HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

[Andy]

I think he would be a good addition but at what cost.?

He's a good player. I don't mind giving quality for quality. I don't Hughes is like fans who want to trade crap for gold.

Im not sure what Ottawa would want, but I wouldnt mind trading a quality D for Pinto. Im not sure if that is what Ottawa would want.

 

[JRichard]

He's a good player. I don't mind giving quality for quality. I don't Hughes is like fans who want to trade crap for gold.

Im not sure what Ottawa would want, but I wouldnt mind trading a quality D for Pinto. Im not sure if that is what Ottawa would want.

Quality d, unless you mean a vet, it boils down to Harris or Barron after a bad game cause all of young d are usually off-limits: Guhle, Hutson, Mailloux, Engstrom, Arber, Struble. Gonna be playing 8d soon.

 

[Andy]

Quality d, unless you mean a vet, it boils down to Harris or Barron after a bad game cause all of young d are usually off-limits: Guhle, Hutson, Mailloux, Engstrom, Arber, Struble. Gonna be playing 8d soon.

It's silly to give such a long list of off-limit D. At the end of the day, you can only play 6 D men at a time. And I think it's a waste of assets to rotate quality D men in the lineup when you need so much help up front.

Who gets traded really depends on how good Pinto can be. I really like him, but I am not an expert and don't know what his final potential can be. If he ends up being a consistent 30g-70pt player, it would be silly told on to Harris, Barron, Engstrom and maybe even Mailloux to an extent, if that was the cost to acquire him.

If Ottawa offers Pinto straight up for anyone of Mailloux, Barron, Harris, Engstrom...I'm not sure I'd say no. I'd only really hesitate with Struble and Arber because they're top potential isn't clear. Guhle and Hutson I would flat out say no.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

With Dach & Dvorak out for the season, I think the only chance Monahan gets moved is if the return is outlandish and includes a middle 6 roster player the other team wants to offload that is either UFA or has 1 more year left at most...

If the habs are not near a playoff spot at the tdl, Monahan is 100% getting traded.
There shouldn't be any arguments against that.

 

[vokiel]

Let's make a blockbuster with the Sens.

Habs couldn't do a blockbuster with an AHL club... Come on now..

 

[JRichard]

It's silly to give such a long list of off-limit D. At the end of the day, you can only play 6 D men at a time. And I think it's a waste of assets to rotate quality D men in the lineup when you need so much help up front.

Who gets traded really depends on how good Pinto can be. I really like him, but I am not an expert and don't know what his final potential can be. If he ends up being a consistent 30g-70pt player, it would be silly told on to Harris, Barron, Engstrom and maybe even Mailloux to an extent, if that was the cost to acquire him.

If Ottawa offers Pinto straight up for anyone of Mailloux, Barron, Harris, Engstrom...I'm not sure I'd say no. I'd only really hesitate with Struble and Arber because they're top potential isn't clear. Guhle and Hutson I would flat out say no.

Oh i totally agree its silly but arent they all off-limits?
you took 2 off the list and « hesitate« on 2 more. Thats 4. « Unsure » on 4 more. Thats 8.

my silly list had 8 and without Reinbacher. 9.

 

[Andy]

Oh i totally agree its silly but arent they all off-limits?
you took 2 off the list and « hesitate« on 2 more. Thats 4. « Unsure » on 4 more. Thats 8.

my silly list had 8 and without Reinbacher. 9.

For me my trade list for the D would be:

Barron - Yes
Harris - Yes
Mailloux - Probably
Engstrom - Probably
Struble - not sure yet, but leaning no
Arber - it would really depend the return. If a player like Eichel was available for Vegas, yes
Guhle - no
Hutson - no
Reinbacher - way too early to give up, so no.

That's not to say I'd be looking to get rid of all these players. But the habs need offensive help badly. The pipeline is bare. For one trade to bring in someone, these are how I see the availability of assets.

 

[DAChampion]

For me my trade list for the D would be:

Barron - Yes
Harris - Yes
Mailloux - Probably
Engstrom - Probably
Struble - not sure yet, but leaning no
Arber - it would really depend the return. If a player like Eichel was available for Vegas, yes
Guhle - no
Hutson - no
Reinbacher - way too early to give up, so no.

That's not to say I'd be looking to get rid of all these players. But the habs need offensive help badly. The pipeline is bare. For one trade to bring in someone, these are how I see the availability of assets.

Everybody's tradeable for Eichel ...

 

[McGees]

We can afford to keep Monahan this trade deadline because of the big haul we got at last years trade deadline….wait

 

[sampollock]

According to Pagnotta, it would be appropriate to monitor the Habs for a trade involving three teams between now and March 8.

If anything is evident in Hughes' management style, it's his ability to maximize the use of his space under the salary cap. He proved it with the transaction involving Sean Monahan in 2022 and that of Erik Karlsson in the summer of 2023.

The loss of a crucial element for Martin St-Louis represents, for the moment, an opportunity for Hughes

 

[LaP]

We can afford to keep Monahan this trade deadline because of the big haul we got at last years trade deadline….wait

Given our current position i don't think we can afford another deadline and draft like last season. We had only two picks in the top 100 last draft and this is not good at all. I have not been too critical of KH cause i always want to give someone a chance but at one point something has to happen. We need more top 100 picks for the next two drafts (2024, 2025).

 

[McGees]

According to Pagnotta, it would be appropriate to monitor the Habs for a trade involving three teams between now and March 8.

If anything is evident in Hughes' management style, it's his ability to maximize the use of his space under the salary cap. He proved it with the transaction involving Sean Monahan in 2022 and that of Erik Karlsson in the summer of 2023.

The loss of a crucial element for Martin St-Louis represents, for the moment, an opportunity for Hughes

So we are deadline buyers now?
Cool Mr Pagnotts thanks keep up the great work.

 

[JRichard]

For me my trade list for the D would be:

Barron - Yes
Harris - Yes
Mailloux - Probably
Engstrom - Probably
Struble - not sure yet, but leaning no
Arber - it would really depend the return. If a player like Eichel was available for Vegas, yes
Guhle - no
Hutson - no
Reinbacher - way too early to give up, so no.

That's not to say I'd be looking to get rid of all these players. But the habs need offensive help badly. The pipeline is bare. For one trade to bring in someone, these are how I see the availability of assets.

Eichel? Ok. See ya.

 

[morhilane]

So we are deadline buyers now?
Cool Mr Pagnotts thanks keep up the great work.

Not buyers, he's talking about the Habs using their cap space to facilitate a trade between two other teams by eating cap dumps. If Dvorak, Dach and Wideman are added to LTIR, Habs end up with $12m in cap space. They can waive Armia again for another $1.1m freed.

 

[McGees]

Not buyers, he's talking about the Habs using their cap space to facilitate a trade between two other teams by eating cap dumps. If Dvorak, Dach and Wideman are added to LTIR, Habs end up with $12m in cap space. They can waive Armia again for another $1.1m freed.

Seems like an offseason thing unless it is a 3rd team thing to take a plug on their last year to help out a playoff team.

 

[Team_Spirit]

Late picks are so bad

Even 11-20 picks are massively overrated...10% shot at a star

 

[eklund the clown]

According to Pagnotta, it would be appropriate to monitor the Habs for a trade involving three teams between now and March 8.

And these guys get paid to predict this?Any one of us could say this.All teams in the NHL according to me would be appropriate to monitor all other teams for a trade involving three teams between now and March 8.

 

[LaP]

Late picks are so bad

Even 11-20 picks are massively overrated...10% shot at a star

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10% is a lot

If you are aggressive in acquiring picks between 15 and 25 over a period of 5 years your chances to land a star is very good providing you have good scouts. Usually there's a huge drop after pick 40ish.

 

[morhilane]

Late picks are so bad

Even 11-20 picks are massively overrated...10% shot at a star

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I think the Habs have a better success rate than 5% with Round 7.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

It's silly to give such a long list of off-limit D. At the end of the day, you can only play 6 D men at a time. And I think it's a waste of assets to rotate quality D men in the lineup when you need so much help up front.

Who gets traded really depends on how good Pinto can be. I really like him, but I am not an expert and don't know what his final potential can be. If he ends up being a consistent 30g-70pt player, it would be silly told on to Harris, Barron, Engstrom and maybe even Mailloux to an extent, if that was the cost to acquire him.

If Ottawa offers Pinto straight up for anyone of Mailloux, Barron, Harris, Engstrom...I'm not sure I'd say no. I'd only really hesitate with Struble and Arber because they're top potential isn't clear. Guhle and Hutson I would flat out say no.

No. It would be stupid to trade any d but Harris or Barron until they have a better grasp on their upside.

 

[Schooner Guy]

If we get a deal on Pinto I would trade for him

That would be quite a gamble.

 

[sampollock]

That would be quite a gamble.

I will put money down on this one

 

[Milhouse40]

Habs couldn't do a blockbuster with an AHL club... Come on now..

Oh yes they can but that's all a matter of what the other team is looking for, if they want picks and prospects, we can afford to give a tons without breaking a sweat.

Given our current position i don't think we can afford another deadline and draft like last season. We had only two picks in the top 100 last draft and this is not good at all. I have not been too critical of KH cause i always want to give someone a chance but at one point something has to happen. We need more top 100 picks for the next two drafts (2024, 2025).

Last year we moved 2 of them to technically get a mid-first round pick in development which is whole lot better than some magic beans.

In 2022 they had 6x Top 100 pick and we're already set to have at least 4 othis year and 6 next years. I think we're good in terms of top 100 picks.

But then again, I disagree.....we actually don't need those type of picks at all, we need quality as we already have that type of quantity.

 

[Captain Mountain]

Seems like an offseason thing unless it is a 3rd team thing to take a plug on their last year to help out a playoff team.

Isn't that what Pagnotta is saying?

 

[HuGort]

That would be quite a gamble.

Pinto should have enough smarts to turn his life around.