HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #84: Off-Season edition

[Sterling Archer]

It's cool that there is a dedicated PLD thread out there...

 

[BaseballCoach]

I mostly agree with your proposals as Ive basically made the same acquisitions in my post just above yours, but as great as he might be, I don't think giving up 2 first, a roster player and a solid prospect for Askarov is wise as he's not a sure thing. In 2013, VAN traded Schneider for the 9th OA pick and he was coming of a couple of really solid seasons IN THE NHL, and he was young. My trade above of Holloway (or any solid prospect acquired in a trade) + 13th OA is the max Id do. If they don't take that kind of offer (which I think would be crazy for a team like NAS in lack of offense and considering Askarov is still a prospect), then I would just look at Hart in PHI as hed probably cost less and already showed that he can be solid in the NHL (despite a few bad seasons).

The Schneider trade was an outlier, a vast overpay.

 

[waitin425]

I hope we don't trade our panthers pick for Dubois.

Maybe a package of Harris + Dvorak + Mesar/Kidney/Engstrom/Calgary first

That's it no more...

Harris has already reached a level more valuable than the mystery box Panthers pick.

I'd do Dvorak + Panthers 1st + Struble for PLD

Save Harris for a future package

 

[BoneHutson]

The Schneider trade was an outlier, a vast overpay.

So, what do you think Askarov would cost?

 

[Vachon23]

So, what do you think Askarov would cost?

A MASSIVE overpayment because NSH have no reasons to trade him

 

[BaseballCoach]

So, what do you think Askarov would cost?

Not interested in giving that much for him. An AHL goalie with a .913 save percentage and very few games the last few years, is a risky gamble. Risky gambles are not taken at a high price.

But I think it is a moot point anyway because Nashville is not interested in trading him for current value. They have invested a lot in Askarov, and have high hopes for him.

 

[Schooner Guy]

A MASSIVE overpayment because NSH have no reasons to trade him

Nashville also has 13 draft picks this year and have 2-3 picks in every round from rounds 1-5. What's even crazier is they still might make the playoffs!

 

[calder candidate]

Carolina is in win now mode and could be looking for a veteran goalie like Saros or Hellebuyck this summer and Montreal could go after Kochetkov in a 3 team trade.

Considering Carolina TDL and history they have shown very little interest about being agressif or give future to win now… also because of the KK situation not sure they are a team we want to help unless we are helping our self significantly

 

[Lockin17]

Draft trade

habs #15 + #70
for
Blues #26 + #27 (Honzek + Dragevic)

 

[Joseph Nathan]

Draft trade

habs #15 + #70
for
Blues #26 + #27 (Honzek + Dragevic)

Blues say no

 

[DiglettDangles]

Harris has already reached a level more valuable than the mystery box Panthers pick.

I'd do Dvorak + Panthers 1st + Struble for PLD

Save Harris for a future package

What elite skill does Harris have to differentiate himself from the players in this league?
His value is above replacement level right now just because he's young and relatively mobile.

We see value in the guy because he can survive in the best league in the world at his age.
If you wait too long you lose that advantage because "good enough" means waiver fodder.

I guess we have different evaluations of his potential.

In other words, no one would trade or use a 15thOA pick for a Jordan Harris profile even today.
I would trade Harris way before the FLA pick.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

Blues say no

Habs say no as well. At 15, you still have a good shot at getting a great player.

 

[HabsFan34]

We would never find someone better or close to PLD at this range, more 5% than 25-30% but I still didn't make the trade because it's like burning free assets. To acquire PLD this year with a trade it's like buying the new PS5 at the start of December at 1000$ when you know it will be at 335$ after Christmas! Non-sense for parents, GM, but all good for kids, us! I hope Hughes will not feel like a Santa Claus with Winny and be a smart dad!

We need a lot of new toys and if we can add some without paying the full price it will be a lot better than the other way. PLD it's not a case like everyone else, everyone know he want to play here. Without having the guarantee he will be here at some point, I believe more than ever we can really add him via UFA versus all the things made over the years.

The Habs are not anymore what it's use to be at the time but Montréal is still something special and some people, like us and some players, know they represent way more than only a hockey team, a thing no other team can't offer and can be a "dream" for a player who understand that.

Hughes and PLD know a lot more than us about what the future could be and without having discuss about term or money, I'm pretty sure they know already if they can work something together in a near future and they know the interest of each one: Hughes want PLD and PLD want to be in Montréal. Hughes already know at the moment if he need to make a trade to obtain him or to wait at the UFA market of the summer 2024.

If the 2 guys work for the same case, for the benefit of the Habs, it's only common sense from the two parts to wait until PLD hit the UFA market because the Habs and PLD himself will benefit about that decision for the next few years with a better chance to win on paper with having more assets; we never have too much and it's harder than ever to win something.

If the goal of PLD is to win something with the Habs, I don't think he would want to be acquire at a premium price or for some pretty good assets or some assets at all if we can do otherwise! What make the Habs successful in their glory years it's how the players put the logo infront of everything else instead than the name behind the jersey; they play for the team not for themselve and in that case of PLD it would be something special if he are already willing to take a bullet for us without being with us for the moment in making the better decision for the Habs! Maybe we need a guy like that to broke the "malediction" we seem to have; bring back the old habit and the culture of what I can make for the Habs to win more hockey games like before!

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Let me show a example of how I would "burn" my assets if I decide to go that way. Just to show how much this assets can be very useful in another way! Everyone know we need a young goalie, we need a RHD and we need a Top 2 center; the last can be achieve with PLD and/or the first pick of this year!

Goalie : I really like Levi and Wolf as "underdog" without the love they deserve but my main target like everyone would be Askarov; even if I have some issue with his mental but I'm a little bit "paranoaic" like you already saw but I think he can be a MAF kind of goalie sometime a wall and sometime being beat in the worst way possible; an elite rollercoaster. They would not want to deal him in any sort of way but you need to make the decision harder sometimes let met explain.

I would wait PLD via UFA and in my example I trade Anderson just to give me more assets to achieve what I want! I would targetting Askarov and a RHD with some pretty got upside without a name for the moment!

PLD via UFA
Anderson trade versus 1st Pick and Prospect B

In the books at the moment :
1st picks : Andy 1st, Flo 1st and Cal 1st
Others assets not include in PLD deal like an establish player and a young player
Prospect B

Askarov versus 2 x 1st picks + Establish Player (Dump Salary) + Prospect A- or B+ something like Kidney
RHD versus 1st picks + Prospect A like Mesar

Without touching your 1st and managing the assets we got gifted over the years, Monahan, Chariot, Toffoli and Andy we push that team a couple a step ahead closer than ever to be ultra competitive again! I don't know if the others team would be interested to listen but like you saw I'm willing to pay the price just tell me what you want and we will find a solution with the thinking of some of the asset to build this deal are "free" because of the commitment of PLD it's not the same case to paid the "full price" like before!

Caufield-Suzuki-Slaf/1st pick 2023
Dach-Dubois-Roy
Farrell-Beck-1st pick 2023/Slaf
RHP-Kapanen-Heineman

Guhle - RHD not name
Hutson - Mailloux
Xhekaj - Barron
Harris

Askarov
??? (Monty)

In that lineup, only Slaf have some QI hockey issue at the moment and it can be just a question of time before he establish himself to another dimension like Rantanen and Draisatl have do later than their rookie year in their career without having the same ceiling! All players are effective with the puck and born to be in the new NHL! We would need to do some upgrade a la Tampa Bay before winning something but it's already a pretty good start and something I would not even dream of 3 years ago!

The creativity, the pace and how this team would be able to play with the puck would be a fresh of breath air after all the years of when we can't do freakin nothing with the puck! We deserve that and I would said more we deserve Bedard after the treatment Price got over the time but it's another story; a la Tom Hanks in "Cast Away"!

PS : Gallagher and Armia still have contract but if we can build that kind of team, Hughes will find a way to move these guys somewhere else and if not they will take the buyout option! I wish nothing bad to Gally but the easiest way would be the LTIR ...

The only benefit I see to getting him earlier and paying a premium to do it, is if they can structure a "9" year deal, where he signs a 1 year contract at a really high salary and then a 8 year contract extension at a lower average salary then he would have gotten if he waited until 2024. The cap savings for the next eight years are worth paying some sort of a premium to get him.

 

[sampollock]

It's cool that there is a dedicated PLD thread out there...

yup. but it is hard to click on it

 

[Sterling Archer]

yup. but it is hard to click on it

APPARENTLY!

 

[Canadienna]

I was looking at the conditions from the Monahan trade, and that pick is kinda interesting.

We would need a lot to go right, but it's not impossible that it becomes a lottery pick in 2025/2026.

We need Calgary to go through some kind of retool (looking likely) and FLA to have a bottom 10 year in 2025.

 

[The Great Weal]

Servalli saying there will be many changes for Calgary this offseason. Anderson would still be a great fit for them.

 

[BargainBinSpecial]

Nashville also has 13 draft picks this year and have 2-3 picks in every round from rounds 1-5. What's even crazier is they still might make the playoffs!

You can thank Brisebois for that.

 

[DAChampion]

I was looking at the conditions from the Monahan trade, and that pick is kinda interesting.

We would need a lot to go right, but it's not impossible that it becomes a lottery pick in 2025/2026.

We need Calgary to go through some kind of retool (looking likely) and FLA to have a bottom 10 year in 2025.

Yes I'm hoping that the Habs draft the next Sydney Crosby with Calgary's pick in 2026

 

[Hansman]

Seriously did we learn absolutely NOTHING from the Drouin disaster.

And Gomez

 

[HuGort]

Hughes has access to free agent market this summer. Last year he has capped out. He usually is quite creative. Be interesting to see what he does.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Harris has already reached a level more valuable than the mystery box Panthers pick.

I'd do Dvorak + Panthers 1st + Struble for PLD

Save Harris for a future package

Agreed. And I don't see the Jets giving us the value Harris deserves as well. Harris is on a similar track to Sandin if you ask me. Look at what the Leafs got for Sandin

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

I am hoping Hughes trades some vets this off-season.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Hughes has access to free agent market this summer. Last year he has capped out. He usually is quite creative. Be interesting to see what he does.

Hughes is not going to spend his cap space on 28/29+ UFA's. Maybe he considers bringing back Monahan on a low AAV with performance factored in.

The other layer to this is ELC performance bonuses. We need to leave a little wiggle room for if Slaf reaches his targets and if we get Bedard, that's a fair amount of cap space we may not have if both Slaf and Bedard hit performance targets. Slaf alone has a potential of $3.5M of extra hits. Not likely he reaches it but you have to plan for if it does.

 

[Vachon23]

Hughes has access to free agent market this summer. Last year he has capped out. He usually is quite creative. Be interesting to see what he does.

Don’t expect him to sign some FA except maybe some depth player. We already have close to a full roaster next year