HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #85 - Offseason Editon

[HuGort]

If Leafs ever want one of our players at deadline get Minten in trade. He's going to be solid center

 

[Beendair Donedat]

Bernard-Docker and Sokolov on waivers in Ottawa.

Sokolov may be worth a look?

 

[HuGort]

They didn’t give him opportunity. He’s spent a lot of time on the 3rd line with no PP time. Not how you develop a blue chip prospect.

If they didn't Hughes no doubt be all over a trade for Laf. If he thinks he can fix him.

 

[SlafySZN]

No. Laf has shown less than RHP. RHP was a goal or two off from him last year year in 50-something less games. He passes the eye test where Laf does not. Take out RHP and add a warm body like Ylonen. Four years post-draft you don't keep your first overall value when you've had an extremely rough start to your career. On top of that he's stuck behind Panarin and Kreider so there's not much room for him to play his way into a higher return. I think they probably offered for Laf before going to Newhook.

RHP was shooting 30% last year.

Laf shown less than RHP? Come on now lol

RHP was still with rimouski in the Q at Laf’s age and one has been in the NHL since he is 18 and has a 40 points season with 215 NHL games. RHP will probably never do that.

 

[Beendair Donedat]

To be fair, Laf might not do it again either. His lack of effort in the preseason so far has been noticeably disappointing.

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

Lafreniere should just request a trade he needs a change of scenery

That being said i dont think Montreal should be a place to go too bcuz of obvious reasons

 

[HuGort]

To be fair, Laf might not do it again either. His lack of effort in the preseason so far has been noticeably disappointing.

Many said same about Dach in Chicago. But if Hughes sees anything in Laf he be here no doubt.

 

[Ezpz]

I think you have to trade one of Harris, Xhekaj, Norlinder, Barron, or even Mailloux this year. We don't have room for them all and if it gets to a point where all of them plus Hutson and Reinbacher are NHL-ready, teams will exploit that to get a discounted player. I have never seen the Habs have this much defensive depth in my life. Even in the Subban-Markov-Gorges years with Tinordi and Beaulieu coming up, the 5 and 6 spots were never hotly contested. Emelin filled in in the top 4 while the prospects were seasoning, but nobody important ever played on our bottom pairing. Tinordi and Beaulieu combined never showed what a lot of these guys already have. Now it's tight even for the #7 spot. Even Trudeau looks as good as Beaulieu ever did in a pre-season. Xhekaj's already shown more offensively, defensively, fighting, and everything else wise than Tinordi ever did.

The question is what can we get for them or what should we even be targeting? Do we go for futures to kick the can down the road and let us increase future depth? Do we try to package them for another Dach situation? The Pens need depth but their youngest player is 25 with no notable prospects except Yager. St. Louis are another team that decided to retool instead of rebuild, but likewise don't have expendable pieces that fit our age group. Maybe package a couple of them for Hanifin extended? Even then I'm not sure he's a target. Oilers obviously need D at all times, but again worst prospect pool in the league and I don't know how their scouts have jobs.

Minnesota would probably be the best place to get maximum value as they need good players on low contracts while they wait out Suter and Parise's buyout penalties for this season and next.

 

[Beendair Donedat]

Many said same about Dach in Chicago. But if Hughes sees anything in Laf he be here no doubt.

Dach had a major major injury to his wrist, and people didn’t know if he would recover. Refresh my memory on which devastating injury that Laf has suffered?

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

I think you have to trade one of Harris, Xhekaj, Norlinder, Barron, or even Mailloux this year.

doesnt need to be this year but by next year i agree some need to go

-Xhekaj i would keep bcuz he brings something we lack

-Mailloux i would also keeps bcuz the potentiel is big but missed alot of hockey so we need to be patient

-Barron i was expecting more from him i havent lost hope yet but he needs a big year imo i guess a trade can be an option if the return is good

-Harris needs to go he can probably land us something decent like a 2nd or prospect

-Norlinder can go too but he has no value

obviously we're a few years away and alot can happen but those 6 are my favorites d prospects

Guhle - Reinbacher
Engstrom - Mailloux
Hutson - Xhekaj

 

[Ezpz]

Dach had a major major injury to his wrist, and people didn’t know if he would recover. Refresh my memory on which devastating injury that Laf has suffered?

His pride when he wasn't gifted a spot over Panarin or Kreider in the top 6. I feel like Laf may just not be a guy who is good with attention. Maybe he likes the New York nightlife and food scene too much or something? For me personally, I feel like anyone who fails in New York is just as likely to fail in Montreal. I think they're the most comparable cities in the NHL (specifically the NHL, other sports are more popular in American cities) for being dangerous for young guys with vices. Nobody knows who you are in LA for example despite many of the similar vices. You're not going to pick up ladies just for being an LA King. Montreal and New York are unique in the sense that hockey players are recognizable and there are a lot of things to do. Toronto doesn't have the comparable nightlife or food (Toronto people will disagree).

 

[ML16]

We've got some really promising prospects. If some pan out or reach their ceiling? We could be a great club. But not all of them will (maybe none will) and we won't know for a while. Hutson for example probably won't even be with the big club for at least another year. RB may be a couple of years away as well.

In 2013 we thought we'd be a bottom feeder but our young players overperformed. That could happen again but I don't think it's this year. What matters now is that guys develop, improve, learn... I don't really care about that stats. The only stat watching I'm really going to look at this year is Caufield going towards 50 goals.

The « Goal Caufield Watch » will be entertaining for sure, but I’m actually more curious about Dach’s production this year; hopefully the latter keeps trending upwards and consolidate his top-6 C role, maybe even « stealing Suzuki’s chair »!

 

[sampollock]

His pride when he wasn't gifted a spot over Panarin or Kreider in the top 6. I feel like Laf may just not be a guy who is good with attention. Maybe he likes the New York nightlife and food scene too much or something? For me personally, I feel like anyone who fails in New York is just as likely to fail in Montreal. I think they're the most comparable cities in the NHL (specifically the NHL, other sports are more popular in American cities) for being dangerous for young guys with vices. Nobody knows who you are in LA for example despite many of the similar vices. You're not going to pick up ladies just for being an LA King. Montreal and New York are unique in the sense that hockey players are recognizable and there are a lot of things to do. Toronto doesn't have the comparable nightlife or food (Toronto people will disagree).

agreed his little feeling was hurt

 

[Ezpz]

We've got some really promising prospects. If some pan out or reach their ceiling? We could be a great club. But not all of them will (maybe none will) and we won't know for a while. Hutson for example probably won't even be with the big club for at least another year. RB may be a couple of years away as well.

In 2013 we thought we'd be a bottom feeder but our young players overperformed. That could happen again but I don't think it's this year. What matters now is that guys develop, improve, learn... I don't really care about that stats. The only stat watching I'm really going to look at this year is Caufield going towards 50 goals.

Markov really is what turned 2013 around. The two Gally's impact was vastly overstated even then. We'd missed Markov for two years and vastly underperformed as a result. When we finished near the bottom in 2012 we were I believe involved in the most 1-goal games in the entire NHL that season. Subban, Price and Patches were already solid contributors for two years at that point. If we'd have sold Markov, Gorges and Plekanec we may have ended up with Mackinnon.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Markov really is what turned 2013 around. The two Gally's impact was vastly overstated even then. We'd missed Markov for two years and vastly underperformed as a result. When we finished near the bottom in 2012 we were I believe involved in the most 1-goal games in the entire NHL that season. Subban, Price and Patches were already solid contributors for two years at that point. If we'd have sold Markov, Gorges and Plekanec we may have ended up with Mackinnon.

Markov was a solid player and made a huge difference. Max, Subban and Price all hit their prime. Eller and Chuck were solid additions… People may not remember this but Price got off to a great start that year and in Feb was voted by GMs as best goalie. Almost immediately he went into a terrible slump. Then in the playoffs that year we were on the verge of forcing a game seven against the Sens. Price got hurt. Our back up gave up a couple of goals and that was the ball game.

The following year we started really well and then Therrien inexplicably put in his ‘system’ and hamstrung what should’ve been a decent offense. Using DD in our first didn’t help either.

I think CC could arrive this year but the D is still so green. I think we’re bottom third again but we’ll see.

 

[Andy]

Could the habs just offer sheet Pinto like 4.2 million? It would cost them a second. Would Ottawa even be able to match?

Edit: I checked, the habs don't have their own second to be able to make it happen. Damn.

I really think Pinto would be a great fit in this lineup.

 

[sampollock]

TB needs a goalie. time to help them out Kent

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

Mailloux for Laf would be funny

 

[ML16]

They don't really have space to sign him and teams are asking a first to take Joseph. I think it would be more realistic to take Joseph and a sweetener for Ylonen.

I concur that Ylonen would be the likeliest/optimal trade bait if the Habs opt for targeting Joseph; a minimum wage winger with some upsides is most probably what Ottawa seeks in order to bridge Pinto around 2.5M AAV.

And in such context, if the incentive added by Ottawa is at least a 2nd round pick - but hopefully the latest of their 2024 1st round picks since the Senators have a weak bargaining position - I’d gladly pull the trigger on such a swap

Joseph is a much better fit than Ylonen structure-wise - and he could actually provide some welcomed midterm grit and experience on the bottom-6 considering Pearson (trade), Dvorak (trade), Armia (bought out) and Gallagher (LTIRed) are all likely not to be on the roster next year.

For instance, the roster for 2024-2025 could (promisingly, especially if the Habs end up drafting one the top-5 forwards next draft; far from inconceivable at this stage since 50% of the projected top-12 are defensemen…) look like this:

Caufield - Suzuki - Slafkovski / 2024 1st
Newhook - Dach - 2024 1st / Slafkovski
Roy - Monahan - Anderson
RHP - Beck - Joseph
Evans, Heineman

 

[1909]

I concur that Ylonen would be the likeliest/optimal trade bait if the Habs opt for targeting Joseph; a minimum wage winger with some upsides is most probably what Ottawa seeks in order to bridge Pinto around 2.5M AAV.

And in such context, if the incentive added by Ottawa is at least a 2nd round pick - but hopefully the latest of their 2024 1st round picks since the Senators have a weak bargaining position - I’d gladly pull the trigger on such a swap

Joseph is a much better fit than Ylonen structure-wise - and he could actually provide some welcomed midterm grit and experience on the bottom-6 considering Pearson (trade), Dvorak (trade), Armia (bought out) and Gallagher (LTIRed) are all likely not to be on the roster next year.

For instance, the roster for 2024-2025 could (promisingly, especially if the Habs end up drafting one the top-5 forwards next draft; far from inconceivable at this stage since 50% of the projected top-12 are defensemen…) look like this:

Caufield - Suzuki - Slafkovski / 2024 1st
Newhook - Dach - 2024 1st / Slafkovski
Roy - Monahan - Anderson
RHP - Beck - Joseph
Evans, Heineman

I strongly doubt Ottawa would make any significant deals with MTL. Joseph would be a great addition to a 3rd line IF Gally was not around anymore.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Lafreniere should just request a trade he needs a change of scenery

That being said i dont think Montreal should be a place to go too bcuz of obvious reasons

I think Gorton/Hughes/MSL are trying to manage those "obvious reasons" out of the culture. The leaders in the Fans group and Media group should also be focusing on that... if they actually care about the Habs like they say they do.

Cultures can change. You just got to want the change to happen. So the question I ask everyone is are you proactive or reactive?

 

[Weltschmerz]

Could the habs just offer sheet Pinto like 4.2 million? It would cost them a second. Would Ottawa even be able to match?

Edit: I checked, the habs don't have their own second to be able to make it happen. Damn.

I really think Pinto would be a great fit in this lineup.

He is not eligable for an offer sheet anyway.

 

[Andy]

He is not eligable for an offer sheet anyway.

BOOOOOOOOOOOO

 

[Habs Halifax]

If Leafs ever want one of our players at deadline get Minten in trade. He's going to be solid center

I think we have enough solid centers at this stage. We are after top end skill. So I think we should be after picks vs guys like Minten... unless we think he can become someone as good as Beck or better?

How does Minten compare to Beck? I will admit, I don't know much about his development resume other than looking up points. Is he WJC quality for team Canada?

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

I think Gorton/Hughes/MSL are trying to manage those "obvious reasons" out of the culture. The leaders in the Fans group and Media group should also be focusing on that... if they actually care about the Habs like they say they do.

Cultures can change. You just got to want the change to happen. So the question I ask everyone is are you proactive or reactive?

Theres nothing HuGo can do about the crazy/idiot fans we have Reinbacher just got death threats right after being drafted in which was suppose to be hes happiest day ever they had to block the comments section bcuz of the hate he was getting

Lafreniere is a former local #1 overall pick who will never live up to hes draft postion because hes simply just not good enough but would also receive ton of hype bcuz hes a former local #1 pick how long do you think fans will endure hes mediocre play Laffy will make it in the Nhl has a decent 3rd liner but hes nothing more

Hes a big pass for me theres better options