HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #84: Off-Season edition

[Slafkofield]

So if we don't trade for Dubois, you got to get Monahan to sign and not wait till UFA to consider other teams and then move Dvorak after you get Monahan to sign? What happens if you trade Dvorak on draft day and then Monahan don't sign?

Is that depth enough (if the Dvorak/Monahan flip works)? I don't think so and then you wonder, what's the plan for next year? Another top 10 pick or move up a bit and it's a 10-15 range pick?

Who's the NHL ready guy in our prospect pool to play center if we run into injuries again? We would need more depth and I pretty sure Gorton/Hughes/MSL would agree.

I’m expecting a top 10-15 pick next year regardless, I don’t think we’re gonna be a playoff team just yet. I’m just saying in a perfect world Monahan gets healthy, we sign him, and trade Dvorak either in a PLD package or another Center. I agree our center depth isn’t the greatest, but finding a 3C isn’t too difficult.

 

[Scriptor]

They have been awful since 17, thanks to a GM who had no brain.......................pretty sure you can see there is a huge difference now in 23...............and alot to be very happy and positive about.
Not sure anyone on this board thiks the habs are a contender....?

I don't

 

[RationalExpectations]

I’m expecting a top 10-15 pick next year regardless, I don’t think we’re gonna be a playoff team just yet. I’m just saying in a perfect world Monahan gets healthy, we sign him, and trade Dvorak either in a PLD package or another Center. I agree our center depth isn’t the greatest, but finding a 3C isn’t too difficult.

No room for Monahan, no real use in signing him for 20 games a season… Why not just keep Dvorak as 3C ?

 

[General Fanager]

Instead of going after PLD we should go after Askarov

Jordan Harris + Frorida pick (lotery protected) for Askarov ??
or
Logan Mailloux + 3rd rd for Askarov ?
or
Beck + Ylonen + 3rd rd for Askarov ?

I agree with you about Askarov but he wont be traded. I see them trading Saros and letting Askarov grow with them during their rebuild.... and if he was available those deals wont get it done.

 

[BaseballCoach]

No room for Monahan, no real use in signing him for 20 games a season… Why not just keep Dvorak as 3C ?

Regardless whether it's Monahan, Drouin or another short-term 3C who is signed, Dvorak going in a package for a better center makes sense.

 

[BLONG7]

I am not saying we can’t be positive I was mereley stating that a lineup - which was supposed to be great was composed of forwards who never set foot in the NHL yet and PLD as if he was already a Hab - cannot be seen as a sure thing.

There is a paradox in what you mention : most players and prospects we speak so highly of have been drafted by the brainless GM you mentioned…

Bergevin................and Timmins are two different guys.

 

[BLONG7]

Would you deal Guhle straight up for Dubois?

No.......No.....No.

 

[Jaynki]

Would you deal Guhle straight up for Dubois?

I am the one who suggested trading Guhle because of our depth at LD (Mainly Matheson and Hutson who will probably take 50 of the 60 minutes available on LD as soon as 2024/2025).

This being said, i would want someome who has a bigger offensive impact than Dubois.

I would want Dubois with the Habs but not at the expense of Guhle.

20 years old defenseman who can skate like Guhle and handle 25 minutes a night are very valuable. I would aim for a true offensive star, an RFA like Tkachuk last year. (Example Zegras this year, if he would become available, which i strongly doubt.)

 

[Habs Halifax]

Totally agree. If we end up getting Dubois having the option of moving one of them to the wing is great. Dach has already proved that he fits in great with Suzuki and Caufield.
That's a sick line. Then add in Dubois playing between Slaf and Anderson.

It's clear as day with me so yeah, we will engage on what it takes to get Dubois either with trade or we wait till UFA. If we can trade for him from a position of strength with assets we offer, we should. Especially if we can get him locked in on a 8 year term close to Suzuki now.

If we don't get Bedard or Fantilli, Smith lines up well on that 3rd line and rolling 3 lines at 5/5 like that is a good thing.

This would be 3 very good lines that can compete with the best teams. Don't think about who they are today, thing about who they are in 3+ years.

Caufield / Suzuki / Dach
Slaf / Dubois / Anderson
Farrell / Smith / Roy

 

[ML16]

Regardless whether it's Monahan, Drouin or another short-term 3C who is signed, Dvorak going in a package for a better center makes sense.

If there's a team willing to take Dvorak's contract without retention this summer, the Habs should seriously consider pulling the trigger if the return is decent enough when compared with Dvorak's optimal worth at TDL 2025. Being an asset in a Dubois deal or fetching at least 2nd round pick on his own, for instance.

If Dvorak's traded, I wouldn't exclude signing Monahan on a bonus-structured contract; amongst the UFAs the Habs can plausibly sign this summer, he remains one of the best mentor available for a young core.

This being said, whereas there's no real urgency to trade Dvorak (unless his upcoming no-trade-list is a considered a serious issue), I think it would be very opportune to get rid of redundent wingers - Hoffman and Armia - ASAP to make room on the NHL roster for young wingers to start integrating the core next year.

 

[RationalExpectations]

Maybe I am overly optimistic but I think Hoffman could yield a positive return at 50% for a contender searching for secondary scoring options or for a team like CHI gambling on him to flip him at TDL (for all his flaws he has an ok +/- and would likely be a 20 goal scorer still in a better team ( on pace for 16 for 82 games))

 

[Habs Icing]

No.......No.....No.

The third time is a charm.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

Would you deal Guhle straight up for Dubois?

Tell me you’re not serious with this question?

 

[HomaridII]

Tell me you’re not serious with this question?

Seriously did we learn absolutely NOTHING from the Drouin disaster.

 

[Habs Halifax]

No room for Monahan, no real use in signing him for 20 games a season… Why not just keep Dvorak as 3C ?

It depends on what Gorton/Hughes are trying to do. If they want to compete but still think they will miss the playoffs, why not keep both Dvorak and Monahan? Not saying I love the idea but we do have the cap room to do this

Caufield / Suzuki / Anderson
Slaf / Dubois / Dach
Gurianov / Monahan / Hoffman
Armia / Dvorak / Gallagher
* Pitlick, Evans, Pezzetta

All of Farrell, Roy, Heineman start in Laval

 

[1909]

It depends on what Gorton/Hughes are trying to do. If they want to compete but still think they will miss the playoffs, why not keep both Dvorak and Monahan? Not saying I love the idea but we do have the cap room to do this

Caufield / Suzuki / Anderson
Slaf / Dubois / Dach
Gurianov / Monahan / Hoffman
Armia / Dvorak / Gallagher
* Pitlick, Evans, Pezzetta

All of Farrell, Roy, Heineman start in Laval

Monahan won't be around for sure. And Dvorak should be part of the package traded for Dubois. He is too expensive to keep. And Gallagher will play top 9 or won't at all with the Habs. Like Dvorak, too expensive to play of a 4th line with 10 minutes of ice per game. Evans or Belzile are good enough to play on the 4th line. Armia should also be dealt for anything they can get in the Summer. Hoffman is also on the trading block. I don't see Slaf playing on a 2nd line on a regular basis next season. He has LOTS to learn still.

And where is RHP, one of the hardest workers on this team ? And wh can score too ?

 

[Habs Halifax]

Monahan won't be around for sure. And Dvorak should be part of the package traded for Dubois. He is too expensive to keep. And Gallagher will play top 9 or won't at all with the Habs. Like Dvorak, too expensive to play of a 4th line with 10 minutes of ice per game. Evans or Belzile are good enough to play on the 4th line. Armia should also be dealt for anything they can get in the Summer.

And where is RHP, one of the hardest workers on this team ? And wh can score too ?

I'm very curious to see how this plays out. I'm flexible cause I can see many different types of line-ups for next season.

What should happen and what actually does happen may surprise us all.

 

[BozoTheClown]

isn’t there a thread specifically for the Dubois talks?

 

[1909]

I'm very curious to see how this plays out. I'm flexible cause I can see many different types of line-ups for next season.

What should happen and what actually does happen may surprise us all.

Ideally with all deadwood out (Drouin, Armia, Hoffman and Dvorak), and Dubois, in.

Caufield-Suzuki-Dach
RHP-Dubois-Anderson
Slaf-Gaudreau (ufa)-Gurianov
Pezz-Evans-Belzile-Ylonen (Pitlick ???)

 

[Habs Halifax]

Ideally with all deadwood out (Drouin, Armia, Hoffman and Dvorak), and Dubois, in.

Caufield-Suzuki-Dach
RHP-Dubois-Anderson
Slaf-Gaudreau (ufa)-Gurianov
Pezz-Evans-Belzile-Ylonen (Pitlick ???)

I forgot about RHP in my previous line-up

I think we will try to unload Hoffman, and Eddy. Dvorak and Armia are not easy to move. Possible but not counting on it. I don't expect Drouin back.

I think think there is a fair chance Monahan is back.

Will Dvorak go in the Dubois package? Not sure. I do think the Habs try to have depth at center next year. It was an issue this past season.

Curious to see if Farrell, Roy, Heineman push for roster spots. Guys like Armia and Hoffman do block them.

 

[Deebs]

Would you deal Guhle straight up for Dubois?

I personally wouldn't because I'm not super high on Dubois. He's a very good player, no question, but I think he's a solid 60-70 point player that's physical however I believe his upside is just about reached. Those types are excellent complimentary pieces to any franchise.

Guhle will be a 20+ minute, do it all defensemen for the next 10-15 years. Those guys are great finds and should be kept. He'll never be a huge point getter but he does everything so extremely well he'd be tough to give up on.... For me anyways.

Everyone can be traded it just has to make sense for the club moving forward

 

[sampollock]

You probably have the most PLD posts in this thread.

If PLD talk becomes done, what will you do? I think we might need new Fig monikers.

haha nope I comment after 5-6 on this thread are made then I remind that he is not a hab

I hope Kent gets him, but may posts talk like it is a done deal, pen to paper

 

[Habs Icing]

Tell me you’re not serious with this question?

No. With that question, he's stompin' Paul Peller. He'll be Sirius with some other question.

 

[Habs Icing]

isn’t there a thread specifically for the Dubois talks?

What a silly question. You know the film Everything Everywhere All At Once? Well, the original title was Dubois is Everything Everywhere All At Once. The screenwriter was a Habs fan. The producer, a Jets fan, had him change the title.

Dubois is too big of a star to be contained in just one thread.

 

[durojean]

What's your center depth plan if you trade Dvorak?

I don't know, but I feel like the Habs actually got better when he was removed of the line up this year.