HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #85 - Offseason Editon

[EquabaleAce]

Hoffman signed a PTO with Stl 2 years ago. Nothing in his play since then indicates his value increased. We might be able to get a little something at the deadline but he'll start the season here.

Quite odd that a PTO subsequently signed a $4,000,000 contract after camp; must have been a hell of a tryout.
StLouis was waiting to put a player on LTIR in order to create cap space.
But hey, why not try to devalue your own players some more.

 

[26Mats]

Hoffman signed a PTO with Stl 2 years ago. Nothing in his play since then indicates his value increased. We might be able to get a little something at the deadline but he'll start the season here.

The problem is we need to move on from him. We need to give RHP and Ylonen playing time. They're no longer spring chickens. They're 24 years old. They need to play. They need to get NHL reps. And, I wouldn't be surprised if Heineman is also NHL ready...

 

[LaP]

The problem is we need to move on from him. We need to give RHP and Ylonen playing time. They're no longer spring chickens. They're 24 years old. They need to play. They need to get NHL reps. And, I wouldn't be surprised if Heineman is also NHL ready...

Pretty sure KH already offered him to everyone. Would be very surprised if KH deliberately keeps him around. I mean who would be interested to add Hoffman. He's paid too much for what he brings so a team trying to win wont be interested. He's not the kind of vets you want around in a rebuild you'll aim for guys like Corey Perry instead. He might return something at the deadline if he has a good season but doubt it. He'll likely be traded in a trade similar to Dandonov.

 

[26Mats]

Pretty sure KH already offered him to everyone. Would be very surprised if KH deliberately keeps him around. I mean who would be interested to add Hoffman. He's paid too much for what he brings so a team trying to win wont be interested. He's not the kind of vets you want around in a rebuild you'll aim for guys like Corey Perry instead. He might return something at the deadline if he has a good season but doubt it. He'll likely be traded in a trade similar to Dandonov.

Yeah I don't think anyone wants Hoffman. And at the deadline he'll most probably return nothing - just like Dadonov did. Gurianov was nothing.

 

[EquabaleAce]

Yeah I don't think anyone wants Hoffman. And at the deadline he'll most probably return nothing - just like Dadonov did. Gurianov was nothing.

Exactly, the nothing is actually something…. A roster spot and ice time for our younger players.
If you can retain and take back a bad contract for 1 season max that or a Gurianov type player, I’d consider that a fair trade

Mind you, Hoffman isn’t exactly nothing, he comes as advertised… he just hasn’t scored on the PP in Montreal, retain 50% and teams in need Of secondary scoring and PP help will find him attractive enough to perhaps bite

Hell, HuGo was able to trade Chiarot for his return, get the Monahan trade done, and the Petry deal as well so maybe he can make this happen … probably around Labour Day

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

I'm thinking that the Newhook deal was offered to NYR before it was offered to COL.

And if not, I would expect HuGo to pitch a similar offer, then trade Anderson to try to recoup some of the picks and create more wiggle room under the cap. Then proceed to sign Lafreniere to an equivalent deal as Newhook.

What I would dangle is our lowest 1st round pick of 2025 with the 2nd round pick of that same year. As a supplement - because potential/home boy/desire/blablabla - I would put on the table either one of Kidney or Struble as incentives.

NYR are cap squeezed as is, I don't see a roster player involved in the return.

Our top 6 would probably resemble this in 2025-26:

Slafkovsky - Suzuki - Newhook
Caufield - Dach - Lafrenière

Wouldn’t surprise me if you were right.

Laf is a really interesting case. Was supposed to be a superhero but hasn’t produced. He’s also had small minutes and has probably been badly misused.

So, what do you offer for the guy? It has to be a discount. I wish we coulda got him for what we gave up for Newhook but I guess NY isn’t ready to give up. They also fired their coach so my guess is they know they’ve ducked up with him.

 

[HuGo Sham]

Yeah I don't think anyone wants Hoffman. And at the deadline he'll most probably return nothing - just like Dadonov did. Gurianov was nothing.

Hughes already leaking to the media that they might waive and bury hoffman in laval

 

[Lockin17]

Zona is honestly underrated heading into next season, I think I would actually take their forwards over the Habs in the future

Keller-Cooley-Schmaltz
Maccelli-Hayton-Guenther
Crouse-Boyd-Zucker

Keller = CC (pretty even to me)
Cooley < Suzuki ( I rather Suzuki atm we'll see in 3 years)
Schmaltz < Dach (Dach will be a much better player )
Maccelli < Slaf (Slaf will rock the NHL soon mark my word)
Hayton = Monahan (Pretty even atm, might change in favor of Hayton one day)
Crouse > Anderson (I'd give the edge to Crouse by little bit, similar player to me)
Guenther = Newhook (Time will tell to early to say)
Boyd = Dvorak (similar player)
Zucker > RHP (Zuker for sure)

Pretty even i'd say

Then our pipeline for fowards is better
ARI : But , Geekie, Doan , Jenik
MTL : Roy , Beck , Farrell, Mesar, Heinemen

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Keller = CC (pretty even to me)
Cooley < Suzuki ( I rather Suzuki atm we'll see in 3 years)
Schmaltz < Dach (Dach will be a much better player )
Maccelli < Slaf (Slaf will rock the NHL soon mark my word)
Hayton = Monahan (Pretty even atm, might change in favor of Hayton one day)
Crouse > Anderson (I'd give the edge to Crouse by little bit, similar player to me)
Guenther = Newhook (Time will tell to early to say)
Boyd = Dvorak (similar player)
Zucker > RHP (Zuker for sure)

Pretty even i'd say

Then our pipeline for fowards is better
ARI : But , Geekie, Doan , Jenik
MTL : Roy , Beck , Farrell, Mesar, Heinemen

Keller has shown more. Schmaltz is the better play at this moment. 6 months from now, who knows.

Maccelli at this point is better. Same as above, might not be in a 6 months.

Given that Monahan always gets hurt, Hayton might be better.

You gotta be honest, not twist shit to suite your narrative.

 

[Lockin17]

Anaheim and Columbus seems to want to compete next season

Anaheim got Gudas , Killhorn, top 9 and goalie is really good

Columbus got Provonov , Serverson , top 9 is real solid , goalie is ok

What would they need from they habs to help them out ?

Dvorak to Anaheim ?
Allen to Columbus ?

Kovacevic, Harris, Savard, Farrell and Evans could be targets as well.

Anaheim's target for me would be , Luneau, Clara
Columbus would be , Dumais , Ceulemans

 

[Lockin17]

Keller has shown more. Schmaltz is the better play at this moment. 6 months from now, who knows.

Maccelli at this point is better. Same as above, might not be in a 6 months.

Given that Monahan always gets hurt, Hayton might be better.

You gotta be honest, not twist shit to suite your narrative.

Look whos talking .

Keller as show more then CC but Hayton will be better then Monahan but haven't show much ??
You are doing the same thing.

Schmaltz is 27 and Slaf 19 who to you pick today between the 2 ?

Dach is and will be better the Marccelli

Btw this was about the future.

 

[26Mats]

Hughes already leaking to the media that they might waive and bury hoffman in laval

where did you see that?

 

[HuGo Sham]

where did you see that?

was on the danslescoulisses site

 

[Pompeius Magnus]

I really doubt Hoffman would report to laval, he'd probably ask to be released of his contract. This might be the best outcome in the end.

 

[Lockin17]

I really doubt Hoffman would report to laval, he'd probably ask to be released of his contract. This might be the best outcome in the end.

and spit on 4.5mil ?? no way

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Look whos talking .

Keller as show more then CC but Hayton will be better then Monahan but haven't show much ??
You are doing the same thing.

Schmaltz is 27 and Slaf 19 who to you pick today between the 2 ?

Dach is and will be better the Marccelli

Btw this was about the future.

I mentioned how Monahan is always hurt now to knock him down. If they both play a full season Monahan is likely producing better.

For next season Habs need those players to take some big steps, but as of today Arizona is better with their NHL lineup.

 

[Kimota]

PLD is in a team that makes the PO and Montreal are not. LA fans enjoy Kopitar, Doughty, Fiala, Kempe and Danault. Yes, Danault who made the difference between not making the PO and making it.
LA fans enjoy a team that wins more than they lose. Montreal fans bash Danault and bash PLD, they bash Weber, Price and Gallagher too and they end up with Dvorak, no PLD and a losing team. Mtl fans target year 2026 to make the PO. When PLD or his family reads posts like yours or your friends, they prefer playing for a team where they willl not read such toxic comments like yours and your friends. And guess what, a fan base who isn't toxic makes the team play better. Tell me straight in my eyes that you at your job will perform the same if you have a people bashing you and saying you suck every day. Just try to tell me that for fun.

So the poor injured wolf that leak his wounds is you. Cry, cry and suffer your years of losing. Losing attitude, bashing habits, all part of the same curse. And you and your friends will never learn any lesson.

I don't remember the fanbase being "toxic" to Danault but OK.

 

[EquabaleAce]

I don't remember the fanbase being "toxic" to Danault but OK.

Unfortunately you are incorrect, the fan base on this site was all over Danault because he took top line minutes from KK. Bergy was an idiot for not forcing the coach to play KK over him.
It was relentless until he signed in LA and had a great start…. Then Bergy was an idiot for not resigning him.

 

[Bottle Rocket]

If Hoffman has no value and would return virtually nothing at the deadline, we shouldn't try to pump it at the expense of important experience for the young guys.

The 2 retention spots are also more valuable, they give flexibility. One for Monahan, the other for another guy we have or don't yet have. Worst case a 5th in a retention 3 way deal at the deadline, that's more than what people think Hoffman might return.

We should bury him. If he terminates his contract, even better, but he would be crazy to. We are respectful of our players, one waived vet named Hoffman doesn't change that. Players know this is a business and other teams do that too. When we get better, players will come and to get there we need to prioritize our young core.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

I don't remember the fanbase being "toxic" to Danault but OK.

You forget a lot of things. In the thread game every time he touched the puck and there was no goal there was a comment. Then in OT when he was on the ice the coach was so stupid using him, I mean it was the usual trolls, every game. He was identifyed as the boring defensive hockey we hated and he was responsable we didn't make the PO, because he was by default our first center, on a team that was just an empty hole all over. It was one line in the +. Danault was giving passes to Gallagher and Tatar, he didn't scored much, he was taking care of the defense in case Tatar or Gally make a turnover. He was able to shut down any top center of the league. Top centers who were paid 10 M and he was paid 3M. But he didn't scored much so according to the majority here he sucked. And today he make the difference LA make the PO and he's paid 5,5M. With new wingers nobody heard before like Arvidsson, Kempe or Iafallo.

You don't remember the bashinrama over Danault here? And how welcome and better for cheaper Dvorak was. Better and younger Dvorak over Danault. Haha, I can laught at that today. On LA forum Doc Maccanna did some kind of toxic hyper negative post on their forum, ah man it was epic. And few others too. I was the only one (from Mtl fan base) positive about Danault in LA forum. Before he played his first game.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Yes but the key is the 3rd season.. now there can be something like an injury in Dach's case and even physical maturity, which is why I loved that bet.

But Laf was "NHL ready" at 18, he's played 3 full NHL seasons and 2 play-off runs.. and he's not progressed meaningfully anywhere and nothing about his skill-set at the NHL hints at something underlying.

He's not a gamble I'd pay for because it really just looks like he plateaud early and there's not a single skill advantage he has over someone in the NHL, which is why he is producing like a 3rd liner.

All true.

But… he’s been misused badly. Remember how everyone said “Chuck has to earn it over Desharnais”? Same thing here. 13 mins a night… no PP time. Look at CC under DD. He was dying. If MSL didn’t come in, I think he’d have busted.

NY has a new coach this year. It’s going to be interesting to see what happens there. But right now, I’d still take a chance if the price was right.

I still think Laf is a really interesting player…

 

[the]

Unfortunately you are incorrect, the fan base on this site was all over Danault because he took top line minutes from KK. Bergy was an idiot for not forcing the coach to play KK over him.
It was relentless until he signed in LA and had a great start…. Then Bergy was an idiot for not resigning him.

This site...I thought in general he got treated fine outside of this site. Bergevin definitely didn't manage this asset properly (trade or sign) but in general I think the fanbase appreciated him.

Speaking of this site. My favorite was that he was a offensive black hole and that supposedly Gallagher was carrying him.

 

[HABitual Fan]

Anaheim and Columbus seems to want to compete next season

Anaheim got Gudas , Killhorn, top 9 and goalie is really good

Columbus got Provonov , Serverson , top 9 is real solid , goalie is ok

What would they need from they habs to help them out ?

Dvorak to Anaheim ?
Allen to Columbus ?

Kovacevic, Harris, Savard, Farrell and Evans could be targets as well.

Anaheim's target for me would be , Luneau, Clara
Columbus would be , Dumais , Ceulemans

Trade targets are good, but would be looking for picks in return. Last thing we need are defense or undersized forwards.

 

[Archijerej]

I don't remember the fanbase being "toxic" to Danault but OK.

Seriously?

 

[Victoire HuGo]

All true.

But… he’s been misused badly. Remember how everyone said “Chuck has to earn it over Desharnais”? Same thing here. 13 mins a night… no PP time. Look at CC under DD. He was dying. If MSL didn’t come in, I think he’d have busted.

NY has a new coach this year. It’s going to be interesting to see what happens there. But right now, I’d still take a chance if the price was right.

I still think Laf is a really interesting player…

This season is crucial but this will be Laf's 3rd coach if I'm not mistaken with Gallant and Quinn.