HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #85 - Offseason Editon

[Boss Man Hughes]

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Top UFA's don't sign with non contending teams best Montreal can hop for is 4th liners like Carrier and Blais.

That could be. UFA's Stamkos age would likely be looking for a contender. Younger UFA's might see a team that is only a couple of years away and be interested in Montreal.

 

[McGees]

perhaps... though adding a protection clause could get them biting... i'd go as far as top-12 protected provided the alternative is their unprotected '25 first

i don't see them standing pat, though i do see them pivoting to selling off assets vs making a push to hit the playoffs, all depends on how willing Leonsis is to allow the re-tool/re-build that looks like the more reasonable approach vs trying to run it back before Ovie retires.

Ya big question is what happens with Ovi.

 

[Deus ex machina]

Hello from the Canucks board!

Vancouver’s priority for upgrading the blue line is adding a RD—not a LD.

Our LD depth has not been an issue and we have plenty of bottom-pairing depth in the AHL too. It’s our RD where the team needs to add another top-four defenseman to shuffle everyone else down the org chart:

LD depth: Hughes, Cole, Soucy, Wolanin, Brisebois, Hirose)​

RD depth: Hronek, Friedman, Myers, Juulsen, McWard​

I do think the Canucks could trade Lekkerimaki or Brzustewicz or future 1sts if they try and significantly upgrade their roster. The modus operandi of Allvin/Rutherford seems to be that we are going for it. Remains to be seen if that is a good idea.

Both prospects have elevated their stock significantly compared to where each player was rated a year ago and sometimes teams decide to sell high in that scenario.

One final thought around Matheson… the Canucks have clearly put a ton of work into fixing the locker-room issues. They’ve churned through coaches and traded away their captain to fix the chemistry. It looks like these efforts are finally showing a return this season. They seem like they are having fun, playing with passion, and are bought into the systems that Rick Tocchet is implementing.

I can’t imagine the Canucks would risk those good vibes by bringing in a defenseman (Matheson) who injured Pettersson on a dirty slew-foot years ago in a VAN/FLA match. Maybe it’s water under the bridge, but maybe it isn’t—and that’s probably just an issue that this team should avoid considering where they are coming from.

Besides adding a top-four RD—most Vancouver fans assume that they also want to get bigger on the wing. Allvin/Rutherford seem to have a bias against small forwards like Garland—or maybe it’s that the team simply has too many of them. I think they would also like to upgrade their 3C from Pius Suter if they have the opportunity.

I know that's probably not ideal, but can't Cole and Soucy play on the right side?

 

[The Great Weal]

Ya big question is what happens with Ovi.

I think it's pretty obvious that he's gonna retire as a Cap, their only goal is for him to pass Gretzky.

 

[McGees]

I think it's pretty obvious that he's gonna retire as a Cap, their only goal is for him to pass Gretzky.

Will be tough with their trash team but doable if he keeps playing

 

[StickShift]

I know that's probably not ideal, but can't Cole and Soucy play on the right side?

That’s what most Vancouver fans thought would be the case. Especially since both Cole and Soucy have a history of playing on their off-side. Coming into the pre-season we expected to see Hughes-Cole and Soucy-Hronek.

However, Tocchet has been adamant about playing defensemen on their strong side. To the point that he even experimented with inserting Juulsen and McWard in the top-four rather than play Cole or Soucy on their off-side.

 

[Garry Valk]

Ya big question is what happens with Ovi.

Hopefully he ages very quickly and fades into obscurity.

 

[Skip Bayless]

I like the way Sam Reinhart from the panthers plays,got jam and a UFA but will probably be looking for a handsome contract.

I like the player, and he'd be a good fit, but he's not the player I'd like to overpay for.

I wouldn't pay him more than Suzuki or Caufield, but that's what he'll get in the open market.

 

[Lockin17]

Let's say Habs don't make the playoff at the TDL

Would you guys do

Habs : Monahan + 4th rd pick 2024 + 5th rd pick 2025
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PITT : Jeff Carter (if he wave) + first pick 2025

Monahan would fit great with Pitt

 

[DAChampion]

Let's say Habs don't make the playoff at the TDL

Would you guys do

Habs : Monahan + 4th rd pick 2024 + 5th rd pick 2025
for
PITT : Jeff Carter (if he wave) + first pick 2025

Monahan would fit great with Pitt

Personally I would, but at this rate there will be better offers.

I also understand Carter's role as a cap dump, but isn't he a friend of Crosby's?

 

[Lockin17]

Personally I would, but at this rate there will be better offers.

I also understand Carter's role as a cap dump, but isn't he a friend of Crosby's?

without Carter envolve cap space don't work.

Maybe Acciari , but 3 more years at 2mil ,, not sure i want that

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

Carter has a NMC or NTC doubt he waives for MTL

 

[ML16]

Let's say Habs don't make the playoff at the TDL

Would you guys do

Habs : Monahan + 4th rd pick 2024 + 5th rd pick 2025
for
PITT : Jeff Carter (if he wave) + first pick 2025

Monahan would fit great with Pitt

Not enough, in my opinion. If the Habs have to absorb a cap dump to trade Monahan this year, a 1st round pick would have be a starting point - unless said 1st RP is a projectable top-16 overall pick.

 

[EveryDay]

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[Garry Valk]

Come on Kent, go get Kessel!

 

[Kimota]

Go get Nylander, I don't care what it cost.

 

[ReHabs]

Holding onto Josh Anderson was such a bad decision. I understand he’s a Hughes foxhole guy being a former client but he has less value by the day AND is injury prone.

 

[Runner77]

Holding onto Josh Anderson was such a bad decision. I understand he’s a Hughes foxhole guy being a former client but he has less value by the day AND is injury prone.

Hard to say that Hughes held on without knowing what kind of offers he may have received for him. Maybe they were underwhelming and he hasn’t found the right fit and timing.

Or maybe, other teams are not willing to pay for that skill set on a long term deal without the cap rising more significantly.

Unless you’re suggesting that he should have gotten rid of him just to get rid of him when the Habs have not needed the cap room he takes up and he has not been a toxic asset otherwise.

 

[ReHabs]

Hard to say that Hughes held on without knowing what kind of offers he may have received for him. Maybe they were underwhelming and he hasn’t found the right fit and timing.

Or maybe, other teams are not willing to pay for that skill set on a long term deal without the cap rising more significantly.

Unless you’re suggesting that he should have gotten rid of him just to get rid of him when the Habs have not needed the cap room he takes up and he has not been a toxic asset otherwise.

I'm assuming he was more valuable coming off the Stanley Cup Finals run than he is now coming off consecutive 32 point seasons (both missing 15% of the season) and no playoffs to sniff at.

It's conjecture, sure, but it doesn't seem to me he's worth more today, in a season where he will turn 30 years old and is on pace for about 10pts, than he would've been earlier.

 

[DAChampion]

I'm assuming he was more valuable coming off the Stanley Cup Finals run than he is now coming off consecutive 32 point seasons (both missing 15% of the season) and no playoffs to sniff at.

It's conjecture, sure, but it doesn't seem to me he's worth more today, in a season where he will turn 30 years old and is on pace for about 10pts, than he would've been earlier.

I agree, I think that Anderson's value has likely dropped, and will drop further.

His tools are his speed, his physicality, and his shot, which in practice are tools that tend to be hit harder by aging and injuries.

 

[Pompeius Magnus]

I was completely against it initially, but now I wouldn't mind having Cole and Nick sitting under the learning tree with Kessel for a season. Seems like they're stuck with a revolving door of wingers they won't have much chemistry with otherwise.

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

I was completely against it initially, but now I wouldn't mind having Cole and Nick sitting under the learning tree with Kessel for a season. Seems like they're stuck with a revolving door of wingers they won't have much chemistry with otherwise.

i think Monahan will be great on that line once Dvo comes back

 

[Pompeius Magnus]

i think Monahan will be great on that line once Dvo comes back

That was my hope, I like him most with the these two, but I fear the staff will want to keep him at center since he's been doing so good on his own line.

 

[Lockin17]

Go get Nylander, I don't care what it cost.

Agreed , love that player more then Petterson