HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #84: Off-Season edition

[WeThreeKings]

Agreed, unless they're after Samsonov...

moves will be done via trade, Kent has to try and find a way to trade Armia and Allen IMO.
Hoffman and Edmundson I can live with in the final year of contracts. Gallagher unfortunately there won't be takers. You can also try Price to Arizona but it would probably cost us a 1st to go with it.


Hoffman can stay since he has a year left and I think can be moved next deadline. Armia is one of the 2-3 players Kent needs to try and get rid of. There is just no space for him with younger players being able to do his job like RHP, Ylonen...

I wouldn't touch Samsonov and I don't think they will either.

Armia won't be going anywhere, too much money, too much term.

Allen is a huge maybe, if they don't want to lose Primeau on waivers they should go to a Monty/Primeau tandem and they should be able to procure a 2nd + for Allen from a play-off team, or a bubble team, that failed because of goaltending.

Hoffman will likely be a deadline move but maybe someone gets desperate because of the weak UFA crop.

Edmundson definitely gets moved, they have a LHD log jam, the question on Eddy was his health and he's been healthy since the trade deadline.

I'd also expect that Anderson gets dealt at the draft, they want that 3rd first.. either for a goalie, or to move it for PLD.. so Anderson makes the most sense there.

 

[Ezpz]

Honestly with zero free agent avenues, I would not be surprised to see us trade for Dubois. Lack of free agents means lack of ways for other teams in our division to improve. We will see where Kent Hughes thinks we are though, as his public comments were two to three years more of whatever we are doing now.

 

[calder candidate]

And it would cost you 4 first don't think so.

Sorry, I didn’t realize it was a offer sheet

 

[Picaroon]

I think HUGO targets Minnesota's '23 1st with Edmundson at 50% retained. Minny will want to be competitive again next year but they have some serious cap restraints and may lose Dumba and/or Klingberg. Ed at 1.75m is pretty attractive for them and they are weak at LD. Their pick will likely by in the 25-32 range.

 

[Vachon23]

I think HUGO targets Minnesota's '23 1st with Edmundson at 50% retained. Minny will want to be competitive again next year but they have some serious cap restraints and may lose Dumba and/or Klingberg. Ed at 1.75m is pretty attractive for them and they are weak at LD. Their pick will likely by in the 25-32 range.

The best fit I see for Edmundson is Buffalo

Not a lot of UFA this year and they need a veteran defensive presence

 

[Sebastien]

I think HUGO targets Minnesota's '23 1st with Edmundson at 50% retained. Minny will want to be competitive again next year but they have some serious cap restraints and may lose Dumba and/or Klingberg. Ed at 1.75m is pretty attractive for them and they are weak at LD. Their pick will likely by in the 25-32 range.

Minnesota isn't weak at ld. They are stacked including prospect. Not happening with their gm

 

[Picaroon]

Minnesota isn't weak at ld. They are stacked including prospect. Not happening with their gm

Stacked? Spurgeon, Dumba, Addison, Klingberg are all RD. And why wouldn't Weight want to add Ed at 1.75?? Such certainty with no context in your post.

The best fit I see for Edmundson is Buffalo

Not a lot of UFA this year and they need a veteran defensive presence

Yes I'm just looking at young teams who's playoff window is starting to open who may not be attached to late 1st picks this year. Buffalo fits that bill but their first might be a bit high. We'd need to add a bit.

 

[26Mats]

To Arizona: Dvorak, Armia, Trudeau, Norlinder + (Hoffman 50% retained?)

To MTL: future considerations

 

[Whalers Fan]

To Arizona: Dvorak, Armia, Trudeau, Norlinder + (Hoffman 50% retained)

To MTL: future considerations

Phoenix is home to the Waste Management Open PGA golf tournament, so I guess this fits. I can just hear that big green garbage truck beeping as it backs up to load this haul.

 

[Habnot]

I think HUGO targets Minnesota's '23 1st with Edmundson at 50% retained. Minny will want to be competitive again next year but they have some serious cap restraints and may lose Dumba and/or Klingberg. Ed at 1.75m is pretty attractive for them and they are weak at LD. Their pick will likely by in the 25-32 range.

Minnesota will have trouble fitting 3.5 under the cap - they have 14M in dead cap for the next 2 years. They have 73m committed with 13 players for 2024.

Price's contract might be a better fit.

 

[Sterling Archer]

To Arizona: Dvorak, Armia, Trudeau, Norlinder + (Hoffman 50% retained?)

To MTL: future considerations

That's not a dumpster fire. It's a dumpster nuke

 

[JustAHabFan]

I am the one who suggested trading Guhle because of our depth at LD (Mainly Matheson and Hutson who will probably take 50 of the 60 minutes available on LD as soon as 2024/2025).

This being said, i would want someome who has a bigger offensive impact than Dubois.

I would want Dubois with the Habs but not at the expense of Guhle.

20 years old defenseman who can skate like Guhle and handle 25 minutes a night are very valuable. I would aim for a true offensive star, an RFA like Tkachuk last year. (Example Zegras this year, if he would become available, which i strongly doubt.)

Drouin for Sergachev was enough.

 

[jellybeans]

Even if PLD signs that, that pick is Montreal's and you can't protect it, so that makes no sense for the Habs to do.

I guess it depends how much are you willing to risk,getting Dubois and a few more tweeks plus our young players will be getting better i can see us finishing 15 to 20 in the standing so is that pick worth more then what we will have to give for Dubois.Personnaly i would wait till he's ufa and it would cost any assets but there's so many rumours that he will be a hab this summer if so i would gamble the offer sheet.

 

[Picaroon]

Minnesota will have trouble fitting 3.5 under the cap - they have 14M in dead cap for the next 2 years. They have 73m committed with 13 players for 2024.

Price's contract might be a better fit.

That's why I think he'd be attractive to them at 50%. They will have cap casualties this season on D and will need replacements. They will want to be competitive next year after this year's success.

 

[Habs Icing]

We actually don't need to sign any FAs.. we need to move bodies out more than anything.

Can't we outsource that job to Rizzuto's mob? They have ample experience.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

I guess it depends how much are you willing to risk,getting Dubois and a few more tweeks plus our young players will be getting better i can see us finishing 15 to 20 in the standing so is that pick worth more then what we will have to give for Dubois.Personnaly i would wait till he's ufa and it would cost any assets but there's so many rumours that he will be a hab this summer if so i would gamble the offer sheet.

Considering the injury history of this team the past 2 seasons and what the team looks like next year as of today, which is pretty much the same with PLD added (potentially) I still wouldn't. That 1st is top 10

 

[MarkovsKnee]

The best fit I see for Edmundson is Buffalo

Not a lot of UFA this year and they need a veteran defensive presence

That's who I think is the best fit too. Mentioned it several times prior to TDL, as people were screaming Edmonton, Edmonton, Edmonton. Buffalo has extra 2nds.

Something like Edmundson, Calgary's 2023 5th, San Jose's 2024 5th for Buffalo's 2023 & 2024 2nd round picks & Vsevolod Komarov (RD).

 

[Scriptor]

If we are doing to have a handshake deal. Would it be better to sign him for 1year for like 14m$ and and a 8 year deal at a lower AAV. Than one year a 6.3M$ + 8 year extension at full price.

He can be paid 16.5M, I believe, If that shaves 1M + off an 8 X 8M deal afterwards, it's well worth it.

Imagine Dubois signed for 6.75M X 8 years!?

And it would cost you 4 first don't think so.

No, but you could do that of you traded for Dubois before he signed his next contract.

 

[Draft]

He can be paid 16.5M, I believe, If that shaves 1M + off an 8 X 8M deal afterwards, it's well worth it.

Imagine Dubois signed for 6.75M X 8 years!?


No, but you could do that of you traded for Dubois before he signed his next contract.

An enormously front loaded contract that's actually two separate contracts with a handshake agreement to skirt the CBA? Having MTL do it is a good way for it to be cracked down on.

 

[themilosh]

An enormously front loaded contract that's actually two separate contracts with a handshake agreement to skirt the CBA? Having MTL do it is a good way for it to be cracked down on.

Better make use of it now then, why shouldnt we be able to deal in the grey area?, as long as it's not illegal go for it, i just call it smart Cap management.

It also shows trust in a player (sometimes worth more) to the Franchise... give him 1 yr max, and then sign him to 8 years at a lower average... the NHL could never intervene, it's smart biz with RISK either way.

 

[themilosh]

Better make use of it now then, why shouldnt we be able to deal in the grey area?, as long as it's not illegal go for it, i just call it smart Cap management.

It also shows trust in a player (sometimes worth more) to the Franchise... give him 1 yr max, and then sign him to 8 years at a lower average... the NHL could never intervene, it's smart biz with RISK either way.

Having PLD sign here via trade gives us the perfect window to then draft Michkov at 5th oa. Not many markets picking top 5 would ever allow a risk pick (contracts), but a savvy market with intelligent fans would accept it with open arms.

Even though i like Michkov, we cant draft him without knowing our C top 6 was big and shored up for 8-10 years.. theres no other established 1/2C in the league than PLD (willing to sign here EVER), and we have NONE in the pipeline..
Signing PLD this year strengthens our team to become a playoff bubble almost instantly: Suzuki/Dach/PLD would be the best top3C in the league.. formidable.
Meaning we have 3 legit W/C in our top 6!! Do people unestimate how huge that is?

 

[themilosh]

Having PLD sign here via trade gives us the perfect window to then draft Michkov at 5th oa. Not many markets picking top 5 would ever allow a risk pick (contracts), but a savvy market with intelligent fans would accept it with open arms.

Even though i like Michkov, we cant draft him without knowing our C top 6 was big and shored up for 8-10 years.. theres no other established 1/2C in the league than PLD (willing to sign here EVER), and we have NONE in the pipeline..
Signing PLD this year strengthens our team to become a playoff bubble almost instantly: Suzuki/Dach/PLD would be the best top3C in the league.. formidable.
Meaning we have 3 legit W/C in our top 6!! Do people unestimate how huge that is?

Then in 3 yrs our top 6 would be:
Suzuki . Dach . PLD . Caufield . Michkov . Slafkovsky

Thats a STANLEY CUP top 6 right there. All 1st rounders, exactly what every SC winning team needs.. canadian fans dont get why we havent won for 30years - it's right on our doorstep, and we have posters salivating over Mesar, Beck, etc.... goof grief, those guys then gecome assets to get a 1D, etc...

Prove me wrong.

 

[JRichard]

Then in 3 yrs our top 6 would be:
Suzuki . Dach . PLD . Caufield . Michkov . Slafkovsky

Thats a STANLEY CUP top 6 right there. All 1st rounders, exactly what every SC winning team needs.. canadian fans dont get why we havent won for 30years - it's right on our doorstep, and we have posters salivating over Mesar, Beck, etc.... goof grief, those guys then gecome assets to get a 1D, etc...

Prove me wrong.

Doesnt matter if they were drafted in 1st round or not.
24-18-32-28 are not loto numbers of last 4 seasons.
Please lets not talk Stanley before we get close to getting in the PO.

 

[TomKosto]

That's who I think is the best fit too. Mentioned it several times prior to TDL, as people were screaming Edmonton, Edmonton, Edmonton. Buffalo has extra 2nds.

Something like Edmundson, Calgary's 2023 5th, San Jose's 2024 5th for Buffalo's 2023 & 2024 2nd round picks & Vsevolod Komarov (RD).

Can we really get a 2nd+ for Ed? Really poor level of play this year which make sense considering his injuries.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

Can we really get a 2nd+ for Ed? Really poor level of play this year which make sense considering his injuries.

Hope so! We'll see obviously.