HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #85 - Offseason Editon

[Miller Time]

From a cap and value perspective it makes more sense to wait as more teams get desperate and need to make moves. So unless there’s a team desperate to move sooner than later, I image it’ll be a while before they make a deal.

As for what they want, Hughes has said he prefers prospects to picks but in image he’ll do what he’s done in the past and take the best deal available. He’s shown he’s willing to take both but it’s harder for teams to deal more developed prospects they like than a draft pick they haven’t made yet. Just my 2 cents.

Makes sense.

Im no capologist, but I wonder if waiting gives teams with cap unload needs a bit more flex both in that the prorated amount they are trying to unload is less and more teams have created some accrued space... But that difference may be negligible

 

[HuGort]

There's so many interesting pieces that are seemingly available for cheap or outright given away right now:

- Garland
- Kubalik/Joseph/Brannstrom and maybe even Pinto
- Girard/Manson (at the end of the season most likely)
- Mantha
- Pesce


I would hope HuGo is actively involved in any trade going on, if anything just by being the third team that takes a contract dump for picks. If we're tanking again this season, might as well stock up on picks.

Pesce is available for nil? What's he got a bad contract or something? Because he was once solid defenseman.

 

[Sterling Archer]

Makes sense.

Im no capologist, but I wonder if waiting gives teams with cap unload needs a bit more flex both in that the prorated amount they are trying to unload is less and more teams have created some accrued space... But that difference may be negligible

Me neither but I think LTIR doesn’t accrue as the season progresses, so it remains static. Doesn’t really matter for Habs as they already have a huge amount available to them.

 

[Vachon23]

Pesce is available for nil? What's he got a bad contract or something? Because he was once solid defenseman.

No he’s not available for free, he’s still a good one

 

[c3z4r]

Pesce is available for nil? What's he got a bad contract or something? Because he was once solid defenseman.

Pesce is a great defensemen but over the summer there was a lot of speculation that he’ll be traded because Carolina don’t want to pay him for his new contract.

He’s an UFA at the end of the season, so people keep thinking that he’s available in a trade, but it won’t be for nothing since Carolina is trying to contend.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Pesce is a great defensemen but over the summer there was a lot of speculation that he’ll be traded because Carolina don’t want to pay him for his new contract.

He’s an UFA at the end of the season, so people keep thinking that he’s available in a trade, but it won’t be for nothing since Carolina is trying to contend.

Pesce apparently isn't too fond of playing in Canada.

If the Habs want a dman, Brady Skjei might be the potential target as he'll be ufa and likely play himself out of what Carolina wants to pay him.

 

[Kimota]

Pascal Perrette is a great ti gars de chez nous.
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Ah man I miss Perrette!

That seriously is the first thing I thought about. I was like "oh no not him too!".

 

[ML16]

Makes sense.

Im no capologist, but I wonder if waiting gives teams with cap unload needs a bit more flex both in that the prorated amount they are trying to unload is less and more teams have created some accrued space... But that difference may be negligible

Mostly negligible, I think; especially with 1/3 of NHL teams operating on LTIR and another 1/3 having less than a 1M margin (so at most around 4M prorated next TDL).

In any event, with only one salary retention left and an overflow of players at both NHL and AHL levels, it will be difficult to fully flex the Habs’ cap muscle this year. A few thoughts on the matter:

Player Overflow:

In order to be in a position to accept bad contract(s) for incentives, Montreal must have room to do so. The most logical roster spots available for cap dumping/renting appears to be Monahan’s and Pearson’s after TDL 2024. With the amount of young D requiring ice time, the incentive would have to be significant to accept a cap dump that isn’t a forward.

Salary Retention:

Whereas salary retention should be easily avoidable in Monahan’s case, Pearson will likely require a 3M+ cap dump to avoid it… or the Habs could also rent a salary retention spot from another team with a 4th round pick if they want to use their own on a more aggressive 2-year span with Savard or Dvorak. The incentive would have to be substantial - especially in the latter’s case considering Dach’s out.

 

[26Mats]

Is Boqvist worth taking a flyer on?
How much would you give up?
How much would it cost to get Boqvist?

It seems Columbus want forwards, or at least D prospects that are a few years away. But probably forwards.

Farrell, Kidney, maybe Heineman are on the table?

 

[Sterling Archer]

Is Boqvist worth taking a flyer on?
How much would you give up?
How much would it cost to get Boqvist?

It seems Columbus want forwards, or at least D prospects that are a few years away. But probably forwards.

Farrell, Kidney, maybe Heineman are on the table?

I wouldn't give anything at all significant. CBJ's looking to dump salary. Trading team would be doing them a favour.

 

[calder candidate]

Oilers likely need RD and some depth, they have no cap space and there seem to be some friction with E. Kane.

Is Kane a guy that we want to add if he is on the move?

 

[calder candidate]

Is Boqvist worth taking a flyer on?
How much would you give up?
How much would it cost to get Boqvist?

It seems Columbus want forwards, or at least D prospects that are a few years away. But probably forwards.

Farrell, Kidney, maybe Heineman are on the table?

We already have a lock jam on D I don’t see why we would give up anything, CBJ are making the move to clear cap space regardless who it is they will have to take a discount because there just isn’t many team with cap space.

 

[Captain Mountain]

Oilers likely need RD and some depth, they have no cap space and there seem to be some friction with E. Kane.

Is Kane a guy that we want to add if he is on the move?

For frame of reference, Savard and Allen are the only regular Habs older than Kane. I'm not sure why a team mid-rebuild would be interested in him, especially since he has a history of locker room friction.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Is Boqvist worth taking a flyer on?
How much would you give up?
How much would it cost to get Boqvist?

It seems Columbus want forwards, or at least D prospects that are a few years away. But probably forwards.

Farrell, Kidney, maybe Heineman are on the table?

Yes, he is.
Not all that much since we are loaded with defense prospects.
I don't think all that much since he's an odd man out. Probably a B level prospect, or 2nd round pick with a plus.

Kidney would be on the table, the other two wouldn't.. but I'd suspect Kidney wouldn't be either as we have few center prospects in the AHL, let alone in the system.

 

[26Mats]

We already have a lock jam on D I don’t see why we would give up anything, CBJ are making the move to clear cap space regardless who it is they will have to take a discount because there just isn’t many team with cap space.

We have dmen. But stll, we could use a potential pp qb...

but yeah, the right side does have 5 good candidates for the three future spots: Reinbacher, Mailloux, Kovacevic, Barron, Bogdan.

Yes, he is.
Not all that much since we are loaded with defense prospects.
I don't think all that much since he's an odd man out. Probably a B level prospect, or 2nd round pick with a plus.

Kidney would be on the table, the other two wouldn't.. but I'd suspect Kidney wouldn't be either as we have few center prospects in the AHL, let alone in the system.

Hard for me to know his trade value league-wide...

 

[Simarino]

Mantha vs Armia, lets go Kent do it!!! We take Mantha's bigger cap hit this year and gamble that he find his game in MTL and get flipped for a pick at the TDL.

 

[salbutera]

Mantha vs Armia, lets go Kent do it!!! We take Mantha's bigger cap hit this year and gamble that he find his game in MTL and get flipped for a pick at the TDL.

Why would the Caps GM do that? Take on a longer term headache?

 

[calder candidate]

For frame of reference, Savard and Allen are the only regular Habs older than Kane. I'm not sure why a team mid-rebuild would be interested in him, especially since he has a history of locker room friction.

Kane isn’t a player we add for the rebuild, he is the cap dump from the Oilers, is he too much of a locker room cancer too even consider him as part of a package?

 

[Captain Mountain]

Kane isn’t a player we add for the rebuild, he is the cap dump from the Oilers, is he too much of a locker room cancer too even consider him as part of a package?

He's got a full NMC, he's not getting dumped. He also still has value, Edmonton isn't going to pay to dump him. Assuming he'd waive his trade protection to go to Montreal, he'd likely use the media to engineer a trade to a team looking to compete, which is a distraction the team doesn't really need.

 

[jrom]

I wouldn't worry about this too much. Wideman was going to the AHL if not for the injury.

Pretty sure he has a gentleman agreement with HuGo and that his shoulder injury will linger mysteriously all season long

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

No more Bambi comments? , Where is that same energy that you guys had when KK dipped , where did it all go , hella quiet now?

 

[Runner77]

I wouldn't give anything at all significant. CBJ's looking to dump salary. Trading team would be doing them a favour.

I’d rather they deal from depth and redundancy unless they’re landing a supremely undervalued asset at D that they’re getting at a bargain and that they can flip later if need be.

However, not sure we have the scouts that can tell the difference.

 

[RationalExpectations]

No more Bambi comments? , Where is that same energy that you guys had when KK dipped , where did it all go , hella quiet now?

I was a KK advocate, feeling bad MTL lost him for nothing

 

[Whalers Fan]

Oilers likely need RD and some depth, they have no cap space and there seem to be some friction with E. Kane.

Is Kane a guy that we want to add if he is on the move?

Absolutely not.

 

[c3z4r]

No more Bambi comments? , Where is that same energy that you guys had when KK dipped , where did it all go , hella quiet now?

Why would there be disparaging KK comments in this trade proposal thread? Did anybody try to trade him back?

edit: just searched this thread and yours is the first mention of Bambi.