HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

[RationalExpectations]

There is a reason the Hawks got rid of Dach, did we care?

He has played 50 games over two years, has never scored more than 38 points a season high on Dach but Hawks had some good reasons to get rid of him ;

 

[Canadiens98]

There is a reason the Hawks got rid of Dach, did we care?

2 different situations tbf.

The Hawks were doing all they could to secure themselves a better chance at drafting Bedard while the Ducks should be looking at improving now

 

[Adam Michaels]

Tanking doesn't necessarily mean No1. I mean, let say you finished 5th from last over the last 5 drafts, well it means you could have had in prospects guys like Seider, Sanderson, Edvinsson, Gauthier and Michkov or Leonard.

If that's not helping a team insanely....I don't know what is.

5 drafts picking that high is too long for me. You're not exactly helping your team if you're picking Top-5 five years in a row. Yes, you're picking some of the more talented players in each draft. But you can't snap your fingers and all of a sudden you're competitive in year 6 or 7. You need to progress from year to year. And that means you pick 2nd one year, 5th the next, 10th the year after that, 14th after that, and so forth.

Yes come around the draft, you're excited because you have the chance to draft a real good player. But at some point, the team on the ice has to show results. And being a perpetual bottom feeder year after year is place you risk falling into picking high for 5-6 years.

 

[morhilane]

We'll see. I think we could go 1 or two LD's playing RD next season:

Matheson Reinbacher/Struble
Guhle Barron
Xhekaj Harris/Struble

Something has to give. Even if Reinbacher (and Hutson) aren't ready, we have 6 D that need to play, plus Savard, Kovacevic, and Lindstrom. Because those 3 aren't likely part of the future, I would think they'd be traded first, regardless of the fact that they're RD's. But maybe Hughes sacrifices a good LD piece to try to get a good young top six forward. We'll see...

Last night at L'Antichambre, Hughes was saying that Struble's performance is giving him more options. Good options.

But if any trade happens with the LDs, it's probably near the draft and not the deadline.

That would be the equivalent of an Habs prospects refusing to talk to Lecavalier (LeClair has a similar role in the Flyers organisation).

 

[sampollock]

Trading Guhle for Zegras is simply Sergachev for Drouin all over again, without the French issue. Or you could go further back and say McDonagh for Gomez. Or even further back and say Chelios for Savard.

The only guy we have that looks guaranteed to be a future top pair defenseman is Kaiden Guhle. He’s one of the top skaters in the league already, and he’s becoming a physical threat/presence as well now that he’s starting to fill out…. MSL plays him in overtime where he always looks to be a scoring threat and his elite speed allows him to cover most of the ice. He kills penalties, he should be on the powerplay too but that’s run by an inept coach. Bottom line is you win championships with players like Guhle. He’s all steak while a guy like Zegras is more sizzle.

For me, the Habs core on defense moving forward is comprised of:

Guhle - Reinbacher
Struble - Barron
Xhekaj - Mailloux
*

Or some combination thereof. I see this as a very talented, mobile and physical group that will make like very difficult for the opposing forwards.

* wildcard is Lane Hutson. I don’t know how his game will transform in the NHL as he could be dominant, or he may not be able to handle the physicality. Time will have to tell on that front.

so true

your point is? He has the same offensive numbers as Suzuki in the past 2 seasons and is 2 years younger

point is. better be sure he is not a flake. if he has attitude 5.7 is lots

 

[Sterling Archer]

I don’t think it would cost Guhle for Zegras. Zegras already on the outs and everyone knows it’s a matter of time and he’s not well liked by the Ducks. Now that they have Gauthier, Carlsson etc., Zegras’ days are numbered IMO. I can see him being moved at the draft.

 

[Adam Michaels]

Absolute spoiled brat. Disrespecting legends like John LeClair.

Turning down a convo with Leclair is crazy

It's one thing to not want to sign with the team that drafted you, it's not uncommon, but to ignore them and not want to talk to them at all, whether it be Briere or in this case, two of Flyers' hockey ops people who traveled to come see you and meet with you , is pretty disrespectful.

 

[sampollock]

Zegras is a thought. Just don't want a attitude or lack of effort guy. JD was enough for me and lost a top D for him

 

[The Great Weal]

There is a reason the Hawks got rid of Dach, did we care?

Dach was traded because he couldn't produce at an adequate level. Zegras will get traded since he sucks defensively, has no compete, is soft, and can't play center. Very different circumstances.

 

[sampollock]

Dach was traded because he couldn't produce at an adequate level. Zegras will get traded since he sucks defensively, has no compete, is soft, and can't play center. Very different circumstances.

and 5.7 million... which makes this a nervous trade

 

[Kosseca]

I just don't think you want to lock in Zegras and Suzuki as your top 6 centers down the line when competing for a cup.

I'm intrigued by Zegras and I'm curious to see how he would fit in MTL lineup. The CC connection can't be ignored, but that a weak duo on defensive side of things. That said, I dont see Zegras as a C and maybe pared with Dach or Suzuki (a more responsible C) this could work.

Regardless. I still dont see a fit here for a deal.

 

[HomaridII]

It's one thing to not want to sign with the team that drafted you, it's not uncommon, but to ignore them and not want to talk to them at all, whether it be Briere or in this case, two of Flyers' hockey ops people who traveled to come see you and meet with you , is pretty disrespectful.

Patrick Sharp and John Leclar and Daniel Briere he turned down, and not only him, everyone from his team did too.

Doesn't make him look very good to be honest.

 

[bcv]

It's one thing to not want to sign with the team that drafted you, it's not uncommon, but to ignore them and not want to talk to them at all, whether it be Briere or in this case, two of Flyers' hockey ops people who traveled to come see you and meet with you , is pretty disrespectful.

Shows what type of person he is, someone who is not able to meet the consequences of their actions. You can't even have a talk with them to let them know why it's not working for you? That doesn't scream winner to me, quite the contrary. Loser mentality if I can say so.

 

[417]

I think you are reading into these quotes too closely and assuming ppl mean that's the only thing to do. Those quotes don't say to ignore drafting better and developing better or making good trades. They just mention you need to get a superstar tank pick to win, doesn't mean rest of the steps can be ignored.

Well i'm just responding to the quote, I don't want to make his argument for him.

Without Ovechkin, Stamkos/Hedman, Kane/Toews, Crosby/Malkin, etc those teams who made all those great supporting moves don't win cups. It's also unlikely these teams don't have cups without all the supporting moves they made to help these future hall of fame players.

Agreed. So why the focus on just one aspect of team building.

Especially when juxtaposed against what the Knights or Bruins or Blues have done...and even to a certain degree, probably less so, the Avalanche have done.

 

[SwiftyHab]

I'm intrigued by Zegras and I'm curious to see how he would fit in MTL lineup. The CC connection can't be ignored, but that a weak duo on defensive side of things. That said, I dont see Zegras as a C and maybe pared with Dach or Suzuki (a more responsible C) this could work.

Regardless. I still dont see a fit here for a deal.

Im just thinking of the TSN highlights. I want to see the Michigan at the Bell centre but us doing it! Is that selfish?

 

[Adam Michaels]

Patrick Sharp and John Leclar and Daniel Briere he turned down, and not only him, everyone from his team did too.

Doesn't make him look very good to be honest.

Doesn't want to talk to these guys

But wants to talk to this guy?

 

[417]

But that's obviously not what I said too. You don't need solely to tank as it's also been proven. But just that without it, it's much tougher. And when you do tank, you cannot make mistakes in who you pick either.

Well the entire premise of the conversation you were having revolved around the tanking aspect, so in my defense, I was just responding to what you were writing.

I don't actually believe in tanking per se, so the entire idea is odd to me. The system doesn't allow for targeting tanking and few players make it worth it to even try.

I really don't believe that a single player can turn around the fortunes of a franchise...actually, let me rephrase that, I think that every once in awhile there are individual players who can turn an entire franchise around. But for the most part, it's rare.

 

[Sterling Archer]

Maybe Zegras can find a pee buddy on the Habs.

 

[417]

But you cannot think that I don't know this. If so, you think that I'm actually not watching hockey and think that Ottawa, Buffalo, Columbus and even the Oilers are actually on top of the league. I do know that there are quite a few other things to have in place. Everything you said is true.

Just saying that IN GENERAL, most teams that have won has that common denominator that they have top end players. But yes, hockey isn't solely a one criteria type of thing.

But you can look at every winner and find some commonality, whether it's tanking for a franchise player or building your defense core a certain way, or a certain kind of coach, etc.

But fair enough for the rest of your post, I certainly don't or didn't think that you didn't know this, which was why your comments kind of took me by surprise...but probably should have given you the benefit of the doubt.

 

[HomaridII]

Maybe Zegras can find a pee buddy on the Habs. View attachment 799443

lol he already has one here. There is no doubt there who it will be. Those 2 are inseparable in the summer.

 

[The Great Weal]

Would be nice to get our 2nd back. If the Jets interest in Monahan is true, we could get it back.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

There is a reason the Hawks got rid of Dach, did we care?

The only legit reason was if they thought Dach was a glass body. And it appears the Dach family are glass bodies.

 

[26Mats]

I just don't think you want to lock in Zegras and Suzuki as your top 6 centers down the line when competing for a cup.

I think Zegras will play wing on a contending team. I wouldn't see him beating out Suzuki or Dach as a top six C at any rate.

 

[Habs 4 Life]

Would be nice to get our 2nd back. If the Jets interest in Monahan is true, we could get it back.

Would be a smart ask from KH

 

[CDN24]

Would be nice to get our 2nd back. If the Jets interest in Monahan is true, we could get it back.

It is a better 2nd than most other contenders have available