HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #85 - Offseason Editon
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Gaylord Q Tinkledink
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There are multiple ways to make it happen with Dallas. They are over the cap with 13F, 8D and 2G. They could go with 22, 21 or even 20 players on the roster instead.
Most straightforward is for Marchment at 4.5M and waive or demote a low salary D (like Hanley, Harley, ...). I don't think we would be interested unless a big plus is added as Marchment has 3 years left.
A trade for Faksa (F, two years) and Hakanpaa (D, one year) would come up to 4.750M, which is more than Petry's cap hit. They would still need to demote another D, or add a Harley to the deal, so they would start at 21. Add picks or prospects to make it enticing to Montreal and maybe we send some minor league players to help with our number of contracts.
Then, if we retain, we can make it even easier. Faksa alone, or Hakanpaa and Harley or Delandrea.
Not so hard after all, assuming Dallas is interested (which I think they might as he could be a good partner for Suter), and Petry doesn't have them on his NTC.
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Detroit and Buffalo would be easy fits as they are eastern usa teams and have the cap space to welcome Petry with or without retention. They have young players and picks to trade as they seem to be past the accumulation phase of their rebuild and into the spending of assets if they choose to.
The fact they directly compete against us can be seen as a deterrent by Kent Hugues, but I guess it depends on the prize.
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I don't dislike the idea at all. Ideally Mantha too would be retained as to not increase our cap hit vs losing Armia. Or this could happen after the start of the season when we are under the cap and use Price's LTIR relief. Which 3rd team would retain on Armia for two years though? Would the Capitals really want to exchange an expiring contract for two years of Armia, even at a lower cap hit?
Getting out of that second year of Armia's contract would be huge for us, no matter if Mantha performs or not.
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Yeah, at this time of the summer the Caps might not be so interested in getting all that cap space for this year. They're up against the cap, but can probably get under in other ways. And, they've missed out on players like Tarasenko and Dumba that they could have used the cap space on.
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Washington can get under the cap by demoting Protas or waiving a guy like Aube Kubel. Not ideal as both played many games for them last year.
I'm convinced they would like to make Mantha disapear, but ideally against players that also have one year left. As you are pointing out, they are in no hurry to do so, slim pickings from the remaining UFA pool. Why settle for 2 years of Armia too.
Kent Hugues was able to ship Hoffman out because he found a trade partner who needed help accomplish something greater on a timeline. So say the Caps find a trade partner for Kuznetsov who needs to ship out someone with a NTC, or say Toews or Kane say they want to join the Caps, then maybe we can play a role where we take Mantha and involve Armia somehow.
One for one I don't think we can just get rid of Armia. It will require an opportunity. 2 years left, big body, good pker but not elite, not many points and always hurt. But I may be wrong, Kent Hugues has proven proficient at finding good deals and being a magician.
Any interest in Patrick Kane? 34 years old. 4 year x 5 million per season?
**disclaimer** I know he is unlikely to come here and I know he may probably get more.
I think Kaner could be a great mentor for our young guns and would be perfect on our 2nd line. We are one top 6 away at this point.
Slaf - Suzuki - Caufield
Newhook - Dach - Kane
RHP - Monahan - Anderson
Ylonen - Dvorak - Gally
Guhle - Petry
Matheson - Savard
Xhekaj - Harris
Kovacevic/Barron
Monty
Allen
DeSmith
**disclaimer** I know he is unlikely to come here and I know he may probably get more.
I think Kaner could be a great mentor for our young guns and would be perfect on our 2nd line. We are one top 6 away at this point.
Slaf - Suzuki - Caufield
Newhook - Dach - Kane
RHP - Monahan - Anderson
Ylonen - Dvorak - Gally
Guhle - Petry
Matheson - Savard
Xhekaj - Harris
Kovacevic/Barron
Monty
Allen
DeSmith
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Gaylord Q Tinkledink
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Pass.
Veleno is a bitch and not very good. Not that the Habs will get some top notch prospect, but Veleno likely isn't NHL material..
Would be great for Laval, though.
This is a non sense, detroit could have if for free (with a secound round pick) from pittsburgh few day ago..
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Not as the main piece but he could be part of the potential return, sure. 4C is a spot we can definitely improve on, unless we plan on starting the season with Dvo there.
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Kane is out 4 to 6 months and he is definitely not a guy I'd be comfortable giving 4 years right now
Gaylord Q Tinkledink
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TVASports had an article about Jujhar Kharia was in Montreal with his equipment, as mentioned by someone on Twitter, who covers the Leafs I believe.
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No thanks.
Joe Veleno sucks.
Jack Han, was more than likely here for something else.
Two shrimps with Dach? You could play Newhook at C and place Monaghan on that second line:
Slaf - Suzuki - Caufield
Monahan - Dach - Kane
RHP - Newhook - Anderson
Ylonen - Dvorak - Gally
Guhle - Petry
Matheson - Savard
Xhekaj - Harris
Kovacevic/Barron
Monty
Allen
DeSmith
I honestly think you will gain more adding size and net presence in Monahan alongside Dach and the more diminutive Kane.
In fact, I'd go with the experience of Monahan on the first line and let Slafkovsky and Dach get mentored by Kane. Too early for Slafkovsky to get 1st line responsibilities:
Monahan - Suzuki - Caufield
Slafkovsky - Dach - Kane
RHP - Newhook - Anderson
Ylonen - Dvorak - Gally
Guhle - Petry
Matheson - Savard
Xhekaj - Harris
Kovacevic/Barron
Monty
Allen
DeSmith
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Yes but they said he was here for a week of camp with other players and his trainer
salbutera
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A veteran RD in Petry at $2.35M (Habs retaining 50% over remaining 2-years) vs 2-years @ $6M AAV is a completely different situation
How much do you think it will cost to get petry from the habs at 50%? I would say another second round pick.
Scenario 1: Detroit get petry from pittsburgh at 4.6m + a second round ck VS future consideration
Scenario 2: Detroit get petry from the habs at 2.3M vs a second round pick
So basically, detroit just loose two second round pick to save 2.3M for two years while they are not againt the cap
If that the case, hughes is a genius and yzerman not so much
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The thing I don't get about Detroit is why wouldn't they call Dubas and get the deal Montreal got if they were truly interested in Petry. They have cap space and everyone says Petry at less than 5M is much better now, so they would likely have been content with that.
It looks like they are already happy with their D without Petry. Arguably Petry at another 50% retained may change their mind, but I don't think they would pay through the nose just because he's from there.
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I don’t think HuGo deal Petry unless it’s a deal that returns a bonafide player - that obviously would mean Habs needing to include other assets as part of transaction
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I would have rathered Tarasenko or Hall on their expiring deals. I want more 1sts and 2nds at the TDL, and it would have been good for Suzuki, Dach, and Caufield to have played with them.
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Because Yzerman would still be adding over $4M - Habs added net $0 to their cap by moving Hoffman to SJS. 25% off Petry AAV = Hoffman AAV
Talking heads have all been saying Canes and other interested teams wanted SJS to eat 50% of Karlsson’s AAV + take on a $4M+ contract back (Pesce in Canes case)… so basically everyone wanted to acquire Karlsson for +$1M AAV (wanting SJS to eat $9M)
Seider & Raymond also enter final year of ELC, so every $ against cap counts for Yzerman - as both will be due heavy raises eating all cap margin
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Kane is not going to sign long term with a team as bad as Montreal. And while not comparing the two players, one of the major reasons Montreal got into the Karlsson trade was to move wingers to make room for younger guys. They're not going to use their very limited cap flexibility to sign an aging Kane long term.
EDIT: For example, your lines don't have Armia, Evans or Pezzetta, so your lineup has 26 players. Some guys would be waived/sent down, but it would likely be the young guys the team wants to play.
Kanes actually unlikely to get more because the teams that would want him and he would want to go to don't have cap space (except maybe Buffalo).
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