HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

[vokiel]

Oh yes they can but that's all a matter of what the other team is looking for, if they want picks and prospects, we can afford to give a tons without breaking a sweat.




Last year we moved 2 of them to technically get a mid-first round pick in development which is whole lot better than some magic beans.

In 2022 they had 6x Top 100 pick and we're already set to have at least 4 othis year and 6 next years. I think we're good in terms of top 100 picks.

But then again, I disagree.....we actually don't need those type of picks at all, we need quality as we already have that type of quantity.

You're moving the goal posts, no one is doing a blockbuster if they want picks and prospects.

We have no one worthy of a blockbuster anyhow.

 

[Schooner Guy]

Pinto should have enough smarts to turn his life around.

What's the over-under on that?

 

[rahad]

We can afford to keep Monahan this trade deadline because of the big haul we got at last years trade deadline….wait

Knowing our luck. Monahan will get injure 5 days before Trade deadline.

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

How did our summer cap strategy mastercalass play out? I'm talking about waiting until the season started until we LTIR'd Price. Did it help us or hurt us?

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

How did our summer cap strategy mastercalass play out? I'm talking about waiting until the season started until we LTIR'd Price. Did it help us or hurt us?

Won't know until the trade deadline has passed.

 

[LaP]

Last year we moved 2 of them to technically get a mid-first round pick in development which is whole lot better than some magic beans.

Yes and no.

A magic bean can always become the next best thing. Chances are slim (not really it's about 5% to 10%) but the chances are there.

Newhook chances to become the next best thing is about 0%. He could develop as a solid top 6 but that's about it. He will be a complimentary player that's almost sure and it was already almost sure when we got him. There's a legitimate chance the dman Colorado picked will be better.

But then again, I disagree.....we actually don't need those type of picks at all, we need quality as we already have that type of quantity.

I agree. But Newhook is not quality Newhook is quantity. And he was already pretty much certain to be quantity when we acquired him. The quality you wont acquire it by trading scraps like Dvorak you will either acquire it with magic beans or by trading magic beans. To trade magic beans you have to have magic beans in your possession.

 

[HuGort]

What's the over-under on that?

He's gambling with his career if he doesn't get help. But I would bet he's bright enough not to throw his career away.

Pinto be good third line center for Habs next year. If they trade Monahan.

 

[Milhouse40]

You're moving the goal posts, no one is doing a blockbuster if they want picks and prospects.

We have no one worthy of a blockbuster anyhow.

You mean like Jack Eichel or Alex Debrincat, being trade for picks and prospect?

 

[sampollock]

What's the over-under on that?

ask Tony bets

 

[JRichard]

According to Pagnotta, it would be appropriate to monitor the Habs for a trade involving three teams between now and March 8.

And these guys get paid to predict this?Any one of us could say this.All teams in the NHL according to me would be appropriate to monitor all other teams for a trade involving three teams between now and March 8.

I hope their role in the threesome will be to get the best player, not to get paid in picks to get the dump.

 

[vokiel]

You mean like Jack Eichel or Alex Debrincat, being trade for picks and prospect?

 

[JRichard]

Knowing our luck. Monahan will get injure 5 days before Trade deadline.

But wouldnt we be lucky if he did last till March at around 50 games when he played 25 last one?

 

[Milhouse40]

Yes and no.

A magic bean can always become the next best thing. Chances are slim (not really it's about 5% to 10%) but the chances are there.

Newhook chances to become the next best thing is about 0%. He could develop as a solid top 6 but that's about it. He will be a complimentary player that's almost sure and it was already almost sure when we got him. There's a legitimate chance the dman Colorado picked will be better.

Yeah but you 90-95% chances of ending up with nothing, getting Newhook who's already an NHLer with some untapped potentiel. Getting an NHLer is better dans than getting 90-95% of getting the same or less.

Having said that, he should at least be consider in what we got from last year's draft.

A blockbuster doesn't have to be top players gainst top players, that's all I'm saying (Like Tkachuk\Huberdeau or Subban/Weber)

 

[Schooner Guy]

He's gambling with his career if he doesn't get help. But I would bet he's bright enough not to throw his career away.

How much are you willing to wager on that?

 

[LaP]

Yeah but you 90-95% chances of ending up with nothing, getting Newhook who's already an NHLer with some untapped potentiel. Getting an NHLer is better dans than getting 90-95% of getting the same or less.

Having said that, he should at least be consider in what we got from last year's draft.

I'm fine (ish) with the Newhook trade. That's was not my point. My point is we can't keep doing that. We have to stock pile the picks and gamble more until we have the quality cause the quality again you wont get it by trading Dvorak and the quality wont sign here as UFA to play for a losing team.

Two picks in the top 100 is not a lot. it's not a lot even for a winning team. You simply can't keep having so few picks in the top 100 or it eventually becomes a problem (see Pens ...). It's fine if you aim for a cup. It's not otherwise. I'm not against trading picks for young players but moving forward the fish got to be bigger than Newhook.

Dach was imo a bigger fish than Newhook. A much bigger fish. Younger (at the time of the trade). More potential. Top 3 pick under 22. The cost was also low. A older dman drafted in the 2nd round whose ceiling was more than likely a 2nd pairing physical two way guy.

 

[morhilane]

How did our summer cap strategy mastercalass play out? I'm talking about waiting until the season started until we LTIR'd Price. Did it help us or hurt us?

They used Dvorak as off-season LTIR because you need to fill all the available cap with off-season LTIR and it was easier to fill the Dvorak's cap space addition than Price's.

 

[rahad]

But wouldnt we be lucky if he did last till March at around 50 games when he played 25 last one?

I hope he can last until the trade deadline. We have been getting injure left and right in the last 3 years.

 

[Miller Time]

all 3 are still young and will be here for awhile they know this team is not a playoffs team specially with all of our injuries if we get good offer for Monahan you take it and regroup next year

would be a big mistake to keep Monahan specially re-sign him his body is done he didnt get injured yet but you can clearly see he slowed down and we're only mid season

Glad you know what they think lol

Jokes aside, I think from what we've seen of them, and speaking from my own experience with elite athletes, Id say that is likely dead wrong.

It's one thing to know the odds are slim, but elite athletes aren't the peanut gallery or couch fans... The moment matters.

 

[The Great Weal]

Do we claim Zack Sanford?

 

[MarkovsKnee]

How did our summer cap strategy mastercalass play out? I'm talking about waiting until the season started until we LTIR'd Price. Did it help us or hurt us?

It helped us. He gives us in-season cap room. It was definitely the right move.

We can also put Dach & Dvorak on LTIR at any time, so we should be open to taking expiring contracts that teams need to dump.

 

[Miller Time]

I think if we're way out of it by the TDL he may tell the players it's better for their long term aspirations of making the playoffs. If the playoffs aren't realistically in reach, I think the players would understand.

Our roster has been badly affected by injuries. The message can be we'll build up for next year when Dach and Newhook are back, and all the young players have one more year of experience.

Interesting... He could in theory do a lot of things. But again, if we look at his track record and consistency of communication, I just don't see the "sell no matter what" scenario being suggested by many tank hungry fans.

They are building a culture of excellence first and foremost. With the injuries and depleted roster as it is, I think it will take a lot for Hughes to intentionally reduce the available top 6 NHL roster talent for 1/3 of a season... But, we'll see.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

Do we claim Zack Sanford?

No. Too slow.

 

[Miller Time]

all 3 are still young and will be here for awhile they know this team is not a playoffs team specially with all of our injuries if we get good offer for Monahan you take it and regroup next year

would be a big mistake to keep Monahan specially re-sign him his body is done he didnt get injured yet but you can clearly see he slowed down and we're only mid season

I disagree. I think re-signing Monahan is a very strong (& positive) likelihood.

Best case would of course be to see us get a great deadline return for him AND then re-sign him in the offseason. But with the roster as thin as it is, I suspect that Hughes will only pull the trade trigger if he gets a very high asking price... And if that's the case, I get it & would support that approach.

 

[Runner77]

I disagree. I think re-signing Monahan is a very strong (& positive) likelihood.

Best case would of course be to see us get a great deadline return for him AND then re-sign him in the offseason. But with the roster as thin as it is, I suspect that Hughes will only pull the trade trigger if he gets a very high asking price... And if that's the case, I get it & would support that approach.

Good news is how Monahan has managed to stay healthy to this point (made it farther than last season and counting).

Less good news is how his offensive production has slowed down since about mid-November and more recently, only one goal in his last 10 games (he seems to get some assists here and there but pace is snail-like).

If he can stay healthy over the rest of this season, could be an interesting gamble for an extension if it’s not too pricy unless, as you stated, an irresistible offer comes in.

 

[Theodore450]

Yeah but you 90-95% chances of ending up with nothing, getting Newhook who's already an NHLer with some untapped potentiel. Getting an NHLer is better dans than getting 90-95% of getting the same or less.

Having said that, he should at least be consider in what we got from last year's draft.



A blockbuster doesn't have to be top players gainst top players, that's all I'm saying (Like Tkachuk\Huberdeau or Subban/Weber)

The Newhook trade is lowkey like the Armia trade. Former high pick traded for more opportunity. Difference is Armia “used to” thrive in a bottom 6 role. I would have gambled on the draft pick. It’s all subjective as the pick is a gamble in itself