HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #85 - Offseason Editon

[The Great Weal]

This is fair but that’s how it works. You have to deliver the goods to be known as a guy who can be relied to bring them. Danault couldn’t play enough of a two way game for the Habs when it mattered and it affected how he was perceived by the organization and the fans.

He got smoked by McDavid, so it doesn’t seem like he can play a two way game. Granted McDavid is the GOAT but it is what it is. Carbonneau was a two way player. Danault is less so. He’s not good enough, that’s why I think he’s a poor man’s Plekanec. Too much is written and said about Danault imo.

So like I said, do you think Cirelli was awful for the Bolts? If so why do you think Jon Cooper (one of the best coaches in NHL history) keeps playing him and providing him with so much ice time when his production (on a lethal Tampa team) was so bad?



You clearly have an agenda against this guy. First saying he sucks at producing in the playoffs when his tenure as a King showed otherwise, then downplaying his defensive game because McDavid (arguably the best player in NHL history) didn't go pointless in every game against Danault. Danault has done as good of a job as you can to shutdown McDavid (McDavid didn't have an EV point for the first 3 games of the series) and other star players.

Plekanec was better offensively but not as good defensively so he's not a "poor man" anything, they are not comparable players at all. The right comparison is Cirelli who was integral for the Bolts as a 2way player (neither will win Selkes but that doesn't mean they aren't 2way players). Danault is what he is, one of the best defensive forwards in the league that can score 50 points a season. That's a 2way player.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

The vote shares and point shares betray the truth here. Some homers from PQ voted for Danault and skewed the results, otherwise Danault and Selke do not belong in the same sentence.

Ok so this is your comment. I will share Mackinnon quote on Danault. He is top centerman in the league, he must know what's he's talikin' about, and this is quotes on Danault. So between your comment and the Mackinnon one, guess who I'll pick to make my opinion, hehe.

MacKinnon Singles Out Canadiens Forward As Top Underrated Player

Nathan MacKinnon had high praise for Canadiens center Phillip Danault.

nhltradetalk.com

"Yeah I think an underrated guy would be Phillip Danault in Montreal. I think he should.... I don't know if it's Selke recognition or not but he should. He's so hard to play against, he's such a good centerman man, he's all over me man every time we play Montreal home or away."

Brendan Gallagher is the least skilled player to ever score 30 goals in the NHL, guy plays like Happy Gilmore

Not stylish but he did. It's like if Skrudland scored 4 seasons of 30 goals. Nilan hit 30 one year tho.

 

[BaseballCoach]

Nilan hit 30 one year tho.

LOL, not even close. Best seasons were 21, 19 and 16.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

Danault has finished top 10 in Selke in 4 of the last 5 seasons. Plekanec only did it once. Danault at least in his prime is superior to Plekanec defensively. Plekanec had more of an offensive flare. Definitely would not call Danault a poor man’s Plekanec tho.

Just to add Plakanec had Kovalev and Kostitsyn in his best years. He had a bit of Camalerri and any second tier top six wingers he could have. Danault had a brief moment with Radu and Paccio his first year. After he did his job with Tatar and Gallagher, who both are not near Kovalev talent. And Danault have good numbers with Arvidsson and Iafallo, not in 2007 or 2010 but last 2 years. It didn't take an eternity for him to have a line chemistry.

If someone else prefer Plekanec over Danault, just saying Pleks was good in regular season and bad in PO. Danault is 6'1 200, Plek 5'11 190. I take the advantage of the 2 inches more of Danault and his 10 lbs more over smaller Pleky in PO vs top centers of the league. In LA Danault proved he coud score 27 goals, so he wasn't as bad as Habs anti-fans wrote about his bad shooting skills. It's just that when he gave passes to Gallagher or Tatar, that puck was never coming back, Gally and Tatar the puck eaters were not generous in passes.

 

[ZUKI]

Just to add Plakanec had Kovalev and Kostitsyn in his best years. He had a bit of Camalerri and any second tier top six wingers he could have. Danault had a brief moment with Radu and Paccio his first year. After he did his job with Tatar and Gallagher, who both are not near Kovalev talent. And Danault have good numbers with Arvidsson and Iafallo, not in 2007 or 2010 but last 2 years. It didn't take an eternity for him to have a line chemistry.

If someone else prefer Plekanec over Danault, just saying Pleks was good in regular season and bad in PO. Danault is 6'1 200, Plek 5'11 190. I take the advantage of the 2 inches more of Danault and his 10 lbs more over smaller Pleky in PO vs top centers of the league. In LA Danault proved he coud score 27 goals, so he wasn't as bad as Habs anti-fans wrote about his bad shooting skills. It's just that when he gave passes to Gallagher or Tatar, that puck was never coming back, Gally and Tatar the puck eaters were not generous in passes.

Good old Danault ( in fact, not that old ) . And there was that hater i won't name coming everyday to whine and bash Danault " who was only the product of Gallagher " in all the threads of the forum. The " if his name was Danov" fans rhetoric, those attacking his defenders because he was stealing ice time of Galchenyuk.

This is a player that i would welcome back with the Habs. Look how poor are Gallagher and Tatar since they aren't playing with him...what a joke, considering it was one of the top defensive lines of the NHL.

. OK, i stop there , because i shouldn't be that happy to say "eat that man " to that one i won't name. f*** It's so good !

 

[ReHabs]

So like I said, do you think Cirelli was awful for the Bolts? If so why do you think Jon Cooper (one of the best coaches in NHL history) keeps playing him and providing him with so much ice time when his production (on a lethal Tampa team) was so bad?

We’re not talking about Cirelli.

You clearly have an agenda against this guy. First saying he sucks at producing in the playoffs when his tenure as a King showed otherwise, then downplaying his defensive game because McDavid (arguably the best player in NHL history) didn't go pointless in every game against Danault. Danault has done as good of a job as you can to shutdown McDavid (McDavid didn't have an EV point for the first 3 games of the series) and other star players.

Listen, you want to praise Danault up and down and insist he’s a big time player? That’s fine. Admit you have an agenda and you’re a big fanboy for the guy who never hit even 60pts a season (still has not broken 55pts).

That’s your agenda.

Plekanec was better offensively but not as good defensively so he's not a "poor man" anything, they are not comparable players at all. The right comparison is Cirelli who was integral for the Bolts as a 2way player (neither will win Selkes but that doesn't mean they aren't 2way players). Danault is what he is, one of the best defensive forwards in the league that can score 50 points a season. That's a 2way player.

You conflate Cirelli with Danault when it serves your argument. It serves my argument to bring up Plekanec, a player who is much more familiar to us. Plekanec clears Danault across the board, and in a lower scoring era too.

A centreman who produced 9pts in 38gp in the playoffs for us is not a big miss. He priced himself out and went elsewhere. I’m glad he is producing more in LA but we don’t need to hear about him.

Ok so this is your comment. I will share Mackinnon quote on Danault. He is top centerman in the league, he must know what's he's talikin' about, and this is quotes on Danault. So between your comment and the Mackinnon one, guess who I'll pick to make my opinion, hehe.

MacKinnon Singles Out Canadiens Forward As Top Underrated Player

Nathan MacKinnon had high praise for Canadiens center Phillip Danault.

nhltradetalk.com

"Yeah I think an underrated guy would be Phillip Danault in Montreal. I think he should.... I don't know if it's Selke recognition or not but he should. He's so hard to play against, he's such a good centerman man, he's all over me man every time we play Montreal home or away."

The topic was the Selke vote share. I’m glad Mackinnon had some nice words to say about Danault. No one denies Danault is tenacious defensively. If he could produce more it would mean he’s a good two way player.

If someone else prefer Plekanec over Danault, just saying Pleks was good in regular season and bad in PO. Danault is 6'1 200, Plek 5'11 190. I take the advantage of the 2 inches more of Danault and his 10 lbs more over smaller Pleky in PO vs top centers of the league.

Danault had 9pts in 38gp for the Habs. “Bad in the playoffs” is how I’d describe him. You need your top C to produce.

In LA Danault proved he coud score 27 goals, so he wasn't as bad as Habs anti-fans wrote about his bad shooting skills. It's just that when he gave passes to Gallagher or Tatar, that puck was never coming back, Gally and Tatar the puck eaters were not generous in passes.

Danault’s career high is 54 points. Who cares.

Why do we have to keep hearing about him? He wasn’t traded away, he left as a FA! His cap hit would’ve been too high for his contribution with our team. What is it that you want to prove?

 

[Sterling Archer]

Why is there 20 pages of Danault talk I’m this thread and not the Out Of Town thread?

Last I checked he’s not a Hab.

 

[BaseballCoach]

Danault’s career high is 54 points. Who cares.

Why do we have to keep hearing about him? He wasn’t traded away, he left as a FA! His cap hit would’ve been too high for his contribution with our team. What is it that you want to prove?

Some people including me fervently wish Danault stayed at $5.5M to play a middle six role rather than thinking Gallagher was the key to that possession line, and extending him forever at $6.5M plus then needing Dvorak at $4.45M with the loss of both a 1st and 2nd round draft pick to get Dvorak.

We are in a trade thread and the important lesson is to avoid trades like the Dvorak one from ever occuring again. You can't pay that kind of money and trade those assets for unproven support. Another lesson is to avoid trading guys who are SOLID in support roles while defensively reliable.

This is a trade thread and we should learn from the 2021 lesson and trade guys like Tatar and Gallagher for high picks when they are no longer evaluated as useful going forward (the proof is they did almost nothing in the playoff run).

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

Lol like Danault is a factor to stopping Mcdavid or Draisailt.
Kings got smoked by them twice. The only factor to stop Edmonton has been in the net for 2 years straight. AHL goalies are killing them.

This board man. Overglorified center who won absolutely nothing and will probably not even win a Selke with Kopitar close to retiring and Bergeron gone.

Lil pup is stuck in the first round and make playoff by default cause their division is dogshit.

Literally the Leafs of the west

God Dvorak atrocious seasons on the thirdline is producing at the same pace as him. Good god him gone was close to being as good as Bergevin getting fired. a 50 points center playing 19min a game , my god we are missing so much.

This is why french canadians player + french media with the habs is probably the most horrifying thing to mix.

It's an explosion or d**k riding depending on the case.

This is why we need more Markovs doesn't care about media , never talks ,plays move on.

Imagine if we traded for Laffreniere , dear god

 

[Habs Icing]

And if we still had Danault instead of Dvorak+Gallagher and one of Beck/Kapanen eventually made the former expandable, we could also compute the difference in trade value between Danault and Dvorak+Gallagher in the overall cost of opportunity of the initial mistake.

Why? Is he still eating pizza after games?

 

[Weltschmerz]

Why is there 20 pages of Danault talk I’m this thread and not the Out Of Town thread?

Last I checked he’s not a Hab.

It's offseason there is nothing to talk about.

Trade ideas are always the same, get rid of Hoffman, Armia, Dvorak, Allen or how can we get Laf from the rangers, we should sell Anderson for a kings ransom.

 

[SnapVirus]

Seriously F Danault. Its the trade thread here guys.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Leave the Danneault stuff for another thread please.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Should trade Monty for Swayman since Bruins are lowballing him.

Just keep Monty. He's an improving goalie. Swayman is not a 5+ year solution so stay put.

 

[Vachon23]

Just keep Monty. He's an improving goalie. Swayman is not a 5+ year solution so stay put.

Swayman is younger then Monty.

Not necessarily think that Swaymen is the long term solution but 1 vs 1 against Sam, you take it and run

 

[ML16]

Swayman is younger then Monty.

Not necessarily think that Swaymen is the long term solution but 1 vs 1 against Sam, you take it and run

A Swayman vs Montembeault swap would essentially solve Boston’s short term cap woes ; unless the Bruins add something significant (worth at least +/- 3M AAV), I don’t see the Habs helping their historical (and divisional!) rival in such a way, especially since remains the possibility that Montembeault ends up better.

If Swayman is awarded 4M AAV and the Bruins want to use that cap space on G2+C3 instead to better their chances of keeping their window open, the only offer I’d consider would be a package built around Allen+Dvorak retained (combined 4.15M AAV price for 2 years) and a reasonable draft capital/prospect incentive (2nd or 3rd+).

That would leave no other salary retention spot this season, but there’s no other player worth retention this year, besides maybe Monahan - but it’s far less crucial this year with his 2M AAV. And the Habs still have one retention spot next season for Savard in that scenario.

As for the draft capital/prospect incentive required, the Bruins’ best pick in 2024 is a 4th rounder and their pipeline is far from being as full as the Habs’, so there’s could be room to find mutually beneficial grounds.

Then again, highly doubtful a goalie trade involving Montreal and Boston actually occurs; the Bruins’ didn’t have much luck last time, when they traded away their 1964 1st round pick (Ken Dryden!) and Alex Campbell for Paul Reid and Guy Allen.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Jeremid Layman is just not good.

 

[BaseballCoach]

Swayman is younger then Monty.

Not necessarily think that Swaymen is the long term solution but 1 vs 1 against Sam, you take it and run

Primeau, Evans and a 2nd for Swayman

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

If Pittsburgh needs cap space to trade for Karlsson I would be down to take on Granlund for 1 of their 1sts in 2025 or 2026. Their core will be ancient by then.

Bonus points if we can give them Hoffman or Armia retained as well

 

[DAChampion]

If Pittsburgh needs cap space to trade for Karlsson I would be down to take on Granlund for 1 of their 1sts in 2025 or 2026. Their core will be ancient by then.

Bonus points if we can give them Hoffman or Armia retained as well

Would be a great trade for the Habs, but the price will begin to accumulate for Pittsburgh and San Jose.

 

[bsl]

I'm not sure how much of a balance MSL can strike between developing young players and pumping up the trade value of old players. In the absence of injuries, I expect some players will be write offs.

Can you write down a satisfactory healthy top-12 that balances these competing priorities?

Anderson-Suzuki-Caulfield
Slafkovsky -Dach-Newhook
Ylonen-Monahan-Gallagher
Evans-Dvorak-Armia
Sit: Hoffman, Armia, Pitlick, Harvey -Pinard, Pezzetta

I tried. I couldn't get it to work.

The way I see it these wingers are locks: Cole. Anderson. Gallagher sigh. Armia. Newhook. That’s 5.

They need 8. Plus a 9th. Camp will be a battle for 4 wing spots. Slaf. Rhp. Heineman. Farrel. Roy. Hoff. Pezz. Ilonen.

I think ilonen will get a shot. Because he is waiver eligible. And rhp. They seem to like him. That leaves 2 spots for hoff. Slaf. Heneman. Pezz. Farrel. Roy. Yikes.

I think they give hoff 1 spot to build his value. That leaves Slaf heniman Farrell and Roy for the last spot. All of them can go to laval no waivers. Watch these four at camp.

 

[DAChampion]

The way I see it these wingers are locks: Cole. Anderson. Gallagher sigh. Armia. Newhook. That’s 5.

They need 8. Plus a 9th. Camp will be a battle for 4 wing spots. Slaf. Rhp. Heineman. Farrel. Roy. Hoff. Pezz. Ilonen.

I think ilonen will get a shot. Because he is waiver eligible. And rhp. They seem to like him. That leaves 2 spots for hoff. Slaf. Heneman. Pezz. Farrel. Roy. Yikes.

I think they give hoff 1 spot to build his value. That leaves Slaf heniman Farrell and Roy for the last spot. All of them can go to laval no waivers. Watch these four at camp.

I don't personally object to sending Slafkovsky to Laval, but I'm not sure if management is willing to.

Heinemen Farrell and Roy should start there.

 

[Bottle Rocket]

With Ylonen signed, Kent Hugues might be looking at extending Montembeault as the next topic on the agenda.

Would the newly signed contract by Gustavson in MIN be a good benchmark?

 

[BargainBinSpecial]

With Ylonen signed, Kent Hugues might be looking at extending Montembeault as the next topic on the agenda.

Would the newly signed contract by Gustavson in MIN be a good benchmark?

Monty at 3.5 may be a little too much, maybe at 2/2.5. HuGo made a terrible mistake extending Allen. Risking losing Primeau on waivers, will Allen be waived instead?

 

[BargainBinSpecial]

The way I see it these wingers are locks: Cole. Anderson. Gallagher sigh. Armia. Newhook. That’s 5.

They need 8. Plus a 9th. Camp will be a battle for 4 wing spots. Slaf. Rhp. Heineman. Farrel. Roy. Hoff. Pezz. Ilonen.

I think ilonen will get a shot. Because he is waiver eligible. And rhp. They seem to like him. That leaves 2 spots for hoff. Slaf. Heneman. Pezz. Farrel. Roy. Yikes.

I think they give hoff 1 spot to build his value. That leaves Slaf heniman Farrell and Roy for the last spot. All of them can go to laval no waivers. Watch these four at camp.

Owen Beck will be competing for a spot, so add that name to the list. My feeling is that Hoff gets waived. Slaf will start in Laval. Ylonen and RHP are likely locks. Would be interesting to see what happens with Hoff and Armia. Also add Dvo to your list. Gally goes on LTIR.