HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #85 - Offseason Editon

[Scriptor]

Clayton Keller carries himself with a lot of silky confidence. I would give up a lot to acquire him.

But… I’m not sure he’s the right target — we have so many holes it probably wouldn’t be feasible to improve the rest of the team in time to make it worth the acquisition, and yet… you will improve the team so much with this guy who knows how much of an effect it’ll have on the rest of the roster, but… McJesus and Drai haven’t been able to make up for the Oilers’ deficiencies, so caution is necessary.

I’ve talked myself out of pushing to acquire Keller. But, then, who should we target?

Keller would be a great addition, but it can't be as a lateral move that removes players from our young core going forward to make it happen as a trade. Doubt ARI makes that trade just for futures (picks and prospects)?

I'd give two first round picks + for Keller, even in the same year as in 2025 when we have two firsts, two seconds and two thirds.

Honestly think that, by then, we could trade player likeAnderson for a 1st rounder and a prospect to still have first round pick in that draft.

So, someone from our depth on D amongst Barron, Harris, Trudeau or Engstrom, Montreal's first round pick in 2025, unprotected and CAL's 2025 1st round pick, unprotected.

Slafkovsky - Dach - Keller
Caufield - Suzuki - Roy.
Newhook - Beck - Heineman
RHP - Davidson - Ylonen

 

[DAChampion]

In fifteen years the Habs have been able to trade away McDonagh, Subban, Sergachev, and Romanov for help on forward, with no equivalent trades of young forwards for D. Shows how lopsided Habs' drafting has been.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Carter Hart screaming must get #1 goalie with his brilliant 4 goals against and inability to track moving pucks.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Garrick saying the sens are likely to use a 1st to make room, so Hughes better be there.

 

[BaseballCoach]

In fifteen years the Habs have been able to trade away McDonagh, Subban, Sergachev, and Romanov for help on forward, with no equivalent trades of young forwards for D. Shows how lopsided Habs' drafting has been.

Shea Weber was not a forward.

 

[DAChampion]

Shea Weber was not a forward.

Yes, thank you.

 

[BaseballCoach]

Keller would be a great addition, but it can't be as a lateral move that removes players from our young core going forward to make it happen as a trade. Doubt ARI makes that trade just for futures (picks and prospects)?

I'd give two first round picks + for Keller, even in the same year as in 2025 when we have two firsts, two seconds and two thirds.

Honestly think that, by then, we could trade player likeAnderson for a 1st rounder and a prospect to still have first round pick in that draft.

So, someone from our depth on D amongst Barron, Harris, Trudeau or Engstrom, Montreal's first round pick in 2025, unprotected and CAL's 2025 1st round pick, unprotected.

Slafkovsky - Dach - Keller
Caufield - Suzuki - Roy.
Newhook - Beck - Heineman
RHP - Davidson - Ylonen

I would not give both of our 2025 firsts.

But I would give some cost controlled roster players, one 1st round pick and a prospect.

Better of Calgary or Montreal 2025 pick, both Top 10 protected.​

choice of Harris or Barron​

choice of Ylonen or Evans​

choice of Mesar or Kidney​

in exchange for Keller and a 3rd rounder

 

[BaseballCoach]

Garrick saying the sens are likely to use a 1st to make room, so Hughes better be there.

Joseph and a 1st for Price, Mysak and Ylonen

 

[ReHabs]

In fifteen years the Habs have been able to trade away McDonagh, Subban, Sergachev, and Romanov for help on forward, with no equivalent trades of young forwards for D. Shows how lopsided Habs' drafting has been.

The Habs did not trade Subban for help on forward, but I get what you’re saying.

 

[jrom]

Swayman is certainly way more #1 than anyone Montreal has coming up.

There’s no point going for a good goalie right now while 2/3 of the team is still developing. Patience, we need another good pick this year while the youngsters improve e.g. what we have right now is fine goalie wise

 

[JoelWarlord]

Not opposed to targetting a goalie, I like Dobes and Fowler as prospects but at 20 and 18 y/o they're likely many years away still. I don't think Jeremid Layman is that guy though.

My copium thought is maybe we'll be in play for Saros, no idea what that would look like but it's fun to spitball about.

 

[HuGort]

Carter Hart screaming must get #1 goalie with his brilliant 4 goals against and inability to track moving pucks.

Canadiens need to add goalie. As takes a long while to develop what we drafted this June. But doubt it be Hart. I expect Habs trade bunch of picks this Draft for top rated young goalie. Askarov type? They have drafted a lot last 4 or 5 drafts, getting jammed up on farm.

 

[Habitant#1]

Montreal needs a #1 goalie the sooner the better you cannot wait 5-7 years and waste all of Suzuki and Caufield.

The goalie should be the absolute last piece of the rebuild. Otherwise a good goalie to soon just ruins the tanking phase.

 

[therocket9]

The goalie should be the absolute last piece of the rebuild. Otherwise a good goalie to soon just ruins the tanking phase.

They are not tanking if they were they would have Bedard.

 

[Revansky]

They are not tanking if they were they would have Bedard.

Well you know there's this thing call the lottery ?

With 11.5 % the 3rd place (from the bottom) team won the Bedard sweepsakes. Even if you finish last you have 25.5 % chance only to get first pick. You tank to have a top 5-10 pick. In an ideal world we would need an elite F and 1D (unless Reinbacher becomes one). Elites forwards are predominantly pick in the top 10.

 

[therocket9]

Well you know there's this thing call the lottery ?

With 11.5 % the 3rd place (from the bottom) team won the Bedard sweepsakes. Even if you finish last you have 25.5 % chance only to get first pick. You tank to have a top 5-10 pick. In an ideal world we would need an elite F and 1D (unless Reinbacher becomes one). Elites forwards are predominantly pick in the top 10.

Yes,but they are still not tanking....if you were tanking they would not be signing a veteran goalie to an extension...they would not be bringing back Monahan and they would be trading Anderson.

 

[Revansky]

Yes,but they are still not tanking....if you were tanking they would not be signing a veteran goalie to an extension...they would not be bringing back Monahan and they would be trading Anderson.

I agree, i wouldn't have a sign Allen to that contract. I guess they want to keep a few veteran to help the kids and not put them in position that's over their head. Monahan would have been traded last trade deadline if he wasn't hurt and could be the upcoming one. Anderson should be traded if they could get the rumoured 1st round pick.

 

[The Great Weal]

Clayton Keller carries himself with a lot of silky confidence. I would give up a lot to acquire him.

But… I’m not sure he’s the right target — we have so many holes it probably wouldn’t be feasible to improve the rest of the team in time to make it worth the acquisition, and yet… you will improve the team so much with this guy who knows how much of an effect it’ll have on the rest of the roster, but… McJesus and Drai haven’t been able to make up for the Oilers’ deficiencies, so caution is necessary.

I’ve talked myself out of pushing to acquire Keller. But, then, who should we target?

He's who I was hoping we would add instead of Newhook. Newhook looks great but Keller is a different beast. Habs got a lot of good prospects but I don't see us having any of a top 10 forward, top 10 dman, or top 10 goalie which is a must for a contender in my books.

 

[BoneHutson]

He's who I was hoping we would add instead of Newhook. Newhook looks great but Keller is a different beast. Habs got a lot of good prospects but I don't see us having any of a top 10 forward, top 10 dman, or top 10 goalie which is a must for a contender in my books.

Reinbacher and Hutson arent top 10 d prospects? Lmao

 

[The Great Weal]

Reinbacher and Hutson arent top 10 d prospects? Lmao

I'm talking about becoming top 10 players at their position in the NHL. A top 10 prospect doesn't mean anything for building a contender, they actually need to become an elite players for us. When was the last time a team won the cup without having a top 10 forward and/or top 10 dman and/or top 10 goalie?

 

[therocket9]

Carter Hart screaming must get #1 goalie with his brilliant 4 goals against and inability to track moving pucks.

Yes and Dobes was brilliant last night for Laval career ahler.

 

[Frank JT]

Carter Hart was in the 2018 Canada Junior team. Don't touch him.

No Huberdeau and no Keller for me ($$$).

The target for me is Lafrenière.

 

[ReHabs]

Carter Hart was in the 2018 Canada Junior team. Don't touch him.

No Huberdeau and no Keller for me ($$$).

The target for me is Lafrenière.

What is your stated objective if your target is a struggling young player who hasn't hit 40pts in an NHL season?

I want Laf as well, I think he's the ideal buy-low candidate, but I do not feel like he's a 'target'. I'd call him a 'pick-up' at best! PLD was a target, Keller is a target, Pettersson is a target... these are players who'd immediately slot into the core of a roster. Laf needs to be carried so he isn't currently a foundation piece.

 

[Frank JT]

What is your stated objective if your target is a struggling young player who hasn't hit 40pts in an NHL season?

I want Laf as well, I think he's the ideal buy-low candidate, but I do not feel like he's a 'target'. I'd call him a 'pick-up' at best! PLD was a target, Keller is a target, Pettersson is a target... these are players who'd immediately slot into the core of a roster. Laf needs to be carried so he isn't currently a foundation piece.

Why I would want Lafrenière? To get a piece of the team we need (a top6 winger). He is from Quebec. He still haves a star potential, but his value has drop a little. He could be another Dach or Newhook type of trade. He would still need time to grow into a good player. MSL could be a good teacher for him.

Keller or Pettersson are trades that you do when you are in the win mode.
And I don't speak about the impact on the salary cap.
We don't need to be in a win now mode. We are still in rebuild mode.

This is probably the last time that we could trade for Lafrenière at a ok price. Go Hughes.

 

[Sterling Archer]

Why I would want Lafrenière? To get a piece of the team we need (a top6 winger). He is from Quebec. He still haves a star potential, but his value has drop a little. He could be another Dach or Newhook type of trade. He would still need time to grow into a good player. MSL could be a good teacher for him.

Keller or Pettersson are trades that you do when you are in the win mode.
And I don't speak about the impact on the salary cap.
We don't need to be in a win now mode. We are still in rebuild mode.

This is probably the last time that we could trade for Lafrenière at a ok price. Go Hughes.

I’m agree with Laff comments but not necessarily with EP or Keller. They’re 24 and 25 respectively and would fit right into the core of this team. While there’s no chance either gets moved during the season, they’d be a great fit for the Habs who are going to switch to “win now mode” as early as next year.

Habs are in dire need of some elite level talent and both EP and Keller provide that. Laff, potentially. In any case, they need help up front to be a contender.