HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #84: Off-Season edition

[Habs Halifax]

they don't actually have to do the OS. They have to make The Jets think they will and then it might be a better negos.....

I created a non Habs fans offer thread on the main boards. Just to see what other fans would offer and it's not good so far. Lets pay attention to it over the next week ish. Jets are going to be humbled IMO.

I really do think my Beck, Habs 2nd, Gurianov or Harris, and Tuch is a better offer than what any other team will offer.

Lets face it, Chevy tried to see what he could get for Dubois last summer. And now he has less trade value where the Dubois/Montreal connection is not going away. I think other GM's steer clear and don't interfere like the Jets did when Dubois asked out of Columbus.

 

[RationalExpectations]

I created a non Habs fans offer thread on the main boards. Just to see what other fans would offer and it's not good so far. Lets pay attention to it over the next week ish.

Jets are going to be humbled IMO.

Why would they get less than for a rental ?

 

[MarkovsKnee]

Parekh and Yaremchuk look really good too. Is Hagens this year or is he in the Misa class?

2025. Hagens & Misa

 

[Habs Halifax]

Why would they get less than for a rental ?

I think GM's who pay for rentals still want a shot at extending him.

Lets not pretend that the Panthers trading for Chiarot and Giroux knowing they likely can't keep them is typical.

Lets also not pretend that teams like the Islanders trade their pick when they are not in a playoff spot. I'm pretty sure Lou knew of his chances at extending him before he made the trade.

Lets not pretend that other GM's will pay top dollar in trade value for the one RFA year and not care if he walks. No distraction to their team during that season at all right? GM's don't care about potential distractions?

 

[Miller Time]

The issue is that MTL is not close to contending. Sure Dubois improves your core. No doubt about that, he is the guy I want on my 2nd line to win a cup. But WPG shows that even with him Scheifele Connor Ehlers you can‘t succeed without good depth, which the Habs do not have yet and good D which Habs do not have yet.

You look at the Habs but you need to look at the rest of the East which will still be stacked : even with Dubois, MTL is weaker than CAR NYR NJD BOS TBL TOR NYI, then you may hope PIT to weaken because of core age but FLA is right here, BUF, OTT and DET have a better young core than MTL right now. MTL is not one Dubois away from contention, I don t spend that 2024 because in my opinion MTL won t be a lot better in 2024 as they are now. Of course you trade Hoffman, Anderson, get Dubois, you have a full Guhle Caufield Dach season you are closer to the playoffs but I have not seen a full season from Guhle and Dach at least so just stay the course be patient. Duchene and Karlsson trades are cautionary tales and you want to rush for another trade like that…

By the way I am one of the guys here saying you should not overvalue draft picks, just saying you need them when you are rebuilding and needing a 1C, a 1D, a 1G.

Yes, and, the team is far closer to contending with Dubois than with a 2024 draft pick... not sure why that's not evident?

Suzuki - Dubois - Dach (plus beck/kidney/kapanen/mysak & perhaps '23 prospects) = contending C group in their prime, so adding Dubois removes C from the area of need.

yes, a clear #1D remains an area of need. Guhle/Mailloux/Hutson all have ceiling potential to become that over next 3-5 years, but none are a lock. Targetting that i'm sure is a priority, but adding Dubois at the expense of the '24 1st doesn't really limit the pathway of adding that asset either via trade or UFA.

Ditto for 1G.

 

[Miller Time]

Gorton/Hughes are going to acquire Dubois without using the Panthers 1st and our two RD's (Barron and Mailloux). Roy won't be traded and the Jets probably don't like the undersized Hutson. I've even heard lots of their fans pass on Hutson.

Fans can laugh at this all they want but Beck, Habs early 2nd, Harris or Gurianov, and Tuch is my offer knowing what I know today. Jets deciding to turn that down thinking they can get better at the 24 TDL with distractions all season long and a possible injury to Dubois is not something I see them doing.

It does depend on what teams like the Avs and Canes try though. If Dubois is open to sign/trade with them too, we may have to trade Beck and the Panthers 1st.

your crystal ball aside, my post was a reply to a hypothetical. I'd love to see us add Dubois for free in the summer of '24, or to get him without giving up any high-value assets. My point was simply that the '24 1st + 3rd is not a price i'd be unwilling to pay if that was deemed the best way to acquire him.

we can suggest all sorts of alternative packages... my preference would be something around Dvorak and lesser prospects like ylonen/strubble/norlinder et.

funny thing is that where we sit today, i would bet that Beck will be a better NHLer than what our '24 1st round pick ends up being... so your proposal could very well end up being far better for the jets than the habs '24 1st + 3rd with several years of hindsight. But that's because I'm bullish on Beck becoming an elite 3C or maybe even top-notch 2C, and because I'm bullish on the habs being a wildcard caliber team next season. None of us can know with any certainty if either of those 2 things will be true, but if they are, Beck/2nd/Harris would then be a far bigger price to have paid than a mid-round 1st and 3rd.

crystal balls should be used for lottery numbers if they are that accurate, they are wasted in hypothetical discussions on a message board

 

[Miller Time]

We have more than enough young pieces and picks to make a trade happen if the Jets are looking to settle it this summer. It's really not an issue IMO. I don't see much of a need to go the hostile offer route, unless the Jets are being completely ridiculous about their demands.

I agree. Given their situation, and assuming the PLD focus on signing in montreal as a UFA are true, there's a deal to be made that gets them a better outcome than keeping him on another 1-year deal and risking injury or team disruption in a season where playoffs/cup will likely still be a focus (given the contract status of their core)... they'd be hard pressed to trade him in season for futures without undermining the team objectives, so much better to move him this summer and get the best offer we'd provide, and we have enough assets and NHL assets for Hughes to give up decent quality.

Dvorak, Ylonen/RHP/Gurianov, Norlinder/Stubble, + some mix of 2nd/3rd/4th round picks
perhaps Kidney or Kapanen if they really push...

Jets would be foolish to turn down something in that vein IF they get a clear indication PLD is not re-signing there and he makes it clear to other potential suitors that his intention is Montreal come summer of '24

as much as it might make some recoil, I also wouldn't be surprised to see a Hoffman/Ehlers component in the mix. Ehlers is not meshing well with Bowness, and getting out of the extra year + 1.5M cap differential could be viewed as valuable to them... on our end, Ehlers fits well in the style of play MSL is pushing and would be a veteran top-6 wing upgrade that would be worth the cap addition and extra year, imo. He'd be a great winger to play with anyone of Suzuki/PLD/Dach for the next 2 years

CC- Suzuki - Ehlers
Anderson - PLD - Farrell/Heineman
Slaf - Dach - Gally/Heineman

that would be a fun top-9 to roll with for the next 2 years, with Roy/Heineman/Mesar/'23 pick pushing Gally out of the mix in '23-24 or '24-25

 

[Kwikwi]

Caufield - Suzuki - Dach - PLD - Slaf - Anderson - Dvorak - RHP - Hoffman - Gallagher - Pezzetta - Farrell - Evans //// - Armia - Pitlick - Ylonen - Belzile - 1st picks - Heineman - Beck
Drouin - Gurianov - Monahan

Unless we trade a packageof player for PLD we have a lot of bodies up front...
Probably they wont resign Drouin Monahan and Gurianov for that reason.

Draft will be fun

 

[Habs Halifax]

Caufield - Suzuki - Dach - PLD - Slaf - Anderson - Dvorak - RHP - Hoffman - Gallagher - Pezzetta - Farrell - Evans //// - Armia - Pitlick - Ylonen - Belzile - 1st picks - Heineman - Beck
Drouin - Gurianov - Monahan

Unless we trade a packageof player for PLD we have a lot of bodies up front...
Probably they wont resign Drouin Monahan and Gurianov for that reason.

Draft will be fun

We probably don't win a lottery spot but Dubois, Smith, and Reinbacher would be a good draft day for me. I do think Reinbacher will be in the 10-15 range so we will have to trade down with the Panthers 1st. Some say he goes 5-10 but I don't see it. Beck, Habs 2nd, one of (Gurianov or Harris), and Tuch is my offer for Dubois and that is better than what the Jets can get at the 24 TDL.

 

[themilosh]

I can already see the duos forming with likes of:

Caufield-Suzy -- owning everything
Dach-Heineman -- playing against top line
Slaf-Dubois -- Nightmare knights

That's a top 6 ala québecoise, skillzy and well spread. After that, only 3 spots left for all these guys :

Andy
Roy
Farell
Mesar
Beck
Kidney
RHP
Gurianov
Ylonen
Kapanen
Richard
Tuch
Etc...

Plus our 11 picks.
Gotta realize many of these guys won't even have their chance with our depth.

I think Kent knows its quantity for quality time. We already have a great young core, no need for more years of suckage hoping for a lottery win or a hidden Kucherov.

not to mention this years pick "could" be Michkov which we wouldnt get until D+3 which is perfect timing to have the new shining rookie join the SC quest.

 

[morhilane]

Since Dobes was signed, teams would could do with a new backup (Allen or even Primeau) in the NHL. Most of these teams have no ready goalies in the AHL that I can see and their current backups could do with some improvements. This year goalie UFA crop is the ones they already have:
- San Jose
- Seattle
- Vancouver
- St. Louis (been there, done that)
- Columbus
- NYI
- NYR (unless they resign Halak?)
- Detroit
- Ottawa

Bonus:: Carolina, both goalies UFA, lots of people to resign, might not be able to resign both.

 

[Andrewcoursol]

Of course, Bettman could crack down on it. I'm not sure, though, what his recourse could be if it is legal according tot he CBA?

the NHL did nothing when the salary cap is an afterthought for the playoffs, so nothing would be done with any contract that does not exceed the allowable percentage limit that a player can make, especially if it is within the teams salary cap structure to be able to do so.

 

[SlafySZN]

What would Chicago ask for Reichel?

Would be a type of acquisition i would like at the draft.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Minor look, but the Habs should look to Dallas and buy cheap on Riley Tufte..

 

[SlafySZN]

Minor look, but the Habs should look to Dallas and buy cheap on Riley Tufte..

Is he skilled?

How come he only has 13 games in the NHL at near 25 years old?

Never seen the guy but geez 6’6 lol

 

[RationalExpectations]

Since Dobes was signed, teams would could do with a new backup (Allen or even Primeau) in the NHL. Most of these teams have no ready goalies in the AHL that I can see and their current backups could do with some improvements. This year goalie UFA crop is the ones they already have:
- San Jose
- Seattle
- Vancouver
- St. Louis (been there, done that)
- Columbus
- NYI
- NYR (unless they resign Halak?)
- Detroit
- Ottawa

Bonus:: Carolina, both goalies UFA, lots of people to resign, might not be able to resign both.

SJS won t spend any asset for anything, they clearly still tank next year in my opinion.
SEA still have Grubauer Drieger on the books, don‘t see them adding Allen, and Primeau is a big gamble if they want to fight for a playoff spot.
VAN is my 2nd team, I think Allen is a perfect fit because as long as Demko is healthy he is not going to play more than 30 games and we all know his performance drops when he plays too much. When I proposed it last year, VAN fans did not really like it but I think he could have been a great replacement when Demko got injured. However they don t have 2nd rounders anymore.
STL has Binnington Hofer
CBJ may look for a goalie indeed, but how many assets would they spend ? I typically would see them go the UFA road.
NYI, NYR I think could be a good landing place for Allen for same reason as VAN
DET likely still searching for the n1 goalie, i.e. Not Allen or Primeau
OTT is searching for a n1 goalie too, they won t want a young goalie or a backup in my opinion
CAR has plenty of cap space and Kotchenko already signed

What would Chicago ask for Reichel?

Would be a type of acquisition i would like at the draft.

Too much. I am a big fan of his. I wanted him at the draft (not that I regret MTL taking Guhle) and he has been trending very well since. I think CHI will build with him rather than trade him

 

[Expos94]

I was looking at the conditions from the Monahan trade, and that pick is kinda interesting.

We would need a lot to go right, but it's not impossible that it becomes a lottery pick in 2025/2026.

We need Calgary to go through some kind of retool (looking likely) and FLA to have a bottom 10 year in 2025.

I m betting that pick will be a top ten , Hughes will look like a genius

 

[Benstheman]

Would you guys be interested in Max Comtois as a reclamation project? He was kinda trending well in his 3 first seasons but his last two are underwhelming.

He is RFA with arbitration rights but I don’t think he can ask for more than what he is already making, which is 2M$ per.

His time is over in Anaheim I heard so I guess the cost to get him would not be high. Maybe a B prospect, Colorado’s 2nd rounder in 2024 or Habs 3rd in 2024?

What do you say?

 

[1909]

Would you guys be interested in Max Comtois as a reclamation project? He was kinda trending well in his 3 first seasons but his last two are underwhelming.

He is RFA with arbitration rights but I don’t think he can ask for more than what he is already making, which is 2M$ per.

His time is over in Anaheim I heard so I guess the cost to get him would not be high. Maybe a B prospect, Colorado’s 2nd rounder in 2024 or Habs 3rd in 2024?

What do you say?

Comtois could be a better Pezetta for sure, even a third line LW.... BUT... The enquire about the 2018 Junior players involved in a rape in London is about to be made public , and the players of that edition are not allowed to play for Team Canada at the next World Championship. Smells really fishy.

 

[calder candidate]

Would you guys be interested in Max Comtois as a reclamation project? He was kinda trending well in his 3 first seasons but his last two are underwhelming.

He is RFA with arbitration rights but I don’t think he can ask for more than what he is already making, which is 2M$ per.

His time is over in Anaheim I heard so I guess the cost to get him would not be high. Maybe a B prospect, Colorado’s 2nd rounder in 2024 or Habs 3rd in 2024?

What do you say?

It would not give a 2nd or 3rd round pick that is too much for a reclamation…

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

There are at least 8 teams with no NHL calibre goaltender where Montembault would be an improvement. They should offer a 1st for him.

 

[Sebastien]

There are at least 8 teams with no NHL calibre goaltender where Montembault would be an improvement. They should offer a 1st for him.

Lol he's worth a 3rd at best

 

[WeThreeKings]

Would you guys be interested in Max Comtois as a reclamation project? He was kinda trending well in his 3 first seasons but his last two are underwhelming.

He is RFA with arbitration rights but I don’t think he can ask for more than what he is already making, which is 2M$ per.

His time is over in Anaheim I heard so I guess the cost to get him would not be high. Maybe a B prospect, Colorado’s 2nd rounder in 2024 or Habs 3rd in 2024?

What do you say?

Not really, we need to start conserving spots for our youth to come in.. I'd only be looking for Dach style opportunities, Comtois if he is reclaimed is just a bottom 6er, not worth it.

 

[Vachon23]

Comtois could be a better Pezetta for sure, even a third line LW.... BUT... The enquire about the 2018 Junior players involved in a rape in London is about to be made public , and the players of that edition are not allowed to play for Team Canada at the next World Championship. Smells really fishy.

Comtois and Pez doesn't have the same role though

And I'm extremely confident telling you that Comtois have nothing to do in that story

 

[Guy Larose]

There are at least 8 teams with no NHL calibre goaltender where Montembault would be an improvement. They should offer a 1st for him.

Monty's not going anywhere as per Hughes