HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #85 - Offseason Editon

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Trading Hutson??!!

I hope they don't make the same mistake as they did for Drouin..... Trading a future top pairing defenceman that will produce 50+ pts for a skill winger that will be averaging 50 pts as well.
 
Just trying to figure out what exactly Zegras, Connor and Keller did in their draft+1 years that was so much better than what Slaf did this past year.

You go off on Habs fans in the Michkov thread to shut their mouths and be careful about eating crow. What's the difference there and here? Your subjective opinion that Michkov will be a stud and Slaf is a failure. For the record, I abstain from celebrating Michkov's slow start, because I still believe in him. I still believe in Slaf too. There is no one on this site that I hope eats crow more than you.

Waiting for your justification for the hate and comparison of Zegras, Connor and Keller incoming. The never ending argument. God I can't wait for the season to begin.

Well said :clap:
 
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What about Mailloux?
Mailloux alohas home run potential, IMO. The beauty of all this is that we have a shutdown D playing RD (with offensive upside) for an offense-first LD in Hutson and, also, another shutdown LD in Guhle (also with offensive upside) to play with an offense-first RHD in Mailloux.

Plus, those shutdown Ds can pair up (Guhle-Reinbacher), depending on the game situation.
 
Trading Hutson??!!

I hope they don't make the same mistake as they did for Drouin..... Trading a future top pairing defenceman that will produce 50+ pts for a skill winger that will be averaging 50 pts as well.
How you are comparing the two is mind-numbing, none of the players targeted for Hutson are strictly 50-point producers and Hutson may well only be a 2nd pairing LD, needing a shutdown D as a partner to shield his defensive liabilities, or a 3rd pairing D that is also used as a PP specialist.

It could well be a mistake, in the end, but, in no way comparable to the example you mention as a scarecrow.

What do you think it would cost for Keller who produces at a PPG+ pace and is a repeat 25+ goal-scorer, including a 39-goal season last year, by the age of 24?

Armia and Harris?
 
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I hear what you are saying... but none of Keller, Connor etc (& definitely not Zegras) are in the same stratosphere as Makar.

At 24, already a Norris & Smythe winner & over ppg for his career...

He's generational talent.

If Hutson becomes anything close to that it would have been a massive blunder to have moved him for the guys being discussed here, even with our strong D-pool.
Zegras is more offensively gifted than Keller or Connor. He may not be the compete package though. I wouldn't trade Zegras in my points only keeper league but I would probably take Keller or Connor over him for the Canadiens.
 
Zegras is more offensively gifted than Keller or Connor. He may not be the compete package though. I wouldn't trade Zegras in my points only keeper league but I would probably take Keller or Connor over him for the Canadiens.

Gifted maybe, but both Keller and Connor put up more offensive production at the same age and imo are better overall performers.

Will be interesting to see what Zegras does over next 2-3 seasons & wether he puts in the work to turn that talent into the elite level output both Keller and Connor were able to get to by their mid-20s
 
I think if Hughes want MTL to be an offense first kind of team he cannot trade Hutson, Reinbacher is the only Dman with top pairing potential. For the second pairing, Guhle seems to be on the way to be a good two way dman in the making, but if he keeps getting injured maybe the Habs will need another guy to fill in. Barron seems like a good 4D bringing dynamic offense while progressing defensively.

I can t really see a better fit than Xhekaj in the bottom pairing (physical and able to move the puck). Engstrom could be a good option, Harris too in order to be a 6D / maybe one of them could develop into a good second pairing fill in when Guhle is injured.

That leaves one of Harris, Engstrom, and Struble, Mailloux as trade options. I am not sure they would fetch anything great at this point to be fair.
 
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Just trying to figure out what exactly Zegras, Connor and Keller did in their draft+1 years that was so much better than what Slaf did this past year.
We're talking about the present and going forward. What's better for the Suzuki-Caufield Habs core: an established player capable of PPG and more (Keller or Connor) or a player who's meant to hit his ceiling in 4 years (if everything goes well and he doesn't suffer any more catastrophic injuries)? What's a better kind of player to support the Suzuki-Caufield core: a high-end dangler with boatloads of puck skills confidence (Zegras) or a player who has major deficiencies in his understanding of the on-ice game and is considered a big-time project?
You go off on Habs fans in the Michkov thread to shut their mouths and be careful about eating crow. What's the difference there and here? Your subjective opinion that Michkov will be a stud and Slaf is a failure. For the record, I abstain from celebrating Michkov's slow start, because I still believe in him.
I think Habs fans like to trash other prospects who other Habs fans liked. Shane Wright was mocked and attacked and remains persona non grata in the Habs commentary space; now Matvei Michkov's (premature) demise is celebrated and Habs fans flood discussions about the prospect with half-baked sideswipes; some even attack Frank Nazar.

There is a reason why Habs and Leafs fans are considered awful and it is this obsessive and obnoxious culture that centres their teams in every hockey discussion. Some of us are sick of it.

I'm glad you didn't celebrate the slow start of a prospect who has nothing to do with the Habs. You've passed a very, very low bar. I hope you can pat yourself on the back for me.
I still believe in Slaf too. There is no one on this site that I hope eats crow more than you.
I believe you. Good luck with all that. I don't want Slaf to bust out either, it would be devastating to the organization and undermine all of HuGoBo + the new development dork + Lecavalier + even a bit MSL.
Waiting for your justification for the hate and comparison of Zegras, Connor and Keller incoming. The never ending argument. God I can't wait for the season to begin.
Let's be proactive: what do you expect to see from Slafkovsky in his D+2?

Clayton Keller D+2: 65 in 82gp... 0.79ppg
This was his rookie season in the NHL. Slafkovsky who is significantly larger than Keller got 10 pts in 39gp... 0.256ppg

Trevor Zegras D+2: 13 in 24gp (21 in 17 in the AHL)... 0.54ppg (1.23ppg in the AHL)
This was his rookie season in the NHL. Slafkovsky who is significantly larger than Zegras got 10 pts in 39gp... 0.256ppg

Kyle Connor D+2: 5 in 20gp (44 in 52 in the AHL) .... 0.25ppg (0.846ppg in the AHL)
This was his rookie season in the NHL. Slafkovsky who isn't much taller but significantly heavier than Connor got 10 in 39gp... 0.256ppg

Their D+1 seasons were not spent getting head trauma in the NHL and accomplishing little else. They weren't rushed as badly as Slafkovsky was rushed in his rookie season. My criticism all of last season was clearly aimed at the Habs who have badly rushed yet another high draft pick.

But since you're so certain I will eat crow, why don't you propose what you think Slaf will get in his D+2/Sophomore season.
 
Tbh i think Hutson might be the guy out for a deal, on the left side we have too many prospects, Hutson could get us a huge return (If a GM thinks he's really the next Makar) AND there is a lot of question marks because of his size and skating.
If Hutson could land us a Clayton Keller, where do I sign?

I'd do Slaf for Zegras too.
 
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We're talking about the present and going forward. What's better for the Suzuki-Caufield Habs core: an established player capable of PPG and more (Keller or Connor) or a player who's meant to hit his ceiling in 4 years (if everything goes well and he doesn't suffer any more catastrophic injuries)? What's a better kind of player to support the Suzuki-Caufield core: a high-end dangler with boatloads of puck skills confidence (Zegras) or a player who has major deficiencies in his understanding of the on-ice game and is considered a big-time project?

I think Habs fans like to trash other prospects who other Habs fans liked. Shane Wright was mocked and attacked and remains persona non grata in the Habs commentary space; now Matvei Michkov's (premature) demise is celebrated and Habs fans flood discussions about the prospect with half-baked sideswipes; some even attack Frank Nazar.

There is a reason why Habs and Leafs fans are considered awful and it is this obsessive and obnoxious culture that centres their teams in every hockey discussion. Some of us are sick of it.

I'm glad you didn't celebrate the slow start of a prospect who has nothing to do with the Habs. You've passed a very, very low bar. I hope you can pat yourself on the back for me.

I believe you. Good luck with all that. I don't want Slaf to bust out either, it would be devastating to the organization and undermine all of HuGoBo + the new development dork + Lecavalier + even a bit MSL.

Let's be proactive: what do you expect to see from Slafkovsky in his D+2?

Clayton Keller D+2: 65 in 82gp... 0.79ppg
This was his rookie season in the NHL. Slafkovsky who is significantly larger than Keller got 10 pts in 39gp... 0.256ppg

Trevor Zegras D+2: 13 in 24gp (21 in 17 in the AHL)... 0.54ppg (1.23ppg in the AHL)
This was his rookie season in the NHL. Slafkovsky who is significantly larger than Zegras got 10 pts in 39gp... 0.256ppg

Kyle Connor D+2: 5 in 20gp (44 in 52 in the AHL) .... 0.25ppg (0.846ppg in the AHL)
This was his rookie season in the NHL. Slafkovsky who isn't much taller but significantly heavier than Connor got 10 in 39gp... 0.256ppg

Their D+1 seasons were not spent getting head trauma in the NHL and accomplishing little else. They weren't rushed as badly as Slafkovsky was rushed in his rookie season. My criticism all of last season was clearly aimed at the Habs who have badly rushed yet another high draft pick.

But since you're so certain I will eat crow, why don't you propose what you think Slaf will get in his D+2/Sophomore season.

Well here's the thing. I am not going to engage with you and your predictions and constant shitting on Slaf. I'll sit back and hope for the positive outcome that I believe Slaf will be in the future. I can't believe Molson hasn't tracked you down and offered you a GM contract seeing as you know so much more than HuGo and Marty. Maybe youre still an Expat and can't be found.
 
Well here's the thing. I am not going to engage with you and your predictions and constant shitting on Slaf. I'll sit back and hope for the positive outcome that I believe Slaf will be in the future. I can't believe Molson hasn't tracked you down and offered you a GM contract seeing as you know so much more than HuGo and Marty. Maybe youre still an Expat and can't be found.

Waitin: *Engages with ReHabs on Slaf*

ReHabs: *Makes arguments*

Waitin: I DON'T WANT TO ENGAGE WITH YOU
 
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Well here's the thing. I am not going to engage with you and your predictions and constant shitting on Slaf. I'll sit back and hope for the positive outcome that I believe Slaf will be in the future. I can't believe Molson hasn't tracked you down and offered you a GM contract seeing as you know so much more than HuGo and Marty. Maybe youre still an Expat and can't be found.
Lovely chat, typical.

Waitin: *Engages with ReHabs on Slaf*

ReHabs: *Makes arguments*

Waitin: I DON'T WANT TO ENGAGE WITH YOU
Apparently you have to be the GM… in order to criticize the moves of a GM. C’est typique. Mindless.

Same thing as always, it’s as if the Bergevin cult never happened and nobody learned anything.
 
Trading our gigantic LD depth for forward(s) is something we must be prepared to do giving the makeup of this team pipeline. I don't know if Zegras is the guy, a little bit too much of a hothead for Montreal, but I'm not against the idea either, even for Hutson.
 
Trading our gigantic LD depth for forward(s) is something we must be prepared to do giving the makeup of this team pipeline. I don't know if Zegras is the guy, a little bit too much of a hothead for Montreal, but I'm not against the idea either, even for Hutson.
Isn’t Anaheim stacked with defense prospects?
 
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