HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #85 - Offseason Editon

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Better to wait and see if he'll go on LTIR. But it is annoying to see him taking away top 9 ice time from RHP.
MSL is willing to give respect to a vet for a brief time. It lasted one game with Allen. I'd give Gally 5 games before he is demoted to the fourth, if he is not contributing anything.
 
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Better to wait and see if he'll go on LTIR. But it is annoying to see him taking away top 9 ice time from RHP.
If I were running balanced lines, they would be:

RHP-Suzuki-Caufield
Slafkovsky-Dach-Anderson
Newhook Monahan-Ylonen
Pearson-Evans-Gallagher

. .OR


Caufield-Suzuki-Anderson
Newhook-Dach-Slafkovsky
RHP-Monahan-Ylonen
Pearson-Evans-Gallagher
 
You may not agree with this proposal, but it's not insane.

In the past, it's cost about a 1st round pick to get rid of 1 year of a 5M cap hit. (Examples: we got a 1st for Monahan, Carolina got a 1st for the last year of Marleau's contract, etc...).

Gallagher has 4 years left at 6.5M. He's looking like he's completely useless.

I wouldn't give up those assets because I think Gallagher will go on LTIR and because we likely don't really need the cap space for another two years. But the proposal is consistent with market value for getting a huge amount of cap space for 4 years. In fact it's below market value. And we alreay have Reinbacher, Mailloux, Kovacevic, and Bogdan as future RD's, plus a surplus of LD's, some of whom could probably play LD. Barron is very expendable. Kidney is expendable. 2nd round picks are good, but also useful for these kinds of trades. I doubt any team takes on 6.5M in cap for 4 years for that package. Though I hope Hughes finds packages of futures for our extra cap space next summer.
we can debate the choice of adjectives, but as you posted, you wouldn't give up that number of assets to remove a player. No sane GM would give up those kinds of assets to rid themselves of player. That's terrible asset management - and probably the reason this kind of deal just doesn't happen - because of the term. Maybe a very desperate team that was a piece away from a cup at the deadline would consider moving a boat anchor like Gallagher if he was on the roster, but for the majority of teams, the risk is far too great to give up 2 young D and two high 2nds. As you have already posted. The NHL is a young man's league now and cost-controlled assets have significant value. habs will bury Gallagher's contract or simply waive at some point, as they did Armia
 
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If I were running balanced lines, they would be:

RHP-Suzuki-Caufield
Slafkovsky-Dach-Anderson
Newhook Monahan-Ylonen
Pearson-Evans-Gallagher

. .OR


Caufield-Suzuki-Anderson
Newhook-Dach-Slafkovsky
RHP-Monahan-Ylonen
Pearson-Evans-Gallagher

Yeah the lines can be balanced with Gallagher. I remember really liking Gallagher - Evan's- Ylonen last year. Gallagher could be good for Ylonen. I would keep the 2nd line together. So then it's about constructing a good 3rd line and finding a RW for Cole and Nick. For the 3rd line I've wanted to see RHP-Monahan-Anderson for a while. That leaves Pearson with Cole and Nick. I would see if by some miracle he can be a Pascal Dupuis with them. If not, I put RHP there. And them I try Anderson with Monahan and then either Ylonen or Pearson.

Caufield-Suzuki-Pearson/RHP
Newhook-Dach-Slafkovsky
RHP/Pearson/Ylonen-Monahan-Anderson
Pearson/Ylonen-Evans-Gallagher
 
“I'm not sure we have enough advanced talent in all aspects: attack, defense or goalkeeping. We will always want to add more. Will it be through the draft, will it be through trades, or both? That remains to be determined. »“It happens [to find an impact player through a trade]. When you have a lot of assets, ammunition in the draft, we could trade a 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th round pick in 2025 to get a player and at the same time still have a 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th pick round. Do I expect us to draft with all our picks available? No. How we are going to use them, we cannot give an exact plan. That's not how it works. But we know that we have assets to look for players. »

- Kent Hughes
Interesting that he only mentioned two of the three possibilities. He left out UFA signings. Something tells me the Habs under Hugo will sign few or none when it comes to UFAs.
 
I didn't know where to put this so I thought maybe in here. anyone catch gord miller on TSN 690? I don't always agree with him, but he made a good point he's made in the past and it got me thinking. He talked about how teams need at least 250 to get into the playoffs.
I did some albeit conservative calculations and I only come in at 215 with Cole and suzuki having 70 between them and everyone else hovering in the 15-20 range.
It's obvious they either need to draft another elite scoring forward, sign or trade for one.
When we have that player, we're close to a playoff team

-captain obvious
Do you mean goals?
 
I know that. But there is value in not needing to use LTIR, and Joseph comes for free. He could play hockey in our system.
I like the idea of adding Joseph. But I'd rather have Pearson also go the other way, even if at 50% retained. Joseph may have untapped potential. But there is risk, as as we've seen with Armia, etc.. we don't want a bunch of 20-30 point players making 3M on the cap.
 
I know that. But there is value in not needing to use LTIR, and Joseph comes for free. He could play hockey in our system.

is Joseph worth it at that cap hit and term?

i don't see that he is enough of an upgrade over RHP, Ylonen or Pezetta right now to be worth adding that contract without a better sweetener than moving Price's LTIR... and Farrell, Roy, Beck, Heineman all have better than decent odds at being similar or better contributors in the NHL before that contract is up... and they'll be on ELC

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is Joseph worth it at that cap hit and term?

i don't see that he is enough of an upgrade over RHP, Ylonen or Pezetta right now to be worth adding that contract without a better sweetener than moving Price's LTIR... and Farrell, Roy, Beck, Heineman all have better than decent odds at being similar or better contributors in the NHL before that contract is up... and they'll be on ELC

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OK you convinced me. I re-looked at Joseph's feuille de route and his strong results are fewer than I thought.

I like the idea of adding Joseph. But I'd rather have Pearson also go the other way, even if at 50% retained. Joseph may have untapped potential. But there is risk, as as we've seen with Armia, etc.. we don't want a bunch of 20-30 point players making 3M on the cap.
I think it's not worth using the retention slot that way.
 
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It's time to have our ways with the Sens.

DEW IT KEN
Calgary have 0 $ cap space. We can help them ;

Calgary ; Huberdeau, + their 2024 1st round ( compensation because we help them to liberate massive cap space )

Habs ; Savard ( to take 3,5 M $ for 2 years only )

DEW it KEN ! :sarcasm:
 
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Three ideas:

1. Price for Joseph

2. Norlinder and Ylonen for Brannstrom

3. Kidney, Barron & a 2nd for Pinto

1. Creative, but Ottawa would need to incentivize, substantially. As long as Gallagher doesn’t end up on LTIR at the same time as Price, the Habs can easily manage - weaponize, even - keeping the latter.

2. E for Effort. Doesn’t fit Ottawa’s imperative of making enough cap room to sign Pinto - but, in any event, an underwhelming LHD is the absolute like last thing the Habs should be spending assets on.

3. Intriguing. If Dorion is not ready to incentivize enough in another trade to make room to sign Pinto, could he consider selling his rights instead? Not far fetched.* In this scenario, Ottawa would need to be very high on Barron for Hughes to convince Dorion this could be a win-win scenario despite the divisional rivalry.

*Could it also prevent the trigger of an OS scenario; is it still possible at this stage of the season?
 
Calgary have 0 $ cap space. We can help them ;

Calgary ; Huberdeau, + their 2024 1st round ( compensation because we help them to liberate massive cap space )

Habs ; Savard ( to take 3,5 M $ for 2 years only )

DEW it KEN ! :sarcasm:
Keep Savard, we can get a 2nd for him at deadline. Make them take Pearson instead. Call up Heinemann
 
Keep Savard, we can get a 2nd for him at deadline. Make them take Pearson instead. Call up Heinemann
yeah but you have to give a good return for a Huberdeau and the cap space of Savard is...
Wait ! maybe we could send both Savard and Pearson if Calgary add a 2nd selection ?

see , it's so easy to make a good deal for both teams
 
yeah but you have to give a good return for a Huberdeau and the cap space of Savard is...
Wait ! maybe we could send both Savard and Pearson if Calgary add a 2nd selection ?

see , it's so easy to make a good deal for both teams
I don't think Huberdeau is worth his caphit. That is going to be terrible contract on backend of it. Only way I see Hughes adding that kind of veteran is if he thinks we contender now. Which I doubt
 
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