HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #85 - Offseason Editon

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Disappointed we didn’t manage to do another Monahan like trade this summer, I thought that would be a possibility. Would be nice to have another two first round draft picks for the 2024 draft.

Unfortunately I don’t see how we acquire another first round pick with our underwhelming roster.

For 2023-2024, I think acquiring another 1st round pick would more likely come leveraging the Habs' cap space rather than selling a player - but even then, it'd be a steep hill to climb.

As for potential targets for this strategy before the season starts, the two most obvious team would be Toronto and Pittsburgh; they must must each shed 2-3M AAV to be cap compliant.

Toronto's likeliest candidate for a cap compliancy trade appear to be Brodie (5M AAV, expiring UFA). For Pittsburgh, I guess either Carter (3.125M AAV, expiring UFA), Grandlund (5M AAV, 2 years) or Petry (6.25M AAV, 2 years).

Problem is, the Habs simply don't have room to take on a "cap dump" player on their roster like they did at the time with Monahan - and especially no room whatsoever for yet another defenseman.

Montreal's role in cap relief trades could thus be limited in the short term to "salary retainer" in a 3-way deal - and this second fiddle role usually only gets second-rate asset. Unless maybe the salary retainer's fee the Habs could leverage by retaining 50% on Grandlund/Petry for 2 years generates one. But would it be worth it?
 
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Disappointed we didn’t manage to do another Monahan like trade this summer, I thought that would be a possibility. Would be nice to have another two first round draft picks for the 2024 draft.

Unfortunately I don’t see how we acquire another first round pick with our underwhelming roster.

I think the plan is to start the season without Price on LTIR so when the season starts they LTIR him and gain cap space (and avoid performance bonus penalties next year).

At TDL the extra cap (including Price) could be used to retain or receive a player + pick
 
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I get the treat the vets right part, but this is why you're seeing more and more players force trades to where they want.

You're getting paid a lot to perform, you're not performing and people are expecting teams to coddle them.

f*** that, you really think if any of us underperform at our jobs we're not going to get fired ?

You suck, you get waived. You still get your paycheque, unlike a lot of us.
Management have to get smart and start insisting on a Non Performance Clause attached to any long term contract with a Non Movement stipulation. This trend of players unilaterally opting out of contracts is complete bullshit. There should also be very heavy fines attached to going public with trade demands. Enough with the agent manipulation. The team and only the team should have control over what gets released to the media. Looked at very closely this is definitely a form of tampering that should be outlawed.
 
Term.

He will only have one year left after this year, with the cap scheduled to go up. So a team can have him for 2 play-off runs and not worry about it hurting their salary structure.
True. It's also possible/probable the we may need to retain a portion of his 4.5M salary for a 1st. I could see Hughes biting the bullet for that final year.
 
Trade Ideas with non-compliant salary cap teams:

Scenario A - Toronto:

i. Brodie + 2024 1st vs Future considerations (Toronto saves 5M AAV)

ii. Brodie vs Armia + 2024 3rd (Toronto saves 1.6M now; Habs save 3.4M later)

Scenario B - Pittsburgh:

i. Petry + 2024 1st + 2025 2nd vs Future considerations (Pittsburg saves 6.25M for 2 years)

ii. Petry + 2024 1st vs Armia (Pittsburg saves 2.85M for 2 years)

iii. Carter + 2025 2nd vs Future considerations (Pittsburgh save 3.125M)

Feasibility/Follow-up required to enact Scenario A/B:

Be it Brodie or Petry, the Habs however don’t have the room to keep the acquired cap dump on the roster; using a retention spot to send him away as soon as acquired thus seem logical.

Bearing that mind, it essentially amounts to a 3-way deal dynamic and pulling the trigger entails that the Habs find a way to convince the team where Brodie/Petry ultimately lands that Montreal’s role in the trade warrants a high draft pick, not only the usual mid-rounder incentive.

In that regard, Brodie is not the optimal candidate: retaining 2.5M over 1 year only is not enough to warrant a high incentive.

Petry however is another story; retaining 3.125M until the end of 2024-2025 (6.25M) is substantial, to say nothing of the fact that Petry half-price could later be resold by the acquiring team at 25%; Petry @ 1.6M on an expiring deal could fetch quality asset(s) on TDL 2025.

Considering this, a more feasible Scenario C could involve both Pittsburgh and Anaheim:

Pittsburgh : Saves 6.25M in cap space for 2 years; becomes cap compliant and has about 3M leeway for further moves.

Montreal : Retains 3.125M in salary for 2 years and obtains Pittsburgh 2024 1st because of Petry’s remaining term; probably the best odds of an impactful retention spot when compared with Monahan (already under 2M), Hoffman, Armia or Dvorak this year.

Anaheim : Obtains Petry at 50% and Pittsburgh’s 2024 or 2025 2nd. Petry’s reduced salary shouldn’t hinder Zegras and Drysdale’s new deals, he can still pull 30-40 points seasons and Anaheim also banks on reselling Petry at 25% next year to further optimise the initial deal.

Win-win-win?
 
Trade Ideas with non-compliant salary cap teams:

Scenario A - Toronto:

i. Brodie + 2024 1st vs Future considerations (Toronto saves 5M AAV)

ii. Brodie vs Armia + 2024 3rd (Toronto saves 1.6M now; Habs save 3.4M later)

Scenario B - Pittsburgh:

i. Petry + 2024 1st + 2025 2nd vs Future considerations (Pittsburg saves 6.25M for 2 years)

ii. Petry + 2024 1st vs Armia (Pittsburg saves 2.85M for 2 years)

iii. Carter + 2025 2nd vs Future considerations (Pittsburgh save 3.125M)

Feasibility/Follow-up required to enact Scenario A/B:

Be it Brodie or Petry, the Habs however don’t have the room to keep the acquired cap dump on the roster; using a retention spot to send him away as soon as acquired thus seem logical.

Bearing that mind, it essentially amounts to a 3-way deal dynamic and pulling the trigger entails that the Habs find a way to convince the team where Brodie/Petry ultimately lands that Montreal’s role in the trade warrants a high draft pick, not only the usual mid-rounder incentive.

In that regard, Brodie is not the optimal candidate: retaining 2.5M over 1 year only is not enough to warrant a high incentive.

Petry however is another story; retaining 3.125M until the end of 2024-2025 (6.25M) is substantial, to say nothing of the fact that Petry half-price could later be resold by the acquiring team at 25%; Petry @ 1.6M on an expiring deal could fetch quality asset(s) on TDL 2025.

Considering this, a more feasible Scenario C could involve both Pittsburgh and Anaheim:

Pittsburgh : Saves 6.25M in cap space for 2 years; becomes cap compliant and has about 3M leeway for further moves.

Montreal : Retains 3.125M in salary for 2 years and obtains Pittsburgh 2024 1st because of Petry’s remaining term; probably the best odds of an impactful retention spot when compared with Monahan (already under 2M), Hoffman, Armia or Dvorak this year.

Anaheim : Obtains Petry at 50% and Pittsburgh’s 2024 or 2025 2nd. Petry’s reduced salary shouldn’t hinder Zegras and Drysdale’s new deals, he can still pull 30-40 points seasons and Anaheim also banks on reselling Petry at 25% next year to further optimise the initial deal.

Win-win-win?

The Habs are trying to remove a clog at defense, not add to it.
 
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The Habs are trying to remove a clog at defense, not add to it.

Exactly, that’s why I concluded with a scenario in which the veteran RHD ultimately has to land to a third party - Anaheim or any other team that could use Petry in the short-term and sell him again next year - the Habs simply collecting a high pick for retaining salary over 2 years.
 
Why not? How are you gonna fit all our young Ds in the coming years (and our young Fs)?

Guhle, Xhekaj, Barron, Harris are all locked NHL players. The staff seems really high on Mailloux and he might even make the team in october. Then youve got Reinbacher and Hutson who will be full time NHLer by 2024-25. Oh, and Engstrom is awesome and close too. So, youre just gonna block a couple of those guys in order to keep good’ol Matheson? Nah, that would be bad assets management especially since Matheson might fetch a hell of a return this year assuming he plays like he did last year.

Then its the same at forward. Roy, Beck, Heineman, Farrell and Mesar who shoule all be NHL ready by 24-25. No place for an ageing Anderson. Cash out while you can.

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Plus the guys we will draft this year in the top 10 and Mesar. Theres no
A 30 year old defenceman with good legs is closer in relevance to a 25 year old forward than to a 30 year old forward.

Plus Matheson's contract is cheaper than Anderson's!

Moving Matheson to make room for a young promising D is not like moving Anderson. It is like moving Suzuki to make room for a young promising forward. Never say never, but there are far more attractive options.
 
It’s not over.
....till it's over?

Hoffman will light it up in the pre-season, start the year flanking Suzuki - CC, going PPG in the first 20-30games...
Hughes will trade him for a 1st & prospect (a la Toffoli), and the usual suspects will complain that we didn't get enough in return/should've extended him.

One can dream, no?
Dream about what? Trading or extending Hoffman?
 
To Nash
Wideman, Pitlick, conditional 2nd (Avs '24) if less than 50 nhl games it becomes a '25 3rd.

To Mtl
Barrie
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To AZ.
Harris, Hoff 50%, Armia

To Mtl
Schwartz
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To SJ
Dvorak

To Mtl
Kunin
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CC - Suzuki - Schwartz
Anderson - Dach - RHP
Slaf - Monahan - Newhook
Kunin - Evans - Gally
Pez, Ylonen

Matheson - Savard
Guhle - Barron
Xhekaj - Barrie
Kovacevic
 
To Nash
Wideman, Pitlick, conditional 2nd (Avs '24) if less than 50 nhl games it becomes a '25 3rd.

To Mtl
Barrie
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To AZ.
Harris, Hoff 50%, Armia

To Mtl
Schwartz
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To SJ
Dvorak

To Mtl
Kunin
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CC - Suzuki - Schwartz
Anderson - Dach - RHP
Slaf - Monahan - Newhook
Kunin - Evans - Gally
Pez, Ylonen

Matheson - Savard
Guhle - Barron
Xhekaj - Barrie
Kovacevic
I'd like to get Kunin
 
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