How can you be sure. If Ducks are letting him go, I'd be very suspicious that they know something.
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How can you be sure. If Ducks are letting him go, I'd be very suspicious that they know something.
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Leon Lucius Black
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I don't think its fair to group Evans with some of those plugs.
He's good at faceoffs, works his ass off, is solid defensively and can chip in some points. He's a solid 4th line C who can fill in on the third line, plus he's not holding anyone back in Laval from taking a spot.
Unless the Jets are moving into a rebuild (which I doubt) than they are going to qualify Dubois and treat him as their own rental. If they look to be on the outside looking in at the deadline than they can get similar value to what your offering then.
If there is to be a Dubois trade this summer than we have to give the Jets something that they want. Maybe Beck is part of that. But 2nds, Gurianov/Harris, Tuch are all noise. Doesn't make sense for the Jets to trade for those type of secondary pieces right now.
Evans is a smart hockey player I think most people know it. The concern with Evans hasn't changed since day 1 at least for me. Will he be good/available when we need him most. I ask myself that with every player and I think it's a question that needs to be asked of all when building a team. Injuries are a part of the equation and some players are simply more susceptible to them than others.
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I'm not sure how we could draw any sort of conclusions with most Habs in that regard considering basically nobody other than Suzuki has been able to stay in the lineup for two straight seasons. Evans was one of only 3 players last season who played over 70 games. If the measure of a player being "useless" is health, then Montreal needs to move everyone not named Suzuki.
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No more Monahan please! It's because of this expermient if we are not lower in the standings. He play 25 games like he can, making this team competitive and we surf on that fake wave way too long and because of his injury we didn't trade him for a heavy price at the deadline.
This guy is the reason with Montembault we are not the front runner for Bedard at this time because Monahan as kept the mental of this team in competitive mode at least a month too much! He has do more damage than good this year, we can't count on him because of his injury, we didn't know which version he will show and we can't really sign him to trade him at the deadline because we don't know if he would be able to play!
Try this 1 time, not 2 times .. I have nothing to look at another "target" but Monahan is enough! I understand the move at first, a great gamble for the trade deadline and can pay big time with a A prospect, 1st pick or both but in the end this didn't go like we thought and we got the worst scenario we can have : we can't trade him and he make us look a lot better on the ice. The double "ransom" kick you back in the butt and we shoot himself in the feet because of that move!
PS : This 1st pick of Calgary is a really great asset but I don't know in this case if we are winner with this pick. Without Monahan, we would be at least top 3 and I pretend we can be last by a small margin.
Top 8 2023 + 1st Calgary Vs Top 3 2023 with a good chance to Bedard
Personnally, I would choose the second option because a much better "chance" too have Bedard didn't have a price but it's easy to tell after all we know and Calgary have some issues at mid-term and maybe we can "cash in" with their pick and the time given to Dach before playing at center need to be add somewhere in that!!
This guy is the reason with Montembault we are not the front runner for Bedard at this time because Monahan as kept the mental of this team in competitive mode at least a month too much! He has do more damage than good this year, we can't count on him because of his injury, we didn't know which version he will show and we can't really sign him to trade him at the deadline because we don't know if he would be able to play!
Try this 1 time, not 2 times .. I have nothing to look at another "target" but Monahan is enough! I understand the move at first, a great gamble for the trade deadline and can pay big time with a A prospect, 1st pick or both but in the end this didn't go like we thought and we got the worst scenario we can have : we can't trade him and he make us look a lot better on the ice. The double "ransom" kick you back in the butt and we shoot himself in the feet because of that move!
PS : This 1st pick of Calgary is a really great asset but I don't know in this case if we are winner with this pick. Without Monahan, we would be at least top 3 and I pretend we can be last by a small margin.
Top 8 2023 + 1st Calgary Vs Top 3 2023 with a good chance to Bedard
Personnally, I would choose the second option because a much better "chance" too have Bedard didn't have a price but it's easy to tell after all we know and Calgary have some issues at mid-term and maybe we can "cash in" with their pick and the time given to Dach before playing at center need to be add somewhere in that!!
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I've been around him enough long when he was playing in Victo to know that he have nothing to do in that story. He's with his girlfriend since before the QMJHL and he never drink alcool or go to the bar.
They are other reasons that would make the Ducks wanting them to move him but I'm 98 % sure that it have nothing do with the WJC Scandal.
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Well I doubt we tank next year. So might as well add good pkayers where we can. Monahan is a good player.
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I think Evans is a good stop gap for another year or so until someone challenges him for his spot, however he'll be a UFA after 24-25 so I think it would be smart to move him before he hits free agency given he's been injured quite often.
Hopefully by then he'll have competition from someone like Beck or Kapanen that he won't be needed.
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If you want to try to be more competitive next year I would target everyone but Monahan. He has play 25 games and we didn't even know what the Monahan 3.0 could be. A great caracter player, very good player when he doesn't have health issue, something he has for the past 4 years, but we can't simply "Count" on him.
We don't know if he would be able to play 82 games and if not if we can trade him at the deadline. Nothing against the player just a time to move on! Monahan at 100% is a no-brainer but with the body of a modern Frankenstein it's another story!
I didn't have a spot for him on my roster whatever if we tank or if we try to win next year because he would not be able to help us on both case for a reason not related to hockey but his past injury because I have my doubt this guy would play the next 100 games without missing one or maintain his level of play when is fully healthy!
Like we see this year, with Monahan we are another team and much more competitive but in signing him it's like knowing your team would have 2 versions : With Monahan, a bubble playoff team, and Without Monahan, a favourite lottery pick candidate, because he would be not able to play 82 games.
If you are the GM, it's the last thing you want because you don't build your team on ??? and hoping your core players didn't get injured and if you have others options, without being a better hockey player, they would fund someone else who is more "reliable".
Don't felt in love with your players, everyone like Monahan but from a hockey point it's not really a good hockey decision to keep him further at the price he would ask! If he is ready to take a one year discount to make his name again before signing a long term deal somewhere else it's a different story but if he ask 5 millions or multiple year deals I will run the faster I can ...
MarkovsKnee
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I would be fine with that, as long as he clears the WJC investigation.
Dallas Eakins is a truly shitty coach. No surprise that players that were released from that organization last summer are doing better elsewhere.
Not sure where he fits in the lineup. Maybe we can trade him for Gurianov?
MarkovsKnee
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He's UFA G6 this year. He was on waivers at the beginning of the season but no way he would clear them now. He's had a good year in AHL.
He'll be a hot commodity this summer.
Yuck! I really hope Gorton/Hughes are not asking Molson for his opinion. He's the one who put us in this mess in the first place. He needs to stay far away from this team.
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Jets can't force Dubois, Scheifele, and Helle to sign long term. Starts with Dubois and he already told them he wont' sign past his UFA years. So this comes down to what they think they can get at the 24 TDL or this summer. I'm not on board with the Jets just saying they will let him play out his last RFA year and go through even more distractions while they risks injury and end up with nothing. I also think GM's who trade futures for rentals want the chance to extend them. Lets not pretend the Chiarot and Giroux trades are typical. I'm pretty sure Lou knew of his chances to extend Horvat before he made the trade.
So this is about the Trouba circumstance of trade value and he also had one RFA year left coming off a 50 pts season as a Dman. My offers are based around that... 20th pick and Pionk. 2nd, Gurianov, Tuch is not my noise.
I have Beck as the prime piece and then the Habs early 2nd. Then we add a NHL contract and that could be one of Gurianov or Harris or one of Dvorak, Eddy, Hoffman, Armia. Then we add a grade B. Maybe one of Tuch or Engstrom and yes, I know there are different values between them two
If the cost is much higher than the Trouba return (or Horvat trade), I pass. I'll take my chances he reaches UFA. I would avoid trying to include the Panthers pick but it's not an automatic no with me. Depends on what others are offering
Compared to the Trouba trade:
* 20th pick vs Beck
* Pionk vs Gurianov/Harris
* Habs early 2nd added
* Grade B added. Tuch or Engstrom. I prefer not to trade Engstrom though.
Panthers pick could be at play but then I change the offer:
* Panthers 1st
* Beck
* Dvorak (all contending teams trying to trade for Dubois don't have enough cap space so they will try to send a contract.
* Tuch
So yeah, I have a low and high point. I think both are competitive to what they could get at the 24 TDL
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I would do to the same for Gurianov! Trade for Comtois!
Gurianov has a higher ceiling without a doubt but a very enigmatic player who need a offensive role to shine or he would not be effective in the lineup. Comtois can play anywhere and more versatile without having the pure skill of the first one, he play the game the right way versus Gurianov. A kind of player who didn't hurt you when he doesn't produce something we can't say for Gurianov.
I think MSL will be able to work more on the game of Comtois than Gurianov. I can be wrong but I see Gurianov like a much poorer version of AK46 someone who is not interested to learn and he play when he want. With the prospect incoming in the next few years I think it would be more interesting to add Comtois to the mix because he can play everywhere and be more useful than Gurianov could be.
After the trade of Dadonov, some compare Gurianov to Nichuskin, the first got the offensive numbers without being a 200 feet hockey player and the second one didn't have the offensive number with Dallas but play the game the right way on 200 feet! A world of difference like AK versus Lekhonen and not the same kind of DNA player at all; the only thing they have in common is they came from Dallas!
PS : I have some doubt in the way Anaheim threat Comtois, I find that pretty strange that a team who is in rebuild and suck that bad are not interested too invested more time in him after showing some potential in his rookie season! I can't remember when or where. I try but I can't find this, but I have already read a thing about some issues with his character and the reason he felt in "disgrace" at some point!
I would like to see a 4th line like Heineman-Evans-Comtois in the near future!
If we can agree that next year will be a developmental year, as will the season after, and likely the one after that (it doesn't mean that the players, individually, and the team, can't improve along that time frame), there should not, however, be a sudden influx of rookies next season. That would be to many fresh faces at once.
Maybe a couple next year, tops and a couple the year after, etc.
Five rookies on D is the exception to the norm, for example, not a healthy model to follow. That it worked is a bonus, but entirely unexpected and improbable -- It's a credit to the youngsters and the development team, including the coaching staff and their approach
Heineman and someone else, maybe should be added. It works well with the normal attrition of players as Hoffman, if not gone in the offseason, for example, won't be around past next season. Same with Edmundson.
From Hoffman, Armia and Gallagher, it's not clear for me that they all need to or will play ahead of youngsters, necessarily.
Pitlick, Pezzetta and Belizle and Gurianov, the latest project, aren't locks in the lineup either, IMO, nether is Ylonen, really. Who should win the 13th forward position. Do you reward the then 32-yr-old Belizle or go with the beloved Pizza Man? It definitely shouldn't be a youngster that needs development time because there is a future to nurture.
RHP seems, however, to have made a solid case for himself.
Caufield, Suzuki, Dach, Slafkovsky, Anderson, RHP, and Dvorak and Evans (?) are the only certain forwards as far as I'm concerned.
That's only Eight players out of twelve, Eleven if you include the dead weight of Hoffman, Armia and Gallagher. Add Heineman and you're at Twelve and, even if we trade for Dubois (which could also get rid of a Dvorak, maybe), without ridding ourselves of anyone in the list of players just enumerated (which I doubt), who cares if one of Hoffman, Armia or Gallagher are not playing, but still on the roster? Same thing if a prospect like Roy, or someone else completely wows us and makes the NHL out of camp?
The real problem will be the following year and, by then, Hoffman and Edmundson will be gone. There'll be one more spot open up front and, worse comes to worse, we buy out Armia who will only have one year left in his contract and would only count as a buyout Cap recuperation for two years. Still, I'm pretty sure someone, with a year remaining, tales Armia at 1.7M. It's barely 600K towards the cap if he gets buried in the minors.
There will be room for youngsters going forward, all in the right time frame.
Next year, they won't all be ready to make the Show - far from it.
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These kinds of threads have always been fan fiction.
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For sure. At 6'6 and might be breaking out. People might be thinking the next Thompson, or Thompson lite.
I don't think your first offer is competitive to necessarily beat out a 2024 TDL offer for Dubois, even if it is just as a pure rental.
A team like TB showed it is willing to pat with late first rounders when they did so to sign Savard as a pure rental.
Dubois is more than a mere depth addition for a long playoff push, so adding a talented prospect that would be trapped by the depth chart shouldn't be out of the question for a team that feels they absolutely need Dubois as the missing piece to go all the way.
Your second offer easily beats a 2024 TDL offer for a ure rental, though, IMO.
If Montreal is comfortable paying the FLA 1st and Beck (I know we get rid of a contract wth term in Dvorak and that we throwing a prospect with some limited upside that likely won't ever have room in Montreal), the main components of the offer, I go that high, trying for less, of course, this offseason.
There are pictures of Comtois partying with the boys and celebrating their victory at the bar. Il a l'air arrosé, pis pas à peu près. The players who were responsible for this were at the bar that night, that's for sure. You never know what people can do, especially when they're in a crowd/group.
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I cant wait until PLD is traded elsewhere so this nonsense can be over.....
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You're using the narrative that the Tampa trades for Savard and Jeannot are typical. They are not typical but they do happen from time to time. One area you are overlooking is their cap hit at a time when Tampa didn't have much space. Circumstance matters. Dubois one year deal next year will be what? $6M - $7.5M range? Even at 50% retention, Tampa can't fit that in cause they are cap tight and will be so again next year. Top 10 or top 12 contenders are the ones we need to look at and most if not all of them will be cap tight.
I have my low and high end. And both are based on circumstance we may or may not know.
I don't buy for one bit that the Jets like the idea of trading Dubois at the 24 TDL. There are risks to that.
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