HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #84: Off-Season edition

[Habs Halifax]

I am hoping Hughes trades some vets this off-season.

I think Eddy will be traded. Others like Hoffman, Dvorak, Armia are hard to guess. I know Gorton/Hughes will try but they are not going to be desperate to move them ASAP.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Hughes has access to free agent market this summer. Last year he has capped out. He usually is quite creative. Be interesting to see what he does.

If anything he should use the space to take on a bad contract, or two for incentive again.

 

[Galchenyuk15]

I mostly agree with your proposals as Ive basically made the same acquisitions in my post just above yours, but as great as he might be, I don't think giving up 2 first, a roster player and a solid prospect for Askarov is wise as he's not a sure thing. In 2013, VAN traded Schneider for the 9th OA pick and he was coming of a couple of really solid seasons IN THE NHL, and he was young. My trade above of Holloway (or any solid prospect acquired in a trade) + 13th OA is the max Id do. If they don't take that kind of offer (which I think would be crazy for a team like NAS in lack of offense and considering Askarov is still a prospect), then I would just look at Hart in PHI as hed probably cost less and already showed that he can be solid in the NHL (despite a few bad seasons).

I know my trade doesn't have logic it's just an example of "If you want, you can" even if the other team are not willing to listen at first. The only goalie I have paid that kind of assets is Price at the time and just 6 months ago I didn't really like Askarov but he have made some giant step this year and he made change my mind.

At the time of the trade, Schneider use to be the goalie with the better save pct% of all the goalie in the history of the game; really not the same thing as Askarov and like you said he was young and ready to take the number 1 spot.

To make somethng more logical but still doesn't have sense for us at the moment, only for the purpose to talking hockey, and you are right when you talk about Askarov is all but a "sure" thing. But at some point, we would need to go at the bat and try one; not with the price I show but the goalie we can target are pretty low in numbers.

Askarov + Fabbro vs 2 x 1st pick + Gallagher + Kidney
Fabbro : give time to Barron and Mailloux to came in the big show at the right time; Barron is already there

The goalie I would target because of the price to obtain him versus others and I'm alone in my boat is Dustin Wolf. In every level he play since the age of 16 he is the better goalie of his league. At the time, Patrick Roy didn't get label to be at the side of Ken Dryden and Jacques Plante, probably the worst LHJMQ goalie at the time by the numbers, but this guy can stop the puck in the NHL. Wolf already show that in inferior level, why he can't make it to the next level at least try him!

I don't compare Wolf to Roy but sometimes you need to stop "overthinking" a goalie is paid to stop the puck and it's not always the guy who got pencil as the next one who can make it. I know he is only a 6 feet goalie but I prefer to bet on the guy who is there for the good reason, he stop the puck, before a giant goalie who the puck hit him more than he stop that like Auld or Dubnyk; sometime the coach need to tell them where the puck was ... a "audio" goalie! Use the sound and not his eyes to stop the puck too many times .... I don't care about the size!

I would like Carter Hart like everyone here, he play the game like Carey and when you have a goalie like that everyone become better in your team when he play like he can. A rollercoaster ride for now but with the team Philly has, we already saw that with Price before; sometime a goalie can't make everything and still a human. I just don't figure how Philly can let this guy go when they try to fund a goalie since Pelle Lindbergh. I would be ready to paid a premium price for him because of his age, knowing what he can do and ready to be the starter. He will be my main target!

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The NHL is "broken" in some way in how they manage their team like a woman can be; complicated way too much for nothing. They draft players who can't play hockey but hope they devellop well and didn't look at the guys who play hockey but have some flaws; after that they said I've got a "steal" with Jamie Benn or Mark Stone later in the draft.

They would try every Anders Lindback in this world before giving a chance to Dustin Wolf even if he burn every league he play in the last 5 years. I just don't understant that! Stop trying to be smarter than the other one and keep the thing simple for god sake! Target the hockey player with good fundamentals and stop with the non-sense of "overthinking" too much or project X and look the game with your EYES!

They need a kick in the butt and change the "prehistorical" mentality this league as. I think they need to watch some movies to understand what they miss!

1 - Draft Day : "Vonte Mack, no matter what"
Pick your player for the good reason and not the "sexy pick" to pleasure someone else for the bad reason!

2 - Moneyball : "If we keep trying to do what the Yankees do, we would never be able to beat them"
Stop with the old mentality everyone need to make some change over the time!

3 - Trouble With The Curve : "I can't see him but this guy can't hit a curveball"
Look at the fundamentals of the game, stop to overthinking too much in trying to be smarter and look with your EYES!

Sorry, I need a coffee ... lol

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

lets say Habs have picks #5 and #16 would that be enough to move up to #2 or 3 to grab one of Fantilli/Carlsson?

 

[ReHabs]

lets say Habs have picks #5 and #16 would that be enough to move up to #2 or 3 to grab one of Fantilli/Carlsson?

Not very likely.

 

[DAChampion]

lets say Habs have picks #5 and #16 would that be enough to move up to #2 or 3 to grab one of Fantilli/Carlsson?

Habs would need to add a lo, e.g. Slafkovsky.

 

[Captain Mountain]

lets say Habs have picks #5 and #16 would that be enough to move up to #2 or 3 to grab one of Fantilli/Carlsson?

No. Trading up from 5 would be incredibly expensive.

 

[BoneHutson]

If anything he should use the space to take on a bad contract, or two for incentive again.

Wonder if WAS would pay us a 2024 first to take on Mantha and his contract?

 

[Habs 4 Life]

lets say Habs have picks #5 and #16 would that be enough to move up to #2 or 3 to grab one of Fantilli/Carlsson?

If you had pick 2 or 3, would you accept that trade?

Quick answer is no from me, that team will not accept it

 

[Vachon23]

Wonder if WAS would pay us a 2024 first to take on Mantha and his contract?

A deal around Anderson vs Mantha +++ could make sense.

I would love there 1st round pick this year and Ryan Chesley is a prospect I would love us to get in our prospect pool.

 

[Habs 4 Life]

A deal around Anderson vs Mantha +++ could make sense.

I would love there 1st round pick this year and Ryan Chesley is a prospect I would love us to get in our prospect pool.

I wouldn't even trade Anderson for him, just if the Caps would like to dump Mantha I'd pick him up for next season and he could replace the salary of Drouin. He would be a good trade bait next TDL.

I doubt the Caps trade their 1st round pick though, they usually keep it and draft, they're better at managing assets then other contenders of the past 10-15 years

 

[Vachon23]

I wouldn't even trade Anderson for him, just if the Caps would like to dump Mantha I'd pick him up for next season and he could replace the salary of Drouin. He would be a good trade bait next TDL.

I doubt the Caps trade their 1st round pick though, they usually keep it and draft, they're better at managing assets then other contenders of the past 10-15 years

I'm taking Mantha as a cap dumb to have more asset in return. Like you said though, if he does have a good season, we could trade him at TDL with 50 % retention for something valuable

I do think they are gonna try to win one last time with Ovi, maybe they will be confortable giving the 1st of 2024 though.

Ryan Chesley would be perfect partner for Hutson and could be our #4 and PK specialist

 

[Ben Grimm]

https://thehockeynews.com/news/more-talk-of-pierre-luc-dubois-possibly-heading-to-the-canadiens

 

[Habs 4 Life]

I'm taking Mantha as a cap dumb to have more asset in return. Like you said though, if he does have a good season, we could trade him at TDL with 50 % retention for something valuable

I do think they are gonna try to win one last time with Ovi, maybe they will be confortable giving the 1st of 2024 though.

Ryan Chesley would be perfect partner for Hutson and could be our #4 and PK specialist

Could be, but I wouldn't bet on it. I think the Caps take their chances with Mantha and if it doesn't work out they flipp him for assets, basically similar to what we will most probably do with Hoffman.

Armia is the player that's bothering me the most, I would definitely trade him and a pick to Arizona or San Jose if they're willing to take him

 

[bcv]

https://thehockeynews.com/news/more-talk-of-pierre-luc-dubois-possibly-heading-to-the-canadiens

Take this shit to the PLD thread.

 

[sampollock]

Take this shit to the PLD thread.

that is the thread to go to, good PLD comments there

 

[Lockin17]

Let's skip the rebuild and start playing in 2024

#14 + Dvorak + Kidney + Gurianov for PLD + Adam Lowry
Harris + Engstrom + Armia for Braden Schneider
#5 + Hutson + Barron for Jiricek + Jordan Dumais (yes a big one here)
Gallagher + calgary first to Vancouver for future
Edmundson (50%) + Hoffman to Oilers for Foegele
Ylonen for a 3th rd pick
Pittlick for a 6th rd pick
Kovacevic for a 4th rd pick


RHP-Suzuki-Caufield (RHP will be the back check guy)
Slaf-PLD-Dach (love that line)
Foegele-Lowry-Anderson (grid line)
Farrell-Beck-Heinemen (not sure ?)
Dumais-Evans-Roy

Ghule-Jiricek ( one of the best duo for 10 years +)
Matheson-Schneider
Wifi-Savard
Engstrom-Mailloux

Montembaut
Allen
Not a bad duo to be honest

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Let's skip the rebuild and start playing in 2024

#14 + Dvorak + Kidney + Gurianov for PLD + Adam Lowry
Harris + Engstrom + Armia for Braden Schneider
#5 + Hutson + Barron for Jiricek + Jordan Dumais (yes a big one here)
Gallagher + calgary first to Vancouver for future
Edmundson (50%) + Hoffman to Oilers for Foegele
Ylonen for a 3th rd pick
Pittlick for a 6th rd pick
Kovacevic for a 4th rd pick


Caufield-Suzuki-Dach
Slaf-PLD-Anderson** (need a better player)
RHP-Lowry-Farrell** (we'll see)
Foegele-Evans-Heinemen
Dumais-Beck-Roy

Ghule-Jiricek
Matheson-Schneider
Wifi-Savard
Edmundson-Mailloux

Montembaut
Allen
Not a bad duo to be honest

That team sucks ass.

 

[Lockin17]

That team sucks ass.

so are you

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

so are you

Your trade proposals are better than that comeback.

 

[Lockin17]

Your trade proposals are better than that comeback.

that team would make the playoff

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

that team woulld make te playoff

Offense isn't really improved.

Defense is nicely improved, but young and not a lot of experience.

Goaltending are the same goalies we have now..

That team isn't better than Toronto, Tampa, or Boston. Habs have to battle for the wild card spots against Ottawa, Florida, Detroit, Buffalo, NY Islanders, Pens and Caps.

I can't see them being better than all/all but 1 of those teams.

 

[Lockin17]

Offense isn't really improved.

Defense is nicely improved, but young and not a lot of experience.

Goaltending are the same goalies we have now..

That team isn't better than Toronto, Tampa, or Boston. Habs have to battle for the wild card spots against Ottawa, Florida, Detroit, Buffalo, NY Islanders, Pens and Caps.

I can't see them being better than all/all but 1 of those teams.

Offense is not improve ??

PLD and Lowry are big pieces

and the fact that Gallagher + Armia + Drouin etc.. are not there anymore that's helps a lot as well

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Offense is not improve ??

PLD and Lowry are big pieces

and the fact that Gallagher + Armia + Drouin etc.. are not there anymore that's helps a lot as well

Lowry is a stud 3rd line centre and replaces Dvorak's offense while providing so much more.

PLD adds 20-30 goals. That isn't enough to get the Habs to win enough games to make the playoffs.

Now, address how the team you've assembled beats all the other teams I've mentioned. Tell me how the goaltending will be good enough to help the team pass all the teams I listed.

 

[jellybeans]

An hostile offer sheet for 6.3m for Dubois kind of makes sense it would cost a 2024 first and 3rd i believe and no way the jets match if they do they can't trade him for a year so they would lose him for nothing its an interesting venue.