HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #85 - Offseason Editon

[Zilo44]

Seriously?

Dan0

 

[Scriptor]

I don't remember the fanbase being "toxic" to Danault but OK.

Bad memory?

Danault was constantly destroyed and downplayed by a vocal part of the fan base because he wasn't a PPG C and was a 50-point, shutdown C instead playing in a 1st line role.

 

[ReHabs]

Bad memory?

Danault was constantly destroyed and downplayed by a vocal part of the fan base because he wasn't a PPG C and was a 50-point, shutdown C instead playing in a 1st line role.

Destroyed? By whom?

 

[nhlfan9191]

Bad memory?

Danault was constantly destroyed and downplayed by a vocal part of the fan base because he wasn't a PPG C and was a 50-point, shutdown C instead playing in a 1st line role.

He couldn’t score goals here. It was especially bad his final year during the lockout. I don’t think the criticism was unwarranted.

 

[DAChampion]

I liked Danault but I hated when he bitched to the media about being on a line with Lehkonen and Byron.

 

[TheViperOne]

Most people on here were not bashing Danault. It was the coach’s stupid decision to keep giving him the Desharnais treatment of top line, best linemates, top PP time, etc instead of using him in his role as a shutdown 3rd line centre, PK specialist and bump him up to 2nd line when needed due to injuries.

 

[Spring in Fialta]

I don't remember the fanbase being "toxic" to Danault but OK.

Not at large but there were definitely a lot of morons on this board who kept shitting on him.

He couldn’t score goals here. It was especially bad his final year during the lockout. I don’t think the criticism was unwarranted.

Yes it was. He was a superb player and had been for years.

 

[nhlfan9191]

Not at large but there were definitely a lot of morons on this board who kept shitting on him.



Yes it was. He was a superb player and had been for years.

I never said he wasn’t a good player. But for a team that couldn’t score goals, having somebody who was pacing for under 10 goals getting the minutes he was is just unacceptable. Especially when you factor in he wanted a $6 million dollar extension. Good player. Not the least bit sad we moved on.

 

[habsfan44]

I think that Kent will stand pat, no more moves, he will let the season start with what the habs have

We have 15 forwards , 8 defensemen and 2 goalies under contract plus an unsigned and waivers eligible Ylonen , I don't think he can stand pat .

 

[HuGo Sham]

for sure many were hard on Danault, but I believe it had more to do with him playing in a higher role suited for him because of how garbage our depth at C was for so long. Suzuki was not entirely ready and kotkaniemi was a tire fire.
That being said, Bergevin's utter lack of knowledge / aversion to analytics and his stupid way of taking everything personally in negotiations, compelled him to sign the over the hill, small, broken winger over the the solid two-way C who was actually driving that line and had a bigger offensive game when given the chance.
Bergevin should've signed him during that covid cup - he was that good.
Bergevin made so many incompetent decisions that summer that it almost feels like he knew he was on his way out and sabotaged the team.
Dvorak? lmao. what a putz of a GM.

There's a reason he hasn't been rehired yet, but I assume it's coming. Hopefully he's self-aware enough to realize all his terrible decisions.

 

[BLONG7]

I liked Danault but I hated when he bitched to the media about being on a line with Lehkonen and Byron.

Selfish player and it showed at that moment................a great shutdown guy, but with us, he got too much preferential treatment........couldn't score, and wanted to leave... so be it.....
Wished we had kept him for 4.5-5.0M and let Gally go but for some reason MB let him walk.....it was a very bad decision on MB's part.

We have 15 forwards , 8 defensemen and 2 goalies under contract plus an unsigned and waivers eligible Ylonen , I don't think he can stand pat .

There will be more moves yet, but we just might have to wait until camp in September....

 

[Rapala]

You forget a lot of things. In the thread game every time he touched the puck and there was no goal there was a comment. Then in OT when he was on the ice the coach was so stupid using him, I mean it was the usual trolls, every game. He was identifyed as the boring defensive hockey we hated and he was responsable we didn't make the PO, because he was by default our first center, on a team that was just an empty hole all over. It was one line in the +. Danault was giving passes to Gallagher and Tatar, he didn't scored much, he was taking care of the defense in case Tatar or Gally make a turnover. He was able to shut down any top center of the league. Top centers who were paid 10 M and he was paid 3M. But he didn't scored much so according to the majority here he sucked. And today he make the difference LA make the PO and he's paid 5,5M. With new wingers nobody heard before like Arvidsson, Kempe or Iafallo.

You don't remember the bashinrama over Danault here? And how welcome and better for cheaper Dvorak was. Better and younger Dvorak over Danault. Haha, I can laught at that today. On LA forum Doc Maccanna did some kind of toxic hyper negative post on their forum, ah man it was epic. And few others too. I was the only one (from Mtl fan base) positive about Danault in LA forum. Before he played his first game.

The reality is most people simply told the truth Danault is/was a third line center who was miscast. The issue was Bergevin not addressing it. There were a few loud noise makers but there always are. It's funny how it's so easy for you to foist their takes on the majority. Imagine how set we would be if we kept Danault and got rid of Gallagher. Suzuki/Dach/Danault would give us super balance down the middle. We have to hope Beck can fill that role.

 

[Rapala]

Dan0

Dan1 This was funny not bashing.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

The reality is most people simply told the truth Danault is/was a third line center who was miscast. The issue was Bergevin not addressing it. There were a few loud noise makers but there always are. It's funny how it's so easy for you to foist their takes on the majority. Imagine how set we would be if we kept Danault and got rid of Gallagher. Suzuki/Dach/Danault would give us super balance down the middle. We have to hope Beck can fill that role.

Danault is probably an elite 3rd line centre. But he thinks he is a 1st/2nd line centre and wants to be paid like a scoring line centre. Not sure he would have stayed for a reasonable contract.

 

[ReHabs]

Danault’s awful numbers in the playoffs are undeniable. For the Habs he was a very good one-way defensive C but didn’t bring the juice up front when needed. Happy for him that he’s done better since moving on but he wasn’t a must keep player.

The Cult of Danault’s simply extremely unnecessary. He was just a guy. A poor man’s Plekanec. Who cares, move on.

 

[The Great Weal]

I really doubt Hoffman would report to laval, he'd probably ask to be released of his contract. This might be the best outcome in the end.

I'm sure his agent sees how many solid NHLers that are better than him are UFAs and can't get contracts and would advise him not to lose 4.5 million for nothing.

He couldn’t score goals here. It was especially bad his final year during the lockout. I don’t think the criticism was unwarranted.

No it definitely was unwarranted. Literally, every thread was shitting on him and all the posters were dead wrong about him. The most comical was how Tatar and Gallagher were "carrying" him and Danault was fortunate to play with the best wingers (one has arguably the worst contract in the league and the other is a UFA that nobody cares about). Don't forget that Kovalchuk was also carrying him apparently during that stint and that Danault's usage was responsible for KK being bad.

Notice how he started scoring more goals with LA when he wasn't buried in defensive zone starts and shutdown wingers?

 

[The Great Weal]

Danault’s awful numbers in the playoffs are undeniable. For the Habs he was a very good one-way defensive C but didn’t bring the juice up front when needed. Happy for him that he’s done better since moving on but he wasn’t a must keep player.

The Cult of Danault’s simply extremely unnecessary. He was just a guy. A poor man’s Plekanec. Who cares, move on.

Cirelli also had awful stats in Tampa's first cup yet he was a key player for them. It's what happens when you are solely focusing on defense. He was only seen as 1 way because of his usage. He shoved the "he can't score in the playoffs" comments down the critics' throats with his 10 points in 13 games so far as a King (and his 27 goal season last year was more than any Hab in the past 2 years).

He wasn't a "must keep" given how we were heading towards a rebuild, but are you happier giving that 6 million to Gallagher and using assets on Dvorak instead?

 

[Rapala]

6 million to Gallagher

This killed any chance we had of keeping Danault. I think the idea that Gallagher was worth more to Bergevin than Danault was is the reason he moved on more than anything else.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

The reality is most people simply told the truth Danault is/was a third line center who was miscast. The issue was Bergevin not addressing it. There were a few loud noise makers but there always are. It's funny how it's so easy for you to foist their takes on the majority. Imagine how set we would be if we kept Danault and got rid of Gallagher. Suzuki/Dach/Danault would give us super balance down the middle. We have to hope Beck can fill that role.

I'm not sure Beck is the prototype of a 3rd C but whatever, different kind of C can fill the role. In that PO run Danault did have the heavyest duty checking role and he didn't have such great wingers. Except Jets, To and Vegas were 2 legit good PO teams who were shutdown by Danault and of course Price kept the goals like a god and Weber and co used sherwood that did some damage to Marner, Mathews and co.

Imagine this board here (at the time) if Gallagher was ont resigned and that money went to Danault. OMG. When Gally was signed, he was just showing a bit of his decline and Bergy wasn't wise enough
to realise he was making a mistake. The loyalty stuff is a tricky concept.

Danault is a nice fit 2nd C in LA. I think with aging Kopitar PLD will be first C, Danault 2nd and Kopitar 3rd. Or it's going to be that soon. Kopitar is the same age as Price. He soon will be retired.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

This killed any chance we had of keeping Danault. I think the idea that Gallagher was worth more to Bergevin than Danault was is the reason he moved on more than anything else.

I remember at the time a lot of posters here wrote Gallagher was the motor of that line. When in reality he was a finisher at the offensive zone, after Danault made sure the puck would go to Gally. Tatar was playing like a loner, with his natural european style he could deke and make nice plays near the net. Alone with a goalie he was dangerous. The energy Gallagher deployed for years, hard working soldier, getting his nose dirty in dangerous areas, I think we all knew his gas tank would be empty some day, around 30 yrs old. We all knew it except Bergevin, oh gosh ...

 

[ReHabs]

Cirelli also had awful stats in Tampa's first cup yet he was a key player for them. It's what happens when you are solely focusing on defense. He was only seen as 1 way because of his usage.

This is fair but that’s how it works. You have to deliver the goods to be known as a guy who can be relied to bring them. Danault couldn’t play enough of a two way game for the Habs when it mattered and it affected how he was perceived by the organization and the fans.

He shoved the "he can't score in the playoffs" comments down the critics' throats with his 10 points in 13 games so far as a King (and his 27 goal season last year was more than any Hab in the past 2 years).

He got smoked by McDavid, so it doesn’t seem like he can play a two way game. Granted McDavid is the GOAT but it is what it is. Carbonneau was a two way player. Danault is less so. He’s not good enough, that’s why I think he’s a poor man’s Plekanec. Too much is written and said about Danault imo.

He wasn't a "must keep" given how we were heading towards a rebuild, but are you happier giving that 6 million to Gallagher and using assets on Dvorak instead?

Absolutely against the Gallagher contract. It was awful from the moment it was conceived. It’s not either/or. That line was not successful enough to be retained.

Fact is, he wasn’t so important or valuable that we need to discuss Danault today.

 

[nhlfan9191]

This is fair but that’s how it works. You have to deliver the goods to be known as a guy who can be relied to bring them. Danault couldn’t play enough of a two way game for the Habs when it mattered and it affected how he was perceived by the organization and the fans.

He got smoked by McDavid, so it doesn’t seem like he can play a two way game. Granted McDavid is the GOAT but it is what it is. Carbonneau was a two way player. Danault is less so. He’s not good enough, that’s why I think he’s a poor man’s Plekanec. Too much is written and said about Danault imo.

Absolutely against the Gallagher contract. It was awful from the moment it was conceived. It’s not either/or. That line was not successful enough to be retained.

Fact is, he wasn’t so important or valuable that we need to discuss Danault today.

Danault has finished top 10 in Selke in 4 of the last 5 seasons. Plekanec only did it once. Danault at least in his prime is superior to Plekanec defensively. Plekanec had more of an offensive flare. Definitely would not call Danault a poor man’s Plekanec tho.

 

[ML16]

I'm not sure Beck is the prototype of a 3rd C but whatever, different kind of C can fill the role. In that PO run Danault did have the heavyest duty checking role and he didn't have such great wingers. Except Jets, To and Vegas were 2 legit good PO teams who were shutdown by Danault and of course Price kept the goals like a god and Weber and co used sherwood that did some damage to Marner, Mathews and co.

Imagine this board here (at the time) if Gallagher was ont resigned and that money went to Danault. OMG. When Gally was signed, he was just showing a bit of his decline and Bergy wasn't wise enough
to realise he was making a mistake. The loyalty stuff is a tricky concept.

Danault is a nice fit 2nd C in LA. I think with aging Kopitar PLD will be first C, Danault 2nd and Kopitar 3rd. Or it's going to be that soon. Kopitar is the same age as Price. He soon will be retired.

Gallagher’s last contract was crazy from the outset; I for one was appalled by the choice to keep (and vastly overpay!) the already beaten down winger over Danault - who evidently had a bright future ahead of him as middle-6 C.

This mistake not only cost 11M in cap space (Gallagher + Dvorak), but also a late 1st and an early 2nd, the cost to acquire Dvorak.

Fortunately/hopefully, with Beck and Kapanen in the pipeline, the Habs have at least two intriguing candidates to take over middle-6 C duties in a couple of years…

And if we still had Danault instead of Dvorak+Gallagher and one of Beck/Kapanen eventually made the former expandable, we could also compute the difference in trade value between Danault and Dvorak+Gallagher in the overall cost of opportunity of the initial mistake.

 

[ReHabs]

Danault has finished top 10 in Selke in 4 of the last 5 seasons. Plekanec only did it once. Danault at least in his prime is superior to Plekanec defensively. Plekanec had more of an offensive flare. Definitely would not call Danault a poor man’s Plekanec tho.

The vote shares and point shares betray the truth here. Some homers from PQ voted for Danault and skewed the results, otherwise Danault and Selke do not belong in the same sentence.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

I remember at the time a lot of posters here wrote Gallagher was the motor of that line. When in reality he was a finisher at the offensive zone, after Danault made sure the puck would go to Gally. Tatar was playing like a loner, with his natural european style he could deke and make nice plays near the net. Alone with a goalie he was dangerous. The energy Gallagher deployed for years, hard working soldier, getting his nose dirty in dangerous areas, I think we all knew his gas tank would be empty some day, around 30 yrs old. We all knew it except Bergevin, oh gosh ...

Brendan Gallagher is the least skilled player to ever score 30 goals in the NHL, guy plays like Happy Gilmore