HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #85 - Offseason Editon

[GTA]

Canadiens do NOT need a 100 pt centre. Vegas doesn't have one. Suzuki and Dach will likely be close anyway in a couple of years.

Dude hate to burst your bubble but Suzuki is very likely hit his offensive potential. Players peak offensively at 21-24.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Dude hate to burst your bubble but Suzuki is very likely hit his offensive potential. Players peak offensively at 21-24.

Not when they go from a trash team to a good team. Lehkonen finally put up points at 28. Suzuki hasn't had 2 really good linemates yet, or a PP coach or a #1 d for the PP. He should reach 80 pts soon.

 

[SlafySZN]

Dude hate to burst your bubble but Suzuki is very likely hit his offensive potential. Players peak offensively at 21-24.

From his development standpoint probably, he won’t develop more tools or skills. But he could still score more points once he gets more around him.

 

[Rapala]

Dude hate to burst your bubble but Suzuki is very likely hit his offensive potential. Players peak offensively at 21-24.

This is flat out wrong. Looking at centers only off the top of my head. Stamkos 10th season JT Miller 10th season Elias Lindholm 8th season Connor McDavid 8th season all say HELLO.

 

[Sterling Archer]

Dude hate to burst your bubble but Suzuki is very likely hit his offensive potential. Players peak offensively at 21-24.

Players aren’t even physically mature until 24-25. 24-28 are generally their peak years. Starts trailing off by then. Add in quality of linemates which also makes a material difference.

 

[BaseballCoach]

Dude hate to burst your bubble but Suzuki is very likely hit his offensive potential. Players peak offensively at 21-24.

The trend the last five years is for the majority of better players to keep improving in years 5 and 6 in the league.

 

[GTA]

This is flat out wrong. Looking at centers only off the top of my head. Stamkos 10th season JT Miller 10th season Elias Lindholm 8th season Connor McDavid 8th season all say HELLO.

You’re citing specific cases. We know based on statistics where players peak. There is nothing to suggest that he is an exception, hence why I say ‘very likely’.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

You’re citing specific cases. We know based on statistics where players peak. There is nothing to suggest that he is an exception, hence why I say ‘very likely’.

The reasons have been stated. The major one is that he has played for a crap team so far. He should easily be capable of 15-20 more points.

 

[GTA]

The trend the last five years is for the majority of better players to keep improving in yrears 5 and 6 in the league.

Can you source stats on that? Genuinely curious if new data has come out.

Players aren’t even physically mature until 24-25. 24-28 are generally their peak years. Starts trailing off by then. Add in quality of linemates which also makes a material difference.

Cite me one study that shows 28 is still a peak offensive year for a player and I’ll eat my shoe.

 

[Sterling Archer]

Can you source stats on that? Genuinely curious if new data has come out.

Cite me one study that shows 28 is still a peak offensive year for a player and I’ll eat my shoe.

I hope it’s a soft leather shoe.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/271172145_Estimating_the_effects_of_age_on_NHL_player_performance#:~:text=Our%20best%20estimate%20of%20the,and%2024%20to%2034%2C%20respectively.

Our best estimate of the scoring peak age is between 27 and 28 for forwards and between 28 and 29 for defencemen. Both forwards and defencemen exhibit near-peak performance over a wide range, going from about 24 to 32 and 24 to 34, respectively.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

With how team is trending, was doing that trade and committing that much term and money to Kadri the right decision?

He’s the leafs problem now. Haha

Can you source stats on that? Genuinely curious if new data has come out.

Cite me one study that shows 28 is still a peak offensive year for a player and I’ll eat my shoe.

It isn’t.

 

[Sterling Archer]

He’s the leafs problem now. Haha


It isn’t.

It is.

 

[DAChampion]

You’re citing specific cases. We know based on statistics where players peak. There is nothing to suggest that he is an exception, hence why I say ‘very likely’.

Can you show these alleged stats? I bet there's a sample bias.

And we know they're not universal.

The ignorance of statistics from people who spout hockey stats like they're a law is astounding.

FYI just the Poisson noise on 64 points is ... 8 points.

 

[Rapala]

You’re citing specific cases. We know based on statistics where players peak. There is nothing to suggest that he is an exception, hence why I say ‘very likely’.

I didn't even research this. I already knew about some of these guys because they were being compared to Suzuki who is still progressing. I looked up the following prolific scorers Yzerman Sakic Kane Thornton Gretzky. They all had their best production at 25 or older. Did you base your statement on Crosby Malkin and Ovechkin? I have to assume if you base your findings on the top 30% of the league the average age would be 26. I haven't even looked at defensemen who will rarely have their most productive season at 23. I really don't care about bottom 6 players they are irrelevant when talking production.

 

[Miller Time]

It isn’t.

Oooff... Bet you wish you had checked the post above yours b4 posting this beaut take lol

 

[ReimanSum1908]

Last, best evidence that I encountered is that players reach their prime, on average, at around 24 and stay there for three years, as conventional wisdom has held for decades.

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A New Look at Aging Curves for NHL Skaters (part 2)

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[DAChampion]

I didn't even research this. I already knew about some of these guys because they were being compared to Suzuki who is still progressing. I looked up the following prolific scorers Yzerman Sakic Kane Thornton Gretzky. They all had their best production at 25 or older. Did you base your statement on Crosby Malkin and Ovechkin? I have to assume if you base your findings on the top 30% of the league the average age would be 26. I haven't even looked at defensemen who will rarely have their most productive season at 23. I really don't care about bottom 6 players they are irrelevant when talking production.

Most of the people who discuss "advanced" stats in hockey are inept at stats, they may not have used stats in any real world setting or even taken the second undergraduate course in stats, but they think they know everything.

I'm going to take a guess about this claim that players peak at 21 or whatever. It's a biased results that includes a lot of the busts, flameouts, and injured players such as Galchenyuk and Patrick O'Donnell and Marc Savard.

Obviously that could happen for Suzuki but it's not what we're hoping for.

 

[ZUKI]

Dude hate to burst your bubble but Suzuki is very likely hit his offensive potential. Players peak offensively at 21-24.

Be happy because you aren't closed to burst his bubble. Enjoy .

 

[Kimota]

Dude hate to burst your bubble but Suzuki is very likely hit his offensive potential. Players peak offensively at 21-24.

Outside of AO and Sid, it's more like at 27.

 

[HuGort]

wonder why he did not get a 1st last deadline? what has changed?

Injuries I imagine

 

[Vachon23]

 

[Vachon23]

 

[xposbrad]

What round draft pick are we getting to take on Petry? Shouldn’t be less than second.

 

[Skip Bayless]

Gallagher to SJ pls

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Gallagher to SJ pls

Should have prayed, or meditated, or whatever this is more.