HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #85 - Offseason Editon

[Andrei79]

Exactly. The only Joseph trade that makes sense for us (and the sens) is the one in which we receive a first (I would mind sending back a 3rd since OTT didnt have a lot of picks in the last years)

Nah, a Gallagher Joseph trade would be perfectly fine.

 

[HuGo Sham]

MTL : Gallagher + Barron + 2nd rd pick (avs) 2024 + Struble/Kidney + 2nd rd pick 2025
for
SJ : Future

you made an equally insane proposal on the main board.
Montreal is never ever going to give up those kind of assets just to get rid of Gallagher's contract. nor should they.
Do you think this stuff through before posting? a young NHL ready D, two 2nds and another B prospect just for a contract's removal?
that is horrible asset management and hughes would never do it.

 

[salbutera]

Price for Joseph

Not sure Dorion is that level of desperation ….yet!

But a slow start to the season, and / or more bad news on Norris’ injury…

 

[therocket9]

Carter Hart isn't any good, he's basically Montembeault level.

He's also not cleared at all from the Hockey Canada scandal.

On top of that, they already shut down they had ant interest in him.

We are also rebuilding and have no expectations of competing right now so there's no desperation to trade for a goalie. Especially since the top end goalie prospects are likely untouchable (and there aren't many) and Dobes + Fowler is about as good as any goalie prospect not named Askarov or Wallstedt.

Yes let's just become buffalo and miss the playoffs for 12 straight years LOL.......wow comparing Hart to Monty who is a glorified ahl goalie...please learn hockey.

 

[Miller Time]

Yes let's just become buffalo and miss the playoffs for 12 straight years LOL.......wow comparing Hart to Monty who is a glorified ahl goalie...please learn hockey.

you appear to have completely missed his point... this isn't a video game, try again.

 

[calder candidate]

Pearson 3.25M$ cap hit but 1.5M$ of bonus is payed actual salary 2.75M$.

Are we able to move that contract for anything or what do we need to add to move him?

 

[BaseballCoach]

Pearson 3.25M$ cap hit but 1.5M$ of bonus is payed actual salary 2.75M$.

Are we able to move that contract for anything or what do we need to add to move him?

I don't think we should add anything to move a player with an expiring contract. If we did not pay to be rid of Drouin last year, there is even less reason to do so this year with Pearson.

If he is not good enough to play, he can sit or be waived. However, personally I think he can play a bottom six role on the team for this season.

 

[Miller Time]

I don't think we should add anything to move a player with an expiring contract. If we did not pay to be rid of Drouin last year, there is even less reason to do so this year with Pearson.

If he is not good enough to play, he can sit or be waived. However, personally I think he can play a bottom six role on the team for this season.

True... and we do have 1 retention spot left.

I'd bet Hughes is fully intent on using that if at all possible to increase the future asset inventory.

Adding futures to move Pearson makes zero sense... but if he's decent this year, I would bet that retention is used to maximize the return we'd get in trading him

 

[WeThreeKings]

Yes let's just become buffalo and miss the playoffs for 12 straight years LOL.......wow comparing Hart to Monty who is a glorified ahl goalie...please learn hockey.

Where did I say to lose for 12 years? There's 0 panic to get a goalie right now and there's not any that are realistically available that are better than internal options. Literal Stanley cup contenders are using Jack Campbell and Ilya Samsonov.

Teams trying to get out of rebuilds are using Korpisalo and Nedelkovic.

And way to immediately go to insults after just hyperbolizing what I said. Real mature. You are the one living off the WJC hype of a goalie who has done nothing in the NHL (for 5 seasons now) to warrant any kind of attention. He's simply not worth trading for, they won't trade for him, and that's fine.

But if you want to debate it, let's do it. Are you prepared to talk about the execution of his c cuts, his choice of when to t push or use a butterfly slide, his reliance on RVH vs reading the play? Are you ready to talk about identifying backward flow or when to challenge, his choices of what to do on odd man rushes when the pass is upward, downward or flat? Can you discuss traffic reads on what stance selection, short side vs far side reads through traffic and what they do depending on layered screens?

 

[26Mats]

you made an equally insane proposal on the main board.
Montreal is never ever going to give up those kind of assets just to get rid of Gallagher's contract. nor should they.
Do you think this stuff through before posting? a young NHL ready D, two 2nds and another B prospect just for a contract's removal?
that is horrible asset management and hughes would never do it.

MTL : Gallagher + Barron + 2nd rd pick (avs) 2024 + Struble/Kidney + 2nd rd pick 2025
for
SJ : Future

You may not agree with this proposal, but it's not insane.

In the past, it's cost about a 1st round pick to get rid of 1 year of a 5M cap hit. (Examples: we got a 1st for Monahan, Carolina got a 1st for the last year of Marleau's contract, etc...).

Gallagher has 4 years left at 6.5M. He's looking like he's completely useless.

I wouldn't give up those assets because I think Gallagher will go on LTIR and because we likely don't really need the cap space for another two years. But the proposal is consistent with market value for getting a huge amount of cap space for 4 years. In fact it's below market value. And we alreay have Reinbacher, Mailloux, Kovacevic, and Bogdan as future RD's, plus a surplus of LD's, some of whom could probably play LD. Barron is very expendable. Kidney is expendable. 2nd round picks are good, but also useful for these kinds of trades. I doubt any team takes on 6.5M in cap for 4 years for that package. Though I hope Hughes finds packages of futures for our extra cap space next summer.

 

[therocket9]

Where did I say to lose for 12 years? There's 0 panic to get a goalie right now and there's not any that are realistically available that are better than internal options. Literal Stanley cup contenders are using Jack Campbell and Ilya Samsonov.

Teams trying to get out of rebuilds are using Korpisalo and Nedelkovic.

And way to immediately go to insults after just hyperbolizing what I said. Real mature. You are the one living off the WJC hype of a goalie who has done nothing in the NHL (for 5 seasons now) to warrant any kind of attention. He's simply not worth trading for, they won't trade for him, and that's fine.

But if you want to debate it, let's do it. Are you prepared to talk about the execution of his c cuts, his choice of when to t push or use a butterfly slide, his reliance on RVH vs reading the play? Are you ready to talk about identifying backward flow or when to challenge, his choices of what to do on odd man rushes when the pass is upward, downward or flat? Can you discuss traffic reads on what stance selection, short side vs far side reads through traffic and what they do depending on layered screens?

Nothing in the NHL Hart has put up .917 and .914 save percentages and is 9-5 in the playoffs with a .926% save percentage what has Monty done in the NHL.

 

[DAChampion]

There's no need to trade Gallagher's contract this year, so I don't understand all of the proposals.

In one or two years, maybe.

 

[Expos94]

I don’t think Reinbacher was a reach at 5OA. I think for the Habs at 5OA with the prospects still on the board, it’s perfectly fair to think the Habs should’ve gone with another prospect.

Obviously we have to wait it out. He seems like he has a lot of tangible, game-changing upside to come. Jeff Petry (without the inconsistency) is a true first pairing dman. Michkov, Benson, Leonard, Dvorsky, etc also have very high upside.

More hockey sense then petry and more aggressive

 

[Habs Halifax]

Yes let's just become buffalo and miss the playoffs for 12 straight years LOL.......wow comparing Hart to Monty who is a glorified ahl goalie...please learn hockey.

Hart would be nice to add but it has nothing to do with Monty's potential. Monty has worked his ass off to perform well and he did steal a few games for us last year. And also performed very well for team Canada at the WC's.

Monty is a good goalie to have around during our rebuild/transition years. No need to call him a glorified AHL goalie.

 

[Habs Halifax]

There's no need to trade Gallagher's contract this year, so I don't understand all of the proposals.

In one or two years, maybe.

Agreed. I see a few problems with trying to unload Gallagher now

1) Some say he is going to block a younger player? Sure but right now, we should be focused on moving Armia and Pearson before Gallagher. Also, Gallagher is a good vet to have and there is a spot in the bottom 6F for him. Our entire roster will not be age 25 and under. And remember, don't we rather not rush prospects? Only one I really see NHL ready is Heineman. Farrell and Roy are close but a full season or two in the AHL means they come matured like RHP and Ylonen are at the moment.

2) Unload Gallagher to have more cap space? To use on what? A 30+ UFA who typically underperforms?

3) Trade Gallagher like the Lucic/Neal flip? What would the point be with that?

 

[ReHabs]

More hockey sense then petry and more aggressive

Hard to make this claim when he’s not playing against NHL level competition. Unless you mean Jeff Petry as a prospect, in which case I’ll defer to you as I have no clue what he was known for as a prospect.

 

[Bottle Rocket]

Montreal is not prepared to pay what it takes to move Gally. That is even more obvious when our fans propose secondary pieces only. Though altogether they represent an overpay.

We would not attract the attention of other teams unless we offer primary assets instead of seconds and Strubble or the likes. Not this year with that money, cap hit and lenght left.

We don't need to move him either. Emphasis here.

So let's stop with these silly proposals on the main boards. Or at the very least let's keep it here if we really want to entertain these fantasies please. We make all other fan bases cringe at the thought of clicking on our proposal links.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Nothing in the NHL Hart has put up .917 and .914 save percentages and is 9-5 in the playoffs with a .926% save percentage what has Monty done in the NHL.

He was a league leader in GSAA just last year.

And I don't think Montembeault is any good. He's not a long term answer at all - but neither is Carter Hart.

Wasting assets to acquire Carter Hart is a terrible decision to do. If there's anything they want to do it's continually check in on Nashville if they make Askarov available because they choose to move forward with Saros.

It's great that you cite his save percentage from his first two years in the league. He hasn't been healthy and shooters have been exploiting his weaknesses as there's more data.

Since those years he hasn't cracked .910 and had one year where he was sub .900.

Good goalies, the goalies you want are consistent.. Shesterkin and Sorokin don't have anything on the resume that look anything like what Hart has put up for his past 3 seasons.

 

[Deus ex machina]

You may not disagree with this proposal, but it's not insane.

In the past, it's cost about a 1st round pick to get rid of 1 year of a 5M cap hit. (Examples: we got a 1st for Monahan, Carolina got a 1st for the last year of Marleau's contract, etc...).

Gallagher has 4 years left at 6.5M. He's looking like he's completely useless.

I wouldn't give up those assets because I think Gallagher will go on LTIR and because we likely don't really need the cap space for another two years. But the proposal is consistent with market value for getting a huge amount of cap space for 4 years. In fact it's below market value. And we alreay have Reinbacher, Mailloux, Kovacevic, and Bogdan as future RD's, plus a surplus of LD's, some of whom could probably play LD. Barron is very expendable. Kidney is expendable. 2nd round picks are good, but also useful for these kinds of trades. I doubt any team takes on 6.5M in cap for 4 years for that package. Though I hope Hughes finds packages of futures for our extra cap space next summer.

I agree.
It may not be logical for Montreal to do this trade now, but at that price, it's a bargain.
No team would do that trade.

 

[sampollock]

No one is gonna trade for Gallagher whatever package you offer…

Maybe if you offer Guhle/Reinbacher but that would be dumb

agreed

Gally is a hab forever.

There's no need to trade Gallagher's contract this year, so I don't understand all of the proposals.

In one or two years, maybe.

by then I would think he is done anyway. retired my guess in 2 years

 

[sampollock]

OTT is in tough with the cap. Kent can you help out? and of course win this offer

 

[Expos94]

Of course we need more time to see what he can do in the nhl which I believe will be next year. I m referring to how he played in the Swiss league last year as a 17 year old. Time will tell

 

[ZUKI]

MTL : Gallagher + Barron + 2nd rd pick (avs) 2024 + Struble/Kidney + 2nd rd pick 2025
for
SJ : Future

who’s that SJ Future ? i don’t know him

 

[Runner77]

Gally is a hab forever.

by then I would think he is done anyway. retired my guess in 2 years

Which comes first — Gally is LTIRetired in 2 years or he turns into this, in 2 years …

 

[26Mats]

There's no need to trade Gallagher's contract this year, so I don't understand all of the proposals.

In one or two years, maybe.

Better to wait and see if he'll go on LTIR. But it is annoying to see him taking away top 9 ice time from RHP.