HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

[Destopcorner]

I think Laine needs the magic touch of MSL tender relatability and concepts.

Healthy scratch tonight. I think he's the kind of guy who would thrive in a hockey market once he realize he could be a god.

He'd be our most skilled player since Kovalev, he can do evetything. Just imagibe him converting next to a motivated Dacher. Monster duo.

8.4m contract expires in 2026. Serious buy low elite candidate if the price makes sense.

 

[ReHabs]

I would be ok taking back Campbell if Oilers take Anderson. Anderson & Allen ($1.6m retained) for Campbell & Foegele is an equal cap swap. Campbell & Anderson have equal length contracts too.

Foegele is UFA this year while Allen has another year on his contract, so hardly long term. We might be able to trade Foegele at deadline although we will not be able to retain on anyone.

Maybe we could resurrect Campbell. If not, he gives us a veteran guy in Laval while we have a young team there. We save a bit of cap with him in AHL too.

Foegele is a 4th liner, so hopefully moving Anderson allows more offensive opportunities for Slafkovsky & Ylonen.

That's brutal value for the Habs from where I'm sitting. What do we get out of this swap?

 

[Mrb1p]

I would be ok taking back Campbell if Oilers take Anderson. Anderson & Allen ($1.6m retained) for Campbell & Foegele is an equal cap swap. Campbell & Anderson have equal length contracts too.

Foegele is UFA this year while Allen has another year on his contract, so hardly long term. We might be able to trade Foegele at deadline although we will not be able to retain on anyone.

Maybe we could resurrect Campbell. If not, he gives us a veteran guy in Laval while we have a young team there. We save a bit of cap with him in AHL too.

Foegele is a 4th liner, so hopefully moving Anderson allows more offensive opportunities for Slafkovsky & Ylonen.

Why are we saving Edmonton and not getting anything of value in return ?

 

[MarkovsKnee]

That's brutal value for the Habs from where I'm sitting. What do we get out of this swap?

Why are we saving Edmonton and not getting anything of value in return ?

It's the basis for a cap equal trade & is not intended to be a final trade proposal. Canadiens would obviously want draft picks back (a 1st [top 10 protected], or a 2nd, or both), and a good prospect either Holloway or Borgeault.

 

[Mrb1p]

It's the basis for a cap equal trade & is not intended to be a final trade proposal. Canadiens would obviously want draft picks back (a 1st [top 10 protected], or a 2nd, or both), and a good prospect either Holloway or Borgeault.

Fair. Im unsure if I'd want any of the players Edmonton could send. Holloway and Bourgeault are both uninteresting. I guess their 1st rounder or 2nd could be taken... But I think Id rather take my chance with an Anderson future than a Campbell one lol.

 

[ReHabs]

It's the basis for a cap equal trade & is not intended to be a final trade proposal. Canadiens would obviously want draft picks back (a 1st [top 10 protected], or a 2nd, or both), and a good prospect either Holloway or Borgeault.

Oh I see. Well, let's see your final proposal. I workshopped a few scenarios with EDM and couldn't make it work. What they need we do not have to spare and what we can spare nobody wants, not even EDM. The best asset we have is Cap Space in order to absorb crappy contracts. I'd swap Ceci + 2nd with Harris, for instance, to give them some cap room. Stuff like that.

But I think Id rather take my chance with an Anderson future than a Campbell one lol.

Likewise, I'm super down on Kent the Genius for not selling Anderson when he had the chance but Campbell is definitely negative value whereas Anderson is... likely not negative value.

 

[nhlfan9191]

Why are we saving Edmonton and not getting anything of value in return ?

I just don’t see any scenario in which we take Campbell’s contract. It’s way too long and he’s just a wasted roster spot for a position that you already don’t get many. Edmonton is going to have to buy him out.

 

[Mrb1p]

I think there's something that could be done around Kovaceiv and Foegele. Clears them 2M off the cap, gives them a good RD they can use and Foegele is off the books next year.

Do they want to send us a 2nd rounder for this ?

 

[MarkovsKnee]

Fair. Im unsure if I'd want any of the players Edmonton could send. Holloway and Bourgeault are both uninteresting. I guess their 1st rounder or 2nd could be taken... But I think Id rather take my chance with an Anderson future than a Campbell one lol.

Yeah, Oilers prospect system is complete trash. I would take Holloway. I still think he can be a top 9 NHLer. I also liked Beau Akey in 2023 draft, so I'd take him too. He's a RD.

After that top 10 protected 1st in 2024, a 2026 2nd & 2025 3rd.

 

[SwiftyHab]

Newhook is fine. He didn't produce when he was at C because he's not a top 6 C. He can be a spot duty 3C but in general he's a winger and he's produced fine on the wing in context of how thin our team is up front and how much we're lacking that Shaw/prime Gallagher/Lehkonen type of forechecker to help round out rush offence.

I don't really see the point of comparing him to other "33pt complimentary forwards" when A) he's currently on pace for 45 even with a really slow stretch where he was forced to play C until Dvorak returned, and B) he's still just 22 and has upside compared to signing eg. Gustav Nyquist.

What’s your take on Newhook’s IQ? He just looks like a North-South player with speed to burn but not very creative with the puck. Hopefully, he can be more than that. I’d hope he can earn his way to a regular top 6 role but might settle into being a middle-sixer.

I think he showed his IQ when he was playing center and his line went dead. Overall he has great speed, solid puck carrier and good puck possession skills. Not much of a playmaker or shooter. I see his as more of a support/complimentary player who can play with better players and not be an anchor on the line but not lead a line either.

I think he tops out as a 50 point player in his best years and averages out as a 40+ point guy if he plays in the top 9. Hope I’m wrong and he finds another gear and makes me look like the amateur I am but I haven’t seen any signs of it. Solid player but not star quality IMO.

IMO Newhook is showing that at best, he’s a complimentary player. The price we paid for him is a late first and an early 2nd. Yes those usually don’t pan out and he’s a bonafide NHL player, but we could’ve also tried to packaged those picks together with someone else for an actual or potential game breaker which is what we need because we have a lot of these complimentary NHL caliber players.

i do think this group is a bit more risk averse when it comes to getting those players.

 

[Hacketts]

Healthy scratch tonight. I think he's the kind of guy who would thrive in a hockey market once he realize he could be a god.

He'd be our most skilled player since Kovalev, he can do evetything. Just imagibe him converting next to a motivated Dacher. Monster duo.

8.4m contract expires in 2026. Serious buy low elite candidate if the price makes sense.

oui

 

[Pat Riot]

Healthy scratch tonight. I think he's the kind of guy who would thrive in a hockey market once he realize he could be a god.

He'd be our most skilled player since Kovalev, he can do evetything. Just imagibe him converting next to a motivated Dacher. Monster duo.

8.4m contract expires in 2026. Serious buy low elite candidate if the price makes sense.

A first line of Laine-Suzuki-Caufield have some potential thats for sure. If hes available and want to play for the habs we should prepare a good offer for colombus. Dont know what they are looking for but we do have some interesting pieces.

 

[The Great Weal]

Laine doesn't want to deal with the media and they will be all over him for mailing it in often. Not to mention that I doubt they will trade him, this scratching was probably just a wakeup call and he just came back from injury.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Laine doesn't want to deal with the media and they will be all over him for mailing it in often. Not to mention that I doubt they will trade him, this scratching was probably just a wakeup call and he just came back from injury.

Does the media go after plyers? Have they gone after Armia, Dadonov, Anderson etc? Obviously they would never attack a French player. Have they been asking MSL why Anderson is on a scoring line?

 

[Mrb1p]

Does the media go after plyers? Have they gone after Armia, Dadonov, Anderson etc? Obviously they would never attack a French player. Have they been asking MSL why Anderson is on a scoring line?

The media go after who the organization want them to go after. The character assassination of Kotkaniemi is a good example.

 

[Scriptor]

Is Laine currently worth 8.7M? What do you give for a guy you can't extend and who can sign anywhere in 2 years after this one with you receiving nothing in compensation?

I can't believe hesjust 25 still, though.

Laine is not a play bib, bigger player at 6'5", 210 lbs. He'd needtoplay on another line with Dach, IMO, to get the most out of him.

That would leave a pure scorer for the Suzuki line in Caufield and a pure scorer for the Dach line in Laine.

Roy would need to play on one of those lines and we'd still be missing another top-6 winger, unless we re-sign Monahan?

Caufield - Suzuki - Monahan
Laine - Dach - Roy
RHP - Newhook - Anderson
Heineman - Beck - Gallagher
Pezzetta, Ylonen

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Laine is a hard no for me.

Sh***y attitude, lousy work ethic and poor conditioning.....not exactly the culture building addition that HuGo would want to target.

 

[Scriptor]

Laine is a hard no for me.

Sh***y attitude, lousy work ethic and poor conditioning.....not exactly the culture building addition that HuGo would want to target.

Lots of red flags with Laine, for sure, but the lad is still only 25 and, perhaps, he hasn't met the right destination yet. As much as Columbus might be a quaint destination, it might not stimulate one as much as Montreal?

I don't think Laine has been playing like an 8.7M player any of late. Forme, It would all depend on the actual cost of acquiring him, plus having three years to evaluate him and convince him to stay, at a reasonable, more actualized value deal, if that is truly the Habs' desire by the end of his current contract.

 

[Destopcorner]

Is Laine currently worth 8.7M? What do you give for a guy you can't extend and who can sign anywhere in 2 years after this one with you receiving nothing in compensation?

I can't believe hesjust 25 still, though.

Laine is not a play bib, bigger player at 6'5", 210 lbs. He'd needtoplay on another line with Dach, IMO, to get the most out of him.

That would leave a pure scorer for the Suzuki line in Caufield and a pure scorer for the Dach line in Laine.

Roy would need to play on one of those lines and we'd still be missing another top-6 winger, unless we re-sign Monahan?

Caufield - Suzuki - Monahan
Laine - Dach - Roy
RHP - Newhook - Anderson
Heineman - Beck - Gallagher
Pezzetta, Ylonen

Agreed on everything except you forgot Slaf... Swap Roy one the first and that second line becomes a nightmare to against. Having workhorse pass first players like Dach and Slaf would also help Laine's goalscorer game.

If it doesn't fit, you know he will have a great season right before his big payday so the trade deadline value should still be quite high.

 

[Scriptor]

Agreed on everything except you forgot Slaf... Swap Roy one the first and that second line becomes a nightmare to against. Having workhorse pass first players like Dach and Slaf would also help Laine's goalscorer game.

If it doesn't fit, you know he will have a great season right before his big payday so the trade deadline value should still be quite high.

I did forget Slafkovsky! Go figure. Thanks for pointing it out.

If we do swap Roy for Monahan, where does Slafkovsky fit? Surely not with Newhook and Anderson?

Caufield - Suzuki - Roy
Monahan - Dach - Laine

Then what?

 

[Monsieur Miz]

Laine would fit right in! Always injured, just what we need.

 

[calder candidate]

A first line of Laine-Suzuki-Caufield have some potential thats for sure. If hes available and want to play for the habs we should prepare a good offer for colombus. Dont know what they are looking for but we do have some interesting pieces.

For a player that already established pretty sure the price tag will be pretty high not sure we have pieces CBJ are looking for… Because there likely looking for a NHL ready player à la Ghule… One thing going for us is that we are 1 of like 9 team that have the cap space…
the Laine hype might have declined but he is a pretty much a PPG player and one of the best shooter in the NHL he is a 6’5’’ CC… The issue is, does he have the 200ft game or the right attitude to contribute on contending team…

If we could get him for guy like Harris Farrell and picks that great but not sure I would include guys like Ghule, Hutson

 

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

I'd rather have un chandail en laine than a Patrick Laine.

Ain't giving up big assets for a guy that been trending downward for 3 years now

 

[Sorinth]

I would for sure make an offer for Laine but in all honesty I don't see it as a good trade fit unless they are blowing it all up. But I suspect like Winnipeg and PLD they will want young NHLers with lots of potential. And since that's also what we want so it would be unexpected.

 

[26Mats]

I would for sure make an offer for Laine but in all honesty I don't see it as a good trade fit unless they are blowing it all up. But I suspect like Winnipeg and PLD they will want young NHLers with lots of potential. And since that's also what we want so it would be unexpected.

Calgary 1st + Newhook + Beck + Engstrom + Bogdan + Dvo 50% retained.