HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

[salbutera]

Want me to name all the 33 point complimentary players who are available for less than a 1st and a 2nd?? That’ll take a long time to compile.

Yes - having the same contract status (entering 2nd contract) + same AAV, because contract status / cap hit impacts pricing

 

[Sterling Archer]

Yes - having the same contract status (entering 2nd contract) + same AAV, because contract / cap hit is what drove the pricing

Why? What difference would that make? I care about production and what he’s done. Dollar for point production is a more meaningful comparison but could care less about his status before signing his contract.

 

[salbutera]

Why? What difference would that make? I care about production and what he’s done. Dollar for point production is a more meaningful comparison but could care less about his status before signing his contract.

HuGo are going after same contract ilk assets if you notice the strategy…want team age grouping to be in same 2-3 year band when they hit peak production age…

The vets are being organically phased out each passing season..

 

[Sterling Archer]

When you see what kind of players are traded for a late first round pick. I think Hughes paid a fair price for Newhook. Lets give him some time to acclimate to his new team. I think he can be a good player for us.

I get that. Just hasn’t panned out to date which is what I’m saying.

HuGo are going after same contract ilk assets if you notice the strategy…want team age grouping to be in same 2-3 year band when they hit peak production age…

The vets are being organically phased out each passing season..

I get that. Read above comment.

 

[Sterling Archer]

Can you find 3 good examples from the past 3 years?

To what end? I don’t care about his status before getting traded. I care about what he’s doing. Isn’t that what’s important?

 

[salbutera]

I get that. Just hasn’t panned out to date which is what I’m saying.

I get that. Read above comment.

Might it be more prudent to wait more than 18GP before passing judgement…

 

[DAChampion]

To what end? I don’t care about his status before getting traded. I care about what he’s doing. Isn’t that what’s important?

K, so you didn't actually know what you were saying.

 

[Sterling Archer]

Might it be more prudent to wait more than 18GP before passing judgement…

It would but that wasn’t the question that was asked.

 

[Runner77]

Might it be more prudent to wait more than 18GP before passing judgement…

How many GP did Habs scouting watch before passing judgment on acquiring him?

Over or under 18?

 

[Sterling Archer]

K, so you didn't actually know what you were saying.

Incorrect. I just don’t care to answer your pointless question.

 

[DAChampion]

Incorrect. I just don’t care to answer your pointless question.

And yet you have the time to write multiple posts saying you don't have the time.

 

[salbutera]

How many GP did Habs scouting watch before passing judgment on acquiring him?

Over or under 18?

Hughes saw lots of him w BC

 

[Sterling Archer]

Hughes saw lots of him w BU

Newhook trade was based on potential, handle alll the excuses about contract type, etc. to date, he hasn’t hit that potential. I think that’s fairly uncontroversial comment. Don’t get why everyone getting so defensive about this.

He’s been a 30-40 point getter so far in his career and that hasn’t really changed despite playing top 6 minutes. He’s played for a cup contender and a bottom feeder. At this point, it’s on the player.

 

[salbutera]

Newhook trade was based on potential, handle alll the excuses about contract type, etc. to date, he hasn’t hit that potential. I think that’s fairly uncontroversial comment. Don’t get why everyone getting so defensive about this.

Funny you use a word associated with a time period, as in achieving potential over time vs instantaneous results…

 

[Sterling Archer]

Funny you use a word associated with a time period, as in achieving potential over time…

Never said otherwise. I have said thus far, he has not reached that potential unless you consider 35-40 points his peak potential? Maybe in 18 games he’ll turn it all around though.

 

[Runner77]

Hughes saw lots of him w BC

He also had close business ties with the player and thus a vested interest. We’ve seen Hughes acquire other clients of his former firm and I’m just wondering how much of his decision-making is clouded when assessing them.

This is one instance where one needs strong voices in the room to counterbalance what may be a normal subjective inclination by the GM.

 

[salbutera]

He also had close business ties with the player and thus a vested interest. We’ve seen Hughes acquire other clients of his former firm and I’m just wondering how much of his decision-making is clouded when assessing them.

This is one instance where one needs strong voices in the room to counterbalance what may be a normal subjective inclination by the GM.

It’s become clear HuGo & MSL have doubled down on US Northeast recruits based on their connections to the region and/or having coached/watched them through development phase

 

[HuGort]

How is it a lost trade? Habs traded picks that have very low chances to become NHLers, to get a middle 6 player who's on pace for his best season point wise despite being stuck with Anderson the most

Newhook looking like solid player to me

 

[JoelWarlord]

Newhook is fine. He didn't produce when he was at C because he's not a top 6 C. He can be a spot duty 3C but in general he's a winger and he's produced fine on the wing in context of how thin our team is up front and how much we're lacking that Shaw/prime Gallagher/Lehkonen type of forechecker to help round out rush offence.

I don't really see the point of comparing him to other "33pt complimentary forwards" when A) he's currently on pace for 45 even with a really slow stretch where he was forced to play C until Dvorak returned, and B) he's still just 22 and has upside compared to signing eg. Gustav Nyquist.

 

[Runner77]

Never said otherwise. I have said thus far, he has not reached that potential unless you consider 35-40 points his peak potential? Maybe in 18 games he’ll turn it all around though.

What’s your take on Newhook’s IQ? He just looks like a North-South player with speed to burn but not very creative with the puck. Hopefully, he can be more than that. I’d hope he can earn his way to a regular top 6 role but might settle into being a middle-sixer.

 

[Sterling Archer]

What’s your take on Newhook’s IQ? He just looks like a North-South player with speed to burn but not very creative with the puck. Hopefully, he can be more than that. I’d hope he can earn his way to a regular top 6 role but might settle into being a middle-sixer.

I think he showed his IQ when he was playing center and his line went dead. Overall he has great speed, solid puck carrier and good puck possession skills. Not much of a playmaker or shooter. I see his as more of a support/complimentary player who can play with better players and not be an anchor on the line but not lead a line either.

I think he tops out as a 50 point player in his best years and averages out as a 40+ point guy if he plays in the top 9. Hope I’m wrong and he finds another gear and makes me look like the amateur I am but I haven’t seen any signs of it. Solid player but not star quality IMO.

 

[McGees]

I think Laine needs the magic touch of MSL tender relatability and concepts.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

So Oilers are looking at Allen/Monty/Primeau and scouted Allen's game tonight (hopefully they were too drunk to assess him properly). Allen's contract is awful so I don't see why they would seek that, and Primeau has like no experience so I don't see us getting more than a late pick. I don't know what they can offer for Monty to make it worthwhile for us.

I would be ok taking back Campbell if Oilers take Anderson. Anderson & Allen ($1.6m retained) for Campbell & Foegele is an equal cap swap. Campbell & Anderson have equal length contracts too.

Foegele is UFA this year while Allen has another year on his contract, so hardly long term. We might be able to trade Foegele at deadline although we will not be able to retain on anyone.

Maybe we could resurrect Campbell. If not, he gives us a veteran guy in Laval while we have a young team there. We save a bit of cap with him in AHL too.

Foegele is a 4th liner, so hopefully moving Anderson allows more offensive opportunities for Slafkovsky & Ylonen.

 

[Runner77]

I would be ok taking back Campbell if Oilers take Anderson. Anderson & Allen ($1.6m retained) for Campbell & Foegele is an equal cap swap. Campbell & Anderson have equal length contracts too.

Foegele is UFA this year while Allen has another year on his contract, so hardly long term. We might be able to trade Foegele at deadline although we will not be able to retain on anyone.

Maybe we could resurrect Campbell. If not, he gives us a veteran guy in Laval while we have a young team there. We save a bit of cap with him in AHL too.

Foegele is a 4th liner, so hopefully moving Anderson allows more offensive opportunities for Slafkovsky & Ylonen.

I know Anderson has not made a good case for himself this season in particular but can’t see the benefit of taking on Campbell’s contract just cause it elapses at the same time as Anderson’s.

At least Anderson has some raw skills and has shown he has an extra gear in the playoffs while capable of physicality. In the eyes of several GMs, that has value.

Campbell is nothing more than a cap dump and a buyout candidate.

I still remember what Stéphane Waite said back in April this year. Turns out that when Campbell was with Toronto, it was confirmed to Waite from someone in the know, that Campbell is unable to deal with the pressure of starting and will break down mentally as a result.

Campbell can usually handle it when brought into a game in relief, when his team is trailing badly, as he has nothing to lose.

This does not sound to me like the profile of someone who can be turned around. The boat anchor needs to be accompanied by major incentives otherwise let him be the Oil’s buyout problem.

 

[morhilane]

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Campbell can usually handle it when brought into a game in relief, when his team is trailing badly, as he has nothing to lose.
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He can't even handle the AHL right now. Campbell is getting bought out, but I don't think it's the Oilers who will do it. It's even a rather buyout friendly contract, two $2.3-$2.6m seasons and $1.5m and under for the other 4.

I could see Hughes asking BIG from Holland to take his contract and buy him out. I don't think the Oilers have the cap space to do it...