the schmucks giving up assets for him.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

10th overall? Are yoy crazy?

It would take at least that for sure.
Drysdale returned Gauthier who was the 5th overall from a year ago.
Dach returned the 13th overall pick.

Zegras is better than both of them.

 

[Mrb1p]

It would take at least that for sure.
Drysdale returned Gauthier who was the 5th overall from a year ago.
Dach returned the 13th overall pick.

Zegras is better than both of them.

ZEGRAS IS BETTER THAN DACH? Marmelade.

 

[The Great Weal]

Its terrible right now. It can improve to a certain degree.

Hughes loves him his 2019 NHL draft centers who may not be centers in the NHL. he can stick Zegras with Dach and Newhook on a line hope one of them stays healthy and sticks at center (probably Dach).

IDK what Zegras would cost, but the Drouin comparisons kind of miss that the biggest issues with that trade was what Montreal gave up and what it was expected Drouin would become. Now, I don't think he'll be moved for cheap which is why I'd stay away, but the cost is question mark. I think at this point most people envision Zegras's upside as being an offense first top-6 winger and not a true top line guy.

Not to mention that I do think that playing with his best friend Cole and under a coach who he was praising for a while might give him the motivation to at least be adequate in that department since his skill level isn't the issue.

The cost won't be cheap but I can't give in due to his flaws. Not really sure what the Ducks would want either since they are loaded with dmen prospects and will also have a top 5 pick this year. Most we can really offer would be Barron+Newhook+ but Ducks likely want a hockey trade and grab a forward that suits their style better than Zegras in a 1 for 1 trade.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

ZEGRAS IS BETTER THAN DACH? Marmelade.

There's no debate about that. Dach never scored more than 26 pts when he was acquired. Zegras already has multiple 60+pts seasons.

 

[JoelWarlord]

There's no debate about that. Dach never scored more than 26 pts when he was acquired. Zegras already has multiple 60+pts seasons.

Would you trade Caufield for Troy Terry? He has two 60P seasons and a 30G season, Caufield's career high is 26G and 43P....