HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #85 - Offseason Editon

[nhlfan9191]

Theres nothing HuGo can do about the crazy/idiot fans we have Reinbacher just got death threats right after being drafted in which was suppose to be hes happiest day ever they had to block the comments section bcuz of the hate he was getting

Lafreniere is a former local #1 overall pick who will never live up to hes draft postion because hes simply just not good enough but would also receive ton of hype bcuz hes a former local #1 pick how long do you think fans will endure hes mediocre play Laffy will make it in the Nhl has a decent 3rd liner but hes nothing more

Hes a big pass for me theres better options

I’m not so sure Lafreniere would have to live up to any hype. If we ever did acquire him, it would be as damaged goods as opposed to high expectations, a big contract, and a high acquisition cost like a Drouin. We also weren’t the ones who drafted him with a #1 pick so I think it would be somewhat irrelevant.

 

[HuGort]

Could the habs just offer sheet Pinto like 4.2 million? It would cost them a second. Would Ottawa even be able to match?

Edit: I checked, the habs don't have their own second to be able to make it happen. Damn.

I really think Pinto would be a great fit in this lineup.

Offer sheet never works out

 

[Miller Time]

Was kidding around in a nucks thread, but got me thinking...

To Van
Gallagher, Barron, Lindstrom

To Mtl
Myers, Blueger

Nucks get RD options to test out with Hughes, both cheap and Barron with considerable upside. Take on risk of Gally being what most Habs fan see while hoping he's got a bit more in the tank.

Habs get out from Gally's contract term, paying a steep price in Barron for their trouble. Myers hopefully can be flipped with retention for a decent return before the deadline and Blueger pushes Evans for the 4C role.

Who says no?

 

[ZUKI]

Offer sheet never works out

It's worked out for Carolina

Was kidding around in a nucks thread, but got me thinking...

To Van
Gallagher, Barron, Lindstrom

To Mtl
Myers, Blueger

Nucks get RD options to test out with Hughes, both cheap and Barron with considerable upside. Take on risk of Gally being what most Habs fan see while hoping he's got a bit more in the tank.

Habs get out from Gally's contract term, paying a steep price in Barron for their trouble. Myers hopefully can be flipped with retention for a decent return before the deadline and Blueger pushes Evans for the 4C role.

Who says no?

me

 

[Beendair Donedat]

Was kidding around in a nucks thread, but got me thinking...

To Van
Gallagher, Barron, Lindstrom

To Mtl
Myers, Blueger

Nucks get RD options to test out with Hughes, both cheap and Barron with considerable upside. Take on risk of Gally being what most Habs fan see while hoping he's got a bit more in the tank.

Habs get out from Gally's contract term, paying a steep price in Barron for their trouble. Myers hopefully can be flipped with retention for a decent return before the deadline and Blueger pushes Evans for the 4C role.

Who says no?

Vancouver says no, easily.

Myers is gone after this year. Gallagher is on the books for 3 more after this one, and Barron isn’t enough to offset those seasons. In my opinion. You’d have to add more to sweeten the deal, something that would hurt.

 

[ZUKI]

To Habs , player good at this but bad at that
To (...) , player bad at this but good at that.

See, everybody happy

 

[Ezpz]

Was kidding around in a nucks thread, but got me thinking...

To Van
Gallagher, Barron, Lindstrom

To Mtl
Myers, Blueger

Nucks get RD options to test out with Hughes, both cheap and Barron with considerable upside. Take on risk of Gally being what most Habs fan see while hoping he's got a bit more in the tank.

Habs get out from Gally's contract term, paying a steep price in Barron for their trouble. Myers hopefully can be flipped with retention for a decent return before the deadline and Blueger pushes Evans for the 4C role.

Who says no?

Canucks wouldn't take it. Gally's dumping fee is more than a Barron. Myers is a free agent at the end of the year. I would absolutely pay a Barron to get rid of Gally. I'm pretty fricking annoyed at Bergevin for structuring the contract in a way that makes the buyout cap hit higher than if it had been frontloaded or backloaded.

 

[Miller Time]

me

Man I hope that Vancouver's GM sees what you see

Vancouver says no, easily.

Myers is gone after this year. Gallagher is on the books for 3 more after this one, and Barron isn’t enough to offset those seasons. In my opinion. You’d have to add more to sweeten the deal, something that would hurt.

I think highly of Barron...nothing about Myers or Blueger is remotely close to his value, that's a big "hurt" imo...

Though certainly don't disagree that the cost of shedding Gally may be more than that.

Canucks wouldn't take it. Gally's dumping fee is more than a Barron. Myers is a free agent at the end of the year. I would absolutely pay a Barron to get rid of Gally. I'm pretty fricking annoyed at Bergevin for structuring the contract in a way that makes the buyout cap hit higher than if it had been frontloaded or backloaded.

Indeed. You may well be right. The reality could be that there is no reasonable offer Hughes could make to unload his contract... especially if his poor preseason showing is a sign that he's declined even further from last year.

To Habs , player good at this but bad at that
To (...) , player bad at this but good at that.

See, everybody happy

Perhaps you missed the thread title

 

[the]

What is a garbage vs garbage trade that’s feasible to get rid of the “Heart and Soul“ Gallagher?

Torey Krug for Brendan Gallagher 1 for 1?

Ryan Strome for Brendan Gallagher + 2nd round pick??

 

[HuGort]

Was kidding around in a nucks thread, but got me thinking...

To Van
Gallagher, Barron, Lindstrom

To Mtl
Myers, Blueger

Nucks get RD options to test out with Hughes, both cheap and Barron with considerable upside. Take on risk of Gally being what most Habs fan see while hoping he's got a bit more in the tank.

Habs get out from Gally's contract term, paying a steep price in Barron for their trouble. Myers hopefully can be flipped with retention for a decent return before the deadline and Blueger pushes Evans for the 4C role.

Who says no?

I doubt Canucks do it. Gallagher 4 years left.

 

[Sterling Archer]

The only trade Habs need to make now is in the offseason for an elite forward. Hopefully we can draft or trade our 1st for another one but this team needs elite level forwards to be competitive. Scoring by comittee or depending on 1-2 guys to score just won’t work.

No more middling, support players. Habs have them all n spades. Elite talent up front.

 

[HuGort]

It's worked out for Carolina

How? They got stuck with bad contract and costs them 2 draft picks.

 

[Ligue]

The only trade Habs need to make now is in the offseason for an elite forward. Hopefully we can draft or trade our 1st for another one but this team needs elite level forwards to be competitive. Scoring by comittee or depending on 1-2 guys to score just won’t work.

No more middling, support players. Habs have them all n spades. Elite talent up front.

Been like that for about 30 years though. I’m certainly not holding my breath but at the same time its the only thing that’s gonna make me watch more than 10 habs games per season.

 

[VirginiaMtlExpat]

I doubt Canucks do it. Gallagher 4 years left.

4 years if he stays healthy. Somehow I doubt it.

If he hurts himself again this season, hopefully HuGo can have a chat with him about LTIR as well as explore with other teams moving one of their LTIR players.

 

[Miller Time]

The only trade Habs need to make now is in the offseason for an elite forward. Hopefully we can draft or trade our 1st for another one but this team needs elite level forwards to be competitive. Scoring by comittee or depending on 1-2 guys to score just won’t work.

No more middling, support players. Habs have them all n spades. Elite talent up front.

Don't disagree... just hard to envision what player out there might actually be on the block next summer

Nylander, Guentzel & Stamkos are the only UFAs to-be that check the box, and not sure any are still there come July. If they are, the payday they'll seek & get will be silly.

Suzuki, CC, Dach: realistic shot
Slaf, Newhook: possibly
Roy, Mesar, Heineman: unlikely

Best case is that 2-4 of those 7 cross the threshold into ppg/40+g elite territory... then the wealth of assets on hand can be leveraged more for quality veteran help to shore up middle-6 depth, and make sure we upgrade in nets.

That, or winning top 3 pick via lottery, are more likely than us being able to find a trade partner willing to ship out an established elite talent imo

 

[Runner77]

No more middling, support players. Habs have them all n spades. Elite talent up front.

We have to be lucky enough to be in a position to draft it. Otherwise, Hughes has to be willing to offload major assets to land it in a trade.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

What is a garbage vs garbage trade that’s feasible to get rid of the “Heart and Soul“ Gallagher?

Torey Krug for Brendan Gallagher 1 for 1?

Ryan Strome for Brendan Gallagher + 2nd round pick??

Neither of them.

They're both terrible for the other team.

 

[Deus ex machina]

Was kidding around in a nucks thread, but got me thinking...

To Van
Gallagher, Barron, Lindstrom

To Mtl
Myers, Blueger

Nucks get RD options to test out with Hughes, both cheap and Barron with considerable upside. Take on risk of Gally being what most Habs fan see while hoping he's got a bit more in the tank.

Habs get out from Gally's contract term, paying a steep price in Barron for their trouble. Myers hopefully can be flipped with retention for a decent return before the deadline and Blueger pushes Evans for the 4C role.

Who says no?

I'm sure that was well received in the Nucks' thread...lol

Gally's total cap hit is 26M over 4 years.
Myers is 6M for one year.

Mtl would have to take on Boeser or Garland too, at least.

My proposal a couple of weeks ago over at the Tyler Myers thread on the main board was:
Gallagher and DeSmith for Myers, Boeser, Pearson and Poolman.
Total cap hits are about the same for both teams.
But i was half trolling...lol

The thinking was that Vancouver was in cap hell and need to win this year if they want to retain Pettersson.
But now, they're somewhat out of cap hell, thanks to MTL.

I think there's simpler ways for them to get rid of Myers' contract.

 

[Bottle Rocket]

Sadly Gally's contract only starts regaining some semblance of value after next year. Last two years he's paid equal or less than his cap hit. Could become somewhat more interesting then if on LTIR-retired like Weber was.

Also much more acceptable if bought out with only one year left.

So we're stuck with him on the 3rd or 4th line this year and as maybe the 13th forward at least next IMO. Suck it up buttercup.

 

[salbutera]

Don't disagree... just hard to envision what player out there might actually be on the block next summer

Nylander, Guentzel & Stamkos are the only UFAs to-be that check the box, and not sure any are still there come July. If they are, the payday they'll seek & get will be silly.

Suzuki, CC, Dach: realistic shot
Slaf, Newhook: possibly
Roy, Mesar, Heineman: unlikely

Best case is that 2-4 of those 7 cross the threshold into ppg/40+g elite territory... then the wealth of assets on hand can be leveraged more for quality veteran help to shore up middle-6 depth, and make sure we upgrade in nets.

That, or winning top 3 pick via lottery, are more likely than us being able to find a trade partner willing to ship out an established elite talent imo

Dach & Newhook were in the Zibenajad mold of acquisition … perhaps that’s their perennial blueprint

 

[Skip Bayless]

Sadly Gally's contract only starts regaining some semblance of value after next year. Last two years he's paid equal or less than his cap hit. Could become somewhat more interesting then if on LTIR-retired like Weber was.

Also much more acceptable if bought out with only one year left.

So we're stuck with him on the 3rd or 4th line this year and as maybe the 13th forward at least next IMO. Suck it up buttercup.

Pitch moi en bas d'un pont calvasse

 

[ML16]

Canucks wouldn't take it. Gally's dumping fee is more than a Barron. Myers is a free agent at the end of the year. I would absolutely pay a Barron to get rid of Gally. I'm pretty fricking annoyed at Bergevin for structuring the contract in a way that makes the buyout cap hit higher than if it had been frontloaded or backloaded.

If Gallagher keeps trending downwards while avoiding LTIR, summer 2025 is indeed the earliest time the Habs can sustainably start thinking about buying his contract out.

A summer 2024 buy-out? 2.16M x 6 years! No go.

A summer 2025 buy-out? 1.75M x 4 years - it might still appear suboptimal, at most tolerable, but I think it could actually be the most affordable (and plausible!) way to get out of Gallagher’s contract if the latter continues to steeply decline.

The alternative? Trading a declining non-LTIRed Gallagher would require a significant incentive - two protected 1st worthy asset maybe? Depending on the remaining term and salary retention of course.

Not worth it to spend assets and/or retain on Gallagher if all it cost in 2025 is 1.75M in buy-out money over 4 years; a 2 years difference with an otherwise likely salary retention term anyways.

 

[VirginiaMtlExpat]

Dach & Newhook were in the Zibenajad mold of acquisition … perhaps that’s their perennial blueprint

Here's hoping. If I were any other GM, I'd refuse to trade with HuGo in the summer; especially if I'd be conceding a young former first-rounder. I'd view them as annoying as h*ll.

 

[Scriptor]

If Gallagher keeps trending downwards while avoiding LTIR, summer 2025 is indeed the earliest time the Habs can sustainably start thinking about buying his contract out.

A summer 2024 buy-out? 2.16M x 6 years! No go.

A summer 2025 buy-out? 1.75M x 4 years - it might still appear suboptimal, at most tolerable, but I think it could actually be the most affordable (and plausible!) way to get out of Gallagher’s contract if the latter continues to steeply decline.

The alternative? Trading a declining non-LTIRed Gallagher would require a significant incentive - two protected 1st worthy asset maybe? Depending on the remaining term and salary retention of course.

Not worth it to spend assets and/or retain on Gallagher if all it cost in 2025 is 1.75M in buy-out money over 4 years; a 2 years difference with an otherwise likely salary retention term anyways.

There is a time bomb built into that contract and there won't be an even cap hit with the buyout. After some years, the Cap hit jumps up because of the contract's structure. It's a horrible contract because you can't plan properly into the future with the Cap because of it. Nomatter what the predominant Cap hit for the buyout is, you need to plan for that spike year all along not to get caught wth your pants down.

Horrible contract.

 

[RationalExpectations]

Was kidding around in a nucks thread, but got me thinking...

To Van
Gallagher, Barron, Lindstrom

To Mtl
Myers, Blueger

Nucks get RD options to test out with Hughes, both cheap and Barron with considerable upside. Take on risk of Gally being what most Habs fan see while hoping he's got a bit more in the tank.

Habs get out from Gally's contract term, paying a steep price in Barron for their trouble. Myers hopefully can be flipped with retention for a decent return before the deadline and Blueger pushes Evans for the 4C role.

Who says no?

VAN says no, nobody touches Gallagher contract without multiple 1sts back.