HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #85 - Offseason Editon

[Miller Time]

VAN says no, nobody touches Gallagher contract without multiple 1sts back.

Not sure there is any precedent for multiple 1sts being the cost for an active player on a bad contract?

But, certainly this bargainbin boondoggle may well end up going down as one of the worst NHL contracts ever handed out....

 

[RationalExpectations]

Not sure there is any precedent for multiple 1sts being the cost for an active player on a bad contract?

But, certainly this bargainbin boondoggle may well end up going down as one of the worst NHL contracts ever handed out....

No there is no history of multiple 1sts going the other way because it is deemed too much of a price to drop a contract (rightly so) so those contracts don t get traded before the last year.

Monahan Marleau each cost a 1st to dump and they only had one year remaining and were better than Gallagher is… that gives you an idea of how bad this contract was.

 

[nhlfan9191]

No there is no history of multiple 1sts going the other way because it is deemed too much of a price to drop a contract (rightly so) so those contracts don t get traded before the last year.

Monahan Marleau each cost a 1st to dump and they only had one year remaining and were better than Gallagher is… that gives you an idea of how bad this contract was.

The way Gallagher’s contract was structured, it’s one of the worst contracts given out in the cap era even if the AAV isn’t the highest. Its impressive how unmanageable it is with Gallagher playing like garbage while also being just healthy enough to stay off LTIR.

 

[General Fanager]

It's worked out for Carolina



me

Not really.

 

[RationalExpectations]

The way Gallagher’s contract was structured, it’s one of the worst contracts given out in the cap era even if the AAV isn’t the highest. Its impressive how unmanageable it is with Gallagher playing like garbage while also being just healthy enough to stay off LTIR.

I was puzzled to say the least by the 2021 offseason. Resigning Gallagher rather than Danault seemed a mistake. Signing Armia at 3.4 rather than Perry at 1.1. Signing Hoffman at 4.5 and Losing KK as a result… But when you know he knew Price and Weber were out this was just stupid.

 

[Mad]

So Joseph scores two goals against the Habs and now we want to pay the Senators to fix their problems ?

 

[Heineman Mineman]

I was puzzled to say the least by the 2021 offseason. Resigning Gallagher rather than Danault seemed a mistake. Signing Armia at 3.4 rather than Perry at 1.1. Signing Hoffman at 4.5 and Losing KK as a result… But when you know he knew Price and Weber were out this was just stupid.

He signed Gallagher after Danault turned him down though. At the time, there was room for only one of them unless they signed team friendly deals. It sounded like MB didn't offer that much to Danault, which might have avoided the Gallagher disaster. A lot of posters here didn't want Danault at higher than 3.5M anyways

He "compensated" Danault's loss by a pile of mistakes, almost like if it was right in his mind to give the contracts he had planned for his plan A to his plan B players. He did the same panicking when he lost Markov.

 

[BarracudaMtl]

So Joseph scores two goals against the Habs and now we want to pay the Senators to fix their problems ?

Did I miss anything? Do you have any scoop?

 

[BLONG7]

The way Gallagher’s contract was structured, it’s one of the worst contracts given out in the cap era even if the AAV isn’t the highest. Its impressive how unmanageable it is with Gallagher playing like garbage while also being just healthy enough to stay off LTIR.

His salary this year and next is 8M and 9M
Let that sink in....................he is barely a 4th liner, and Bergevin gave him this contract..............

 

[RationalExpectations]

He signed Gallagher after Danault turned him down though. At the time, there was room for only one of them unless they signed team friendly deals. It sounded like MB didn't offer that much to Danault, which might have avoided the Gallagher disaster. A lot of posters here didn't want Danault at higher than 3.5M anyways

He "compensated" Danault's loss by a pile of mistakes, almost like if it was right in his mind to give the contracts he had planned for his plan A to his plan B players. He did the same panicking when he lost Markov.

Hoffman + Dvorak + Armia : 12.2m
Danault + Perry : 6.6m which meant they would have had Space for KK. Even with Gallagher.
I think he wanted to give the team more offensive punch and it faciles completely

 

[sandviper]

His salary this year and next is 8M and 9M
Let that sink in....................he is barely a 4th liner, and Bergevin gave him this contract..............

Yeah, thats crazy. That‘s straight up salary also… no signing bonuses…

I know a NTC/NMC protects the player but in this case, it’s unnecessary as the contract based off salary and AAV alone is unmovable.

 

[waitin425]

Assuming that eventually we roll with a defense corps made up of something like this....

Guhle - Mailloux
Hutson - Rein
Xhekaj - Norlinder
Engstrom

That leaves Barron and Harris out. Both guys should be NHLers with a possible middle pair role to a for sure bottom pair.

What could we get trading these guys? How would you do it? A package?

Ill try a couple targets.

Barron + 2025 CalgaryFlorida first (assuming in the teens somewhere) would be able to move us up into the 7-10 range potentially. The conditions means that pick will likely be outside the top 10. For arguments sake on draft day. Barron + #14 for #7.

on to Harris

Harris + Avs 2024 2nd + the better of our 2025 2nd for Lafreniere,

I see this as the Newhook deal with Harris as the sweetener.

We have so much draft capital in these scenarios we still maintain our 1st round picks in 2024 and 2025. We move up in 2025 on the Calgary/Florida pick and we lose Harris + Barron + 2 x 2nds, gaining Laf and a top 10 pick.

 

[therocket9]

If Montreal is ever going to make the playoffs in a super tough eastern conference they need a goalie package up prospects Harris,Farrell,Fowler and go after Kochetkov with Carolina.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

If Montreal is ever going to make the playoffs in a super tough eastern conference they need a goalie package up prospects Harris,Farrell,Fowler and go after Kochetkov with Carolina.

a) Habs have some very good prospect goaltenders
b) Kochetkov won't be traded - he is their only good goaltender.

 

[Scriptor]

After years of over-relying on Gs for wins, I wouldn't be surprised to see the Habs end up with a fully built up team that can do damage, but no G to backstop it once it can.Fans have taken the G situation for granted throughout the years and have actually been extremely lucky along the way.

Look at teams like Philly, or EDM,since they lastaccumulatedallo their 1stOA picks and top-10 picks and you can see how not having a worthwhile #1G has been costly for some franchises throughout the years.

 

[therocket9]

a) Habs have some very good prospect goaltenders
b) Kochetkov won't be traded - he is their only good goaltender.

Yes they have some good prospects none who are ready now and Carolina just signed Andersson to a 2 year contract.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Yes they have some good prospects none who are ready now and Carolina just signed Andersson to a 2 year contract.

They don't need a goaltender now. They need one in 2-3 years. If they think they can contend next season they will probably try to sign a UFA. Anderson is mediocre, If Carolina wants a chance at the Cup Koetchkov should take over this season.

 

[ML16]

There is a time bomb built into that contract and there won't be an even cap hit with the buyout. After some years, the Cap hit jumps up because of the contract's structure. It's a horrible contract because you can't plan properly into the future with the Cap because of it. Nomatter what the predominant Cap hit for the buyout is, you need to plan for that spike year all along not to get caught wth your pants down.

Horrible contract.

Shit. Went back to CapFriendly’s Buyout Calculator and just found out Gallagher’s buy out in the summer 2025 is actually:

1.75M in 2025-2026; 2027-2028 and 2028-2029, but 4.25M for 2026-2027.

Terrible! Hardly conceivable that Gallagher will be earning 9M in real money next year!

 

[nhlfan9191]

After years of over-relying on Gs for wins, I wouldn't be surprised to see the Habs end up with a fully built up team that can do damage, but no G to backstop it once it can.Fans have taken the G situation for granted throughout the years and have actually been extremely lucky along the way.

Look at teams like Philly, or EDM,since they lastaccumulatedallo their 1stOA picks and top-10 picks and you can see how not having a worthwhile #1G has been costly for some franchises throughout the years.

Since the Roy trade, we’ve had Vokoun, Hackett, Theodore, Garon, Huet, Halak and of course Price. Goaltending is about the only thing this organization has got right since the last cup. Had a nice run with RHD for awhile as well with Subban/Weber and Petry.

 

[Scriptor]

Shit. Went back to CapFriendly’s Buyout Calculator and just found out Gallagher’s buy out in the summer 2025 is actually:

1.75M in 2025-2026; 2027-2028 and 2028-2029, but 4.25M for 2026-2027.

Terrible! Hardly conceivable that Gallagher will be earning 9M in real money next year!

Gallagher earning 9M in real money is also a major impediment to trading that contract anywhere early.

That time bomb in 2026-2027 can really screw up a Cap structure going forward if you are close to the Cap ceiling, as you haven now seen.

Since the Roy trade, we’ve had Vokoun, Hackett, Theodore, Garon, Huet, Halak and of course Price. Goaltending is about the only thing this organization has got right since the last cup. Had a nice run with RHD for awhile as well with Subban/Weber and Petry.

All good runs come to an end...

 

[Lockin17]

Mailloux for Laf would be funny

Sergachev vs Drouin 2.0

 

[Mrb1p]

Not really.

They got a two-way physical beast 2nd line C for free on a great salary, Id say it worked out pretty well, lol. For instance, we had to give Romanov to get our version of that.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Was kidding around in a nucks thread, but got me thinking...

To Van
Gallagher, Barron, Lindstrom

To Mtl
Myers, Blueger

Nucks get RD options to test out with Hughes, both cheap and Barron with considerable upside. Take on risk of Gally being what most Habs fan see while hoping he's got a bit more in the tank.

Habs get out from Gally's contract term, paying a steep price in Barron for their trouble. Myers hopefully can be flipped with retention for a decent return before the deadline and Blueger pushes Evans for the 4C role.

Who says no?

Jesus f*** that's terrible for Vancouver.

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

I was puzzled to say the least by the 2021 offseason. Resigning Gallagher rather than Danault seemed a mistake. Signing Armia at 3.4 rather than Perry at 1.1. Signing Hoffman at 4.5 and Losing KK as a result… But when you know he knew Price and Weber were out this was just stupid.

Gallagher was extended in 2020 off-season.

Bergevin's handling of the Petry, Gallagher, Tatar & Danault upcoming UFA was poor asset management on his part and the principal reason for his demise, IMO.

Still, they had the cup final run, which is worth something. Hopefully this current rebuild yields some exciting players moving forward.

Would love for the Habs to move Gallagher out somehow.

 

[The Great Weal]

They got a two-way physical beast 2nd line C for free on a great salary, Id say it worked out pretty well, lol. For instance, we had to give Romanov to get our version of that.

I like how you spent years complaining about how Danault isn’t a 2C yet KK who had a career high of 43 points (fewer than 4 of Danaults last 5 seasons) playing next to Svech/Necas (blows Tatar/Gallagher out of the water) is a 2C.

Could he be a 2C? Sure, but he’s not a 2C as of now.

I’m taking Dach over KK with ease.