HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #85 - Offseason Editon

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If Pittsburgh needs cap space to trade for Karlsson I would be down to take on Granlund for 1 of their 1sts in 2025 or 2026. Their core will be ancient by then.

Bonus points if we can give them Hoffman or Armia retained as well
Something will happen in the following weeks. Habs have Primeau, Pezz, Beaudin and Ylonen that will need to go through waivers. Hoff is not part of future plans and Armia is becoming another burden. Gally and Allen are the other contracts the Habs would certainly want to move on from, although Allen is HuGo's mistake.
 
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Something will happen in the following weeks. Habs have Primeau, Pezz, Beaudin and Ylonen that will need to go through waivers. Hoff is not part of future plans and Armia is becoming another burden. Gally and Allen are the other contracts the Habs would certainly to move on from, although Allen is HuGo's mistake.
Didn’t Ylonen sign a 2-way deal?
 
Swayman is younger then Monty.

Not necessarily think that Swaymen is the long term solution but 1 vs 1 against Sam, you take it and run

* 2 year age difference (age 24 vs 26)

* One is RFA needing a new contract after a great season on a great team (trap). The other is on a $1M contract and then UFA.

* I bet you Monty has similar numbers if he played on the Bruins last year.

Stay put. Neither goalie is a 5+ year solution and I like the progress Monty has had with the Habs. Good piece to have during our transition seasons.
 
Something will happen in the following weeks. Habs have Primeau, Pezz, Beaudin and Ylonen that will need to go through waivers. Hoff is not part of future plans and Armia is becoming another burden. Gally and Allen are the other contracts the Habs would certainly want to move on from, although Allen is HuGo's mistake.

Putting guys on Waivers is going to be more common with the Habs in the next 5-7 years. Our prospect pool is full with all the picks we have had. Something we are going to have to live with so proper evaluation on our prospects is key moving forward.

Hoffman may still be moved. Hard to say but I know they will keep trying. It's just difficult to move a contract right now. Armia may be in the same boat but he has one more year in term I believe.

Gallagher is almost impossible to move.

I don't mind having Allen one bit. Loose Primeau to waivers? Sure, no big loss. If he was reaching his potential, we would have seen flashes of it more by now.

Ylonen might get claimed (50/50 chance). Are we loosing a future top 6F or a middle 6F type if he gets claimed?
 
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Something will happen in the following weeks. Habs have Primeau, Pezz, Beaudin and Ylonen that will need to go through waivers. Hoff is not part of future plans and Armia is becoming another burden. Gally and Allen are the other contracts the Habs would certainly want to move on from, although Allen is HuGo's mistake.
Not really. The biggest loss out of any of those is Pezzetta because he's a different forward than the rest of the team for the most part.

Doubt Primeau gets claimed. Beaudin I'd bet money he won't.

Pezz might because of the style of game he plays.

Ylonen might as he's cheap and a team might look for the potential, but really wouldn't be surprised if no one picks him up.

I can see this team keeping Hoffman around just to see if they can keep his trade deadline value at almost a 6th round pick, but I hope they don't. Waive him and maybe he refuses and you can terminate his contract, or something.
 
Not really. The biggest loss out of any of those is Pezzetta because he's a different forward than the rest of the team for the most part.

Doubt Primeau gets claimed. Beaudin I'd bet money he won't.

Pezz might because of the style of game he plays.

Ylonen might as he's cheap and a team might look for the potential, but really wouldn't be surprised if no one picks him up.

I can see this team keeping Hoffman around just to see if they can keep his trade deadline value at almost a 6th round pick, but I hope they don't. Waive him and maybe he refuses and you can terminate his contract, or something.

I doubt Pezzetta gets claimed. Ylonen is 50/50 IMO.

We are not keeping Hoffman around to "showcase" him so we can trade him for better value. We are stuck with him because there is only a few teams who can fit him in their cap. What would be the point of trading him for another NHL contract? Defeats the purpose. We would have to at least add a 2nd rounder to move him.
 
* 2 year age difference (age 24 vs 26)

* One is RFA needing a new contract after a great season on a great team (trap). The other is on a $1M contract and then UFA.

* I bet you Monty has similar numbers if he played on the Bruins last year.

Stay put. Neither goalie is a 5+ year solution and I like the progress Monty has had with the Habs. Good piece to have during our transition seasons.
Swayman is looking for 4.5M or a bit more.
 
Swayman is looking for 4.5M or a bit more.

Yeah, I pass on that. Even doing that for 3 years is risky IMO.

It will be interesting to see what Monty does this year because I believe the team will be better. What kind of contract will Monty ask for then? Can't imagine he has a season like Swayman on the Bruins last year so maybe Monty can be extended around $2M-$3M range. That would be my guess.. Monty gets extended for 3 years at $2.5M playing on a improving team during that term. Has to keep up with his good play though.
 
Swayman is looking for 4.5M or a bit more.
That’s his arbitration ask.
it would be nice if it was like baseball and the arbitrator had to choose the team or player numbers, then potentially the bruins could be in a tight spot if Swayman was awarded his full ask
 
That’s his arbitration ask.
it would be nice if it was like baseball and the arbitrator had to choose the team or player numbers, then potentially the bruins could be in a tight spot if Swayman was awarded his full ask

Who are the Bruins centers heading into this season? Coyle & Zacha?

I'm surprised to see them in cap hell. They don't even have Bergeron, Krejci, Hall, Bertuzzi
 
Who are the Bruins centers heading into this season? Coyle & Zacha?

I'm surprised to see them in cap hell. They don't even have Bergeron, Krejci, Hall, Bertuzzi

The Bruins have about 5.5M left to sign a G2 (Swayman) and at least one forward (Frederic); they should be able to squeeze both under the cap if Swayman’s awarded less than 3.5M. Otherwise, they’ll have to do a further move, either trade Swayman’s rights, or more likely selling Forbort’s expiring-UFA 3M AAV contract - or maybe DeBrusk’s expiring 4M AAV, if they’re looking for a better return.

As for their centerline, barring a surprise promotion from within (the Bruins don’t seem have a go-to C prospect ready as it stands), it’s looking like: Zacha-Coyle-M.Geekie-Brown; a rather underwhelming quatuor insofar as Zacha and Coyle are good middle-6 C, but lack the offensive acumen to compensate for the drop of talent in wingers from the first line (Marchand-Pastrnak) to the second (Van Riemsdyk-DeBrusk).

This being said, even if the Bruins’ offense should be far less potent than last year, their top-4 on D remains great (Grzelcyk-McAvoy + Lindholm-Carlo) and should contribute significantly to ease the transition woes from Bergeron and Krejci’s departures.
 
The Bruins have about 5.5M left to sign a G2 (Swayman) and at least one forward (Frederic); they should be able to squeeze both under the cap if Swayman’s awarded less than 3.5M. Otherwise, they’ll have to do a further move, either trade Swayman’s rights, or more likely selling Forbort’s expiring-UFA 3M AAV contract - or maybe DeBrusk’s expiring 4M AAV, if they’re looking for a better return.

As for their centerline, barring a surprise promotion from within (the Bruins don’t seem have a go-to C prospect ready as it stands), it’s looking like: Zacha-Coyle-M.Geekie-Brown; a rather underwhelming quatuor insofar as Zacha and Coyle are good middle-6 C, but lack the offensive acumen to compensate for the drop of talent in wingers from the first line (Marchand-Pastrnak) to the second (Van Riemsdyk-DeBrusk).

This being said, even if the Bruins’ offense should be far less potent than last year, their top-4 on D remains great (Grzelcyk-McAvoy + Lindholm-Carlo) and should contribute significantly to ease the transition woes from Bergeron and Krejci’s departures.

I think they will still chase the playoffs but I don't see them finishing top 3 in the division. They will be in the wild card race IMO.

Loosing centers like that is a big deal. Still have good parts in other areas but there has to be impacts to that.
 
Boston is also sitting at 13 forwards and 8 d, so they could send 1 and 1 down to free up more space to sign Swayman.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Bruins were trying to trade one of them (goalies) and didn't get the offer they were hoping because I wouldn't trust either goalie to be a team's number 1.

They had an amazing season, but the Bruins as a whole just functioned so well.

Will be interesting to see how they both do this year.
 
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As much as I agree I'd like to waive Hoffman/Armia to make room for younger players this year, I think it could come back to bite us when we're ready to take the next step and sign FAs. Building up a reputation as treating vets 'right' has the potential to go a long way in a couple years imo.

Personally the only way I see one of Hoffman/Armia waived is if they have zero compete/urgency in training camp, the younger guys blow them out of the water, or they show up completely out of shape. Gallagher is a leader on the team, I think 3rd or 4th line is fine for him since we're not looking to make the playoffs anyways.

If Dvorak is hurt to start the season and RHP (waiver exempt) is sent down it gives flexibility up front. And if Dvorak is healthy then I have no problems waiving Pitlick, he doesn't seem to be part of the future. Waive Wideman on the back-end and that leaves 14F, 7D, 2G.

I don't see an immediate need to trade at the moment to open up a roster spot, but things can change quickly of course.
 
As much as I agree I'd like to waive Hoffman/Armia to make room for younger players this year, I think it could come back to bite us when we're ready to take the next step and sign FAs. Building up a reputation as treating vets 'right' has the potential to go a long way in a couple years imo.

Personally the only way I see one of Hoffman/Armia waived is if they have zero compete/urgency in training camp, the younger guys blow them out of the water, or they show up completely out of shape. Gallagher is a leader on the team, I think 3rd or 4th line is fine for him since we're not looking to make the playoffs anyways.

If Dvorak is hurt to start the season and RHP (waiver exempt) is sent down it gives flexibility up front. And if Dvorak is healthy then I have no problems waiving Pitlick, he doesn't seem to be part of the future. Waive Wideman on the back-end and that leaves 14F, 7D, 2G.

I don't see an immediate need to trade at the moment to open up a roster spot, but things can change quickly of course.
Is our current reputation any good? Nobody wants to play in Canada. Vegas doesn't give a f*** about a move if it makes their team better yet everyone would still play there. Not to mention that Hoffman/Armia were given multiple chances to produce but they are just not good enough.
 
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Is our current reputation any good?
I think with new management comes new reputation. Obviously it doesn't change overnight, or the fact Molson is still the owner, but I do think players around the league will be looking at MTL as an up and coming destination to play in a couple years as the team adjusts to playoff contender.
Nobody wants to play in Canada
Exactly why I think it might not be a good idea to compound waiving vets on top of location. I've read some articles from this point of view in the last few weeks and makes some sense to me. maybe I'm overthinking it a bit, but I don't like waiving vets unless they're at Alzner level... but maybe they are.
Vegas doesn't give a f*** about a move if it makes their team better yet everyone would still paly there.
That's a benefit Montreal doesn't have unless things shift to players wanting to come to Canada in the future. I wish we had the ability to do that as well, but I'm not sure. We do have the history, but I guess I'm coming from a cautious place as this year is another rebuild/bottom of the standings year so I don't see much harm not playing Pitlick or Pezzetta every game.
Not to mention that Hoffman/Armia were given multiple chances to produce but they are just not good enough.
I agree. Wish we could just bury them without thinking twice. I'm trying to take the human element into the equation and attracting FAs in the future at (what I think is) a small cost of keeping Hoffman/Armia in the lineup.

Was just something to think about as I don't know all the ins and outs of what players consider when FAs.
 
As much as I agree I'd like to waive Hoffman/Armia to make room for younger players this year, I think it could come back to bite us when we're ready to take the next step and sign FAs. Building up a reputation as treating vets 'right' has the potential to go a long way in a couple years imo.

Personally the only way I see one of Hoffman/Armia waived is if they have zero compete/urgency in training camp, the younger guys blow them out of the water, or they show up completely out of shape. Gallagher is a leader on the team, I think 3rd or 4th line is fine for him since we're not looking to make the playoffs anyways.

If Dvorak is hurt to start the season and RHP (waiver exempt) is sent down it gives flexibility up front. And if Dvorak is healthy then I have no problems waiving Pitlick, he doesn't seem to be part of the future. Waive Wideman on the back-end and that leaves 14F, 7D, 2G.

I don't see an immediate need to trade at the moment to open up a roster spot, but things can change quickly of course.
Alzner, Gomez, Kaberle, Streit, Semin, Kinkaid, Malhotra, Weaver, etc. All guys previously buried or bought out by old management, didn't prevent Toffoli, Edmundson, Chiarot and more to sign here.
 
Alzner, Gomez, Kaberle, Streit, Semin, Kinkaid, Malhotra, Weaver, etc. All guys previously buried or bought out by old management, didn't prevent Toffoli, Edmundson, Chiarot and more to sign here.
Very true. I'm not saying waiving isn't an option or even that it isnt a good option depending on the player. Just that I can see the Habs not needing to make a trade to free up a roster spot at the moment. Maybe my reasoning isn't exactly air tight 😂

I think we'll have a better idea when camp comes around and we see what level the younger guys are at. If some prospects are pushing their way on to the team and those two come out slow I'm all for waiving them.
 
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