HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #84: Off-Season edition

[sampollock]

PLD thread says wait and see

 

[SlafySZN]

The Jets are crazy if they take Barron for PLD one vs one.

Barron is so bad defensively.....he is so soft.

I still think that he will never be a top 4 d in this league.

He’s 21.

And no, the habs won’t ever trade him for Dubois.

 

[Draft]

If Barron was on any team other than this one, Habs fans would be wetting themselves trying to make trade proposals for him. A 21yo RD drafted out of the Q with good size, skating, offensive instincts/skills, and on pace for +30pts as a rookie on a terrible team?

It’s actually a bit embarrassing how often he’s being put in trade proposals while Logan "can't even play defence in junior" Mailloux gets projected for the top pairing next year.

 

[Captain Mountain]

If Barron was on any team other than this one, Habs fans would be wetting themselves trying to make trade proposals for him. A 21yo RD drafted out of the Q with good size, skating, offensive instincts/skills, and on pace for +30pts as a rookie on a terrible team?

It’s actually a bit embarrassing how often he’s being put in trade proposals while Logan "can't even play defence in junior" Mailloux gets projected for the top pairing next year.

There's nothing HFBoards fans overrate more than late 1sts and prospects playing junior-level competition.

 

[sampollock]

There's nothing HFBoards fans overrate more than late 1sts and prospects playing junior-level competition.

and pld with mtl

 

[Adriatic]

The Jets are crazy if they take Barron for PLD one vs one.

Barron is so bad defensively.....he is so soft.

I still think that he will never be a top 4 d in this league.

Crazy I see a very good potential in Barron. I have good feeling about him and would keep him around.

 

[Destopcorner]

I don't think we can trade for Dubois with out one of Beck, Panthers 1st, or one of our RD's (Barron, Mailloux). I would dangle Beck and retain the Panthers 1st and both our RD's.

Jets would be looking for both centers and RD and they are not getting both from us in a Dubois trade. Beck, Harris, Habs 2nd, and maybe a prospect like Tuch is what I would offer. Lets not nit pick the difference between Harris and Pionk and overlook that we are adding a valuable early 2nd rounder on top.

* Would I trade Barron? Maybe.
* Would we trade both Barron and Beck? Not sure. I think I swap out Barron and Harris and let them kick and scream like a baby
* What would be your + on top of Barron and Dvorak?

Why not both from us? The base is there and I have 0 problem giving C and RD with Dvorak and Barron for PLD... I even add something like a B prospect, a second or a Gurianov/Ylonen ... We have lots a players and picks already, it's quantity for quality time.

You don't know what WPG are interested in.

I know they have no interest in LHD and will need a center once they let Dubois go... Every team wants centers no? They're looking for RHD and Barron's brother is playing there. Of course they are interested in him.

 

[Destopcorner]

If Barron was on any team other than this one, Habs fans would be wetting themselves trying to make trade proposals for him. A 21yo RD drafted out of the Q with good size, skating, offensive instincts/skills, and on pace for +30pts as a rookie on a terrible team?

It’s actually a bit embarrassing how often he’s being put in trade proposals while Logan "can't even play defence in junior" Mailloux gets projected for the top pairing next year.

Defensive IQ is the problem. He is nervous and very clumsy, no deception in his game. He reacts and thinks too much when pressure comes his way. Kind of guy that will cost you a serie with a bonehead play or tripping by himself on the blue line. I just don't trust him even with his good offensive numbers. He's also the best comparable we have to Pionk.

Mailloux is something else and i'm not the biggest fan either. Defenseman needs to play defense in this league and both have difficulty doing it.

I actually see Guhle playing right side in the future, the kid have what it takes and Matheson is not leaving anytime soon. Same for Savard for next 2 years, we need defensive defenseman and he's a great veteran.

 

[Draft]

Defensive IQ is the problem. He is nervous and very clumsy, no deception in his game. He reacts and thinks too much when pressure comes his way. Kind of guy that will cost you a serie with a bonehead play or tripping by himself on the blue line. I just don't trust him even with his good offensive numbers. He's also the best comparable we have to Pionk.

Mailloux is something else and i'm not the biggest fan either. Defenseman needs to play defense in this league and both have problems doing it.

I actually see Guhle playing right side in the future, the kid have what it takes and Matheson is not leaving anytime soon. Same for Savard for next 2 years, we need defensive defenseman and he's a great veteran.

Not that worried about it, he still makes more good decisions than bad ones. He was reliable defensively in junior and performed well in the AHL as well. As a 21yo rookie, he's going to need time to adjust and shake the nerves. Xhekaj and Harris have made those same (and worse) mistakes as older and more experienced players. Given his upside and how desperately we need a top-4 RD, I'll happily given him a year or two before condemning him for theoretically costing us a series because he bobbles the puck - once we're good enough to be in the playoffs, I doubt he'll be making those same mistakes.

 

[Lockin17]

I would be willing to trade Farrell in a package for PLD

 

[ericd]

Caufield - Bedard - Dubois


Harvey-Pinard - Suzuki - Dach


Slafkovsky - Roy - Farrell


Heineman - Beck - Mesar


Mysak - Kidney




Guhle - Barron


Struble - Harris


Hutson - Mailloux


Xhekaj




Askarov


Primeau

 

[Michelangelo]

If Barron was on any team other than this one, Habs fans would be wetting themselves trying to make trade proposals for him. A 21yo RD drafted out of the Q with good size, skating, offensive instincts/skills, and on pace for +30pts as a rookie on a terrible team?

It’s actually a bit embarrassing how often he’s being put in trade proposals while Logan "can't even play defence in junior" Mailloux gets projected for the top pairing next year.

Barron is a better prospect than Mailloux

 

[Habfan10]

If Barron was on any team other than this one, Habs fans would be wetting themselves trying to make trade proposals for him. A 21yo RD drafted out of the Q with good size, skating, offensive instincts/skills, and on pace for +30pts as a rookie on a terrible team?

It’s actually a bit embarrassing how often he’s being put in trade proposals while Logan "can't even play defence in junior" Mailloux gets projected for the top pairing next year.

They are both kids and you need to give them time. And you can’t overlook the young kids losing developmental time as well during Covid.

Look at Matheson having his breakout year at 29.

 

[Draft]

Barron is a better prospect than Mailloux

Agreed, always has been. We're lucky to have both - we don't need to be pawning them off in trade proposals during a rebuild when we have a massive hole at RD today and in the foreseeable future.

 

[sampollock]

I swear there is PLD trade page lol

 

[Team_Spirit]

Habs fans talking about PLD in every single thread;

 

[BozoTheClown]

Habs fans talking about PLD in every single thread;

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Just wait for the draft and free agency if he isn’t a Habs by then.

 

[McGuires Corndog]

Agreed, always has been. We're lucky to have both - we don't need to be pawning them off in trade proposals during a rebuild when we have a massive hole at RD today and in the foreseeable future.

I remember there was a time Barron was considered a better prospect by some neutral-fan posters here than Guhle, I never personally held that belief but some fans thought Barron’s offensive game had a much higher potential.

I still foresee Guhle being the better Dman all around, but if I see Guhle has a 35-40pts 25:00/night d-man, I see Barron as a 45-50pts 23:00/night d-man if everything continues down this path based on their progression thus far.

 

[McGees]

I would be willing to trade Farrell in a package for PLD

No - we need to collect all the smol.
We almost have the whole set.

 

[Scriptor]

You don't know what WPG are interested in.

A mid first round draft pick can also then be traded by WIN for something that can help them now in some other package.

WIN can do many things, like trading Wheeler, near the end of his career, with one year left on his contract, but still productive in the short term (16Gs, 38As, 54Ps in 68 games played - almost .80 PPG) for a first round pick and package both picks (that one and FLA pick) to a rebuilding team for a prime years player up front or on RD?

Dvorak + FLA pick + Barron would offer a RD, a 3rd line C as an insurance policy and ammunition for another trade to shore up the forward group.

Just saying.

I'm actually happier to keep Beck and trade the FLA pick.

I don't know who he is.....and let's not act like we know everything either.
Does he need to be a RD? Cause Dubois is a center and I'm not sure that getting him for more than twice the amount that Dach cost is the best idea in the world considering we have 2 good center in Suzuki and Dach.

Let's say Byram is out there and we don't know it, you say no?.......he's a prime target for an offer sheet as Colorado will have 13M to sign 10 players. Who knows!

You knew Dach was available by the way? And Romanov was also apparently available and no one ever talked about it, not even a whisper or a thought.

Who tells you Winnipeg are looking for a pick for Dubois? They are not rebuilding so that might not be a given that they are looking for that kind of return you assume it will cost.

Can use the pick, or pick + to land a player that helps right now from elsewhere. a trade with Montreal would not be the end all to WIN's musings or situation.

 

[Scriptor]

If Barron was on any team other than this one, Habs fans would be wetting themselves trying to make trade proposals for him. A 21yo RD drafted out of the Q with good size, skating, offensive instincts/skills, and on pace for +30pts as a rookie on a terrible team?

It’s actually a bit embarrassing how often he’s being put in trade proposals while Logan "can't even play defence in junior" Mailloux gets projected for the top pairing next year.

I get your point and, personally Barron has surprised me this season, but I still; see the 6'2" D as not particularly physical and regularly clueless when it comes to his defensive assignments, especially when an opponent has the puck near the net.

It's the offensive potential that is interesting, and a D-game, if the player wants, can be improved, but I'm wary of barron being a one-dimensional, offensive player, with defensive issues and little flavour in the physical department, despite the size to have such an impact.

I think it is hard to teach 'mean'.

Your buddy Mailloux has more 'mean' to his game and has as much defensive issues as Barron, really, TBH.

Both are good skaters with the puck, although differently good. Mailloux has more of a power game from the back end.

Will only know how Mailloux's game translates to the NHL by the end of next year, IMO, at the earliest, if his play in the AHL warrants a call up.

I think that Cube (Bouillon) sees Mailloux challenging for a spot on the Habs' roster next season, but I think he needs to go through the development in the AHL first, working more on his D-game.

Not that worried about it, he still makes more good decisions than bad ones. He was reliable defensively in junior and performed well in the AHL as well. As a 21yo rookie, he's going to need time to adjust and shake the nerves. Xhekaj and Harris have made those same (and worse) mistakes as older and more experienced players. Given his upside and how desperately we need a top-4 RD, I'll happily given him a year or two before condemning him for theoretically costing us a series because he bobbles the puck - once we're good enough to be in the playoffs, I doubt he'll be making those same mistakes.

That, or he'll be gone by then. I do think it is early to give up on the kid just to give up on the kid.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Ill give Pezzeta Harris and a second for PLD

Jets fans are all high and mighty on the main boards but are dealing from an extreme position of weakness, meanwhile habs have no need/urgency to add this player.

We are in the catbird seat boys

 

[Scriptor]

Caufield - Suzuki - Harvey-Pinard


Slafkovsky - Dach - Roy


Farrell - Beck - Ylonen


Heineman - Yager - Mesar


Mysak - Kidney




Guhle - Barron


Struble - Harris


Hutson - Mailloux


Xhekaj





Primeau


Dobes

No likey at all. will never win big with this lineup, IMO. Middle of the road lineup.

Sharing a great song as a result of what the post inspired.

Ill give Pezzeta Harris and a second for PLD

Jets fans are all high and mighty on the main boards but are dealing from an extreme position of weakness, meanwhile habs have no need/urgency to add this player.

We are in the catbird seat boys

Overly generous... on Winnipeg's part

 

[Scriptor]

I swear there is PLD trade page lol

Only in your head. Nobody wants the bum

 

[sampollock]

Post-Game Talk: - ITS OVER- Did we make a huge mistake on Pierre-Luc Dubois Thread?

Here's my attempt at a single thread to discuss PLD so he doesn't take over every single other thread. Consider this like a safe space. A trust tree if you will -a place where we can ask questions like: Does he really want to come here or is he just saying he does? Should we? or Shouldn't we...

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