HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #84: Off-Season edition

[MD thaivuN]

I don't understand how a GM can think it's a good idea to acquire an injury-prone player

especially when you're not even in a playoff spot lol

 

[SlyIslands]

Caufield-Suzy-Roy
RHP-Dubois-Andy
Farell-Dach-Slaf
Heineman-Evans-Armia/Pezz/Belzile
Gally Hoffman

Not much space in that top 9 for Mesar, Kidney, Heineman, Tuch etc...

We really dont need another 11 picks this year.. Please offer many of em for Askarov.

Roy, Heineman, Kidney will all be in the AHL next season. I'm not even sure Pezzetta gets a QO. Dubois might not be traded here. You forgot Gurianov and Dvorak.

 

[Hannibal]

I don't understand how a GM can think it's a good idea to acquire an injury-prone player

Guhle is starting slowly to turn like Chichrun… Either in Junior or NHL, can’t play a full season. Im concerned.

 

[salbutera]

No team is going to have 3.5 mill in dead cap space for 8 years.

I think if the Flames get rid if Sutter he might do better.

However, even if he is better with a different coach, there's too much talk of him being somewhat lazy and uninspired to play when he isn't paid anymore

It was owner who brought Sutter back as head coach & gave him the extension not the GM - per Gord Miller

 

[Jaynki]

Guhle is starting slowly to turn like Chichrun… Either in Junior or NHL, can’t play a full season. Im concerned.

I agree. I am concerned by his injury.

I am very, very high on Guhle talent. I think he is a top pairing defenseman.

But with what Matheson is giving us, with the absolute emergence of Hutson (big wow) and Engstrom (big wow too). And we already have Xhekaj and Harris.

I would honestly use Guhle as a trade bait to acquire star offensive talent.

 

[ReHabs]

I agree. I am concerned by his injury.

I am very, very high on Guhle talent. I think he is a top pairing defenseman.

But with what Matheson is giving us, with the absolute emergence of Hutson (big wow) and Engstrom (big wow too). And we already have Xhekaj and Harris.

I would honestly use Guhle as a trade bait to acquire star offensive talent.

Guhle is at worst a top4 NHL Dman, the other two haven’t played a single NHL game.

Pump the breaks a little eh

 

[DAChampion]

Guhle is at worst a top4 NHL Dman,

Unless he keeps getting injured :-(

 

[ReHabs]

Unless he keeps getting injured :-(

It would help if the Habs didn’t keep playing him injured.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Unless he keeps getting injured :-(

He will be fine, they’re probably be overly cautious with injuries right now because why not

In a competitive season he probably misses very little time with these injuries

 

[Beendair Donedat]

He will be fine, they’re probably be overly cautious with injuries right now because why not

In a competitive season he probably misses very little time with these injuries

He was playing with knee braces on both legs, which doesn’t sound like an over abundance of caution to me.

 

[Deebs]

I agree. I am concerned by his injury.

I am very, very high on Guhle talent. I think he is a top pairing defenseman.

But with what Matheson is giving us, with the absolute emergence of Hutson (big wow) and Engstrom (big wow too). And we already have Xhekaj and Harris.

I would honestly use Guhle as a trade bait to acquire star offensive talent.

Use Guhle as trade bait.....

Save me little baby Jesus from this madness

 

[Jaynki]

Guhle is at worst a top4 NHL Dman, the other two haven’t played a single NHL game.

Pump the breaks a little eh

Tough to pump the brakes with what Hutson is doing honestly. We also traded Romanov on the basis that we had Guhle, Xhekaj and Harris who were ready and neither of them had significant NHL experience. And like for Romanov, i would trade Guhle only for the right assets.

Also, like i said, i am very high on Guhle, i think he is already a top pair D. But he has been consistently injured for two seasons now and that is what worries me.

I don't think we should refrain from trading him if the right deal comes along.

If a young RFA like Tkachuk last year would become available, i would absolutely use Guhle as a trade bait to acquire a big offensive talent. And i think Guhle would be a very strong argument in trade talks.

 

[TomKosto]

Tough to pump the brakes with what Hutson is doing honestly. We also traded Romanov on the basis that we had Guhle, Xhekaj and Harris who were ready and neither of them had significant NHL experience. And like for Romanov, i would trade Guhle only for the right assets.

Also, like i said, i am very high on Guhle, i think he is already a top pair D. But he has been consistently injured for two seasons now and that is what worries me.

I don't think we should refrain from trading him if the right deal comes along.

If a young RFA like Tkachuk last year would become available, i would absolutely use Guhle as a trade bait to acquire a big offensive talent. And i think Guhle would be a very strong argument in trade talks.

It's pretty rare to see young rstar like Tkachuk getting trade, but yea I would do it too. The problem is if we are willing to trade our best young dmen because we are scared of his injuries, other teams would probably be scared of it too.

 

[Jaynki]

It's pretty rare to see young rstar like Tkachuk getting trade, but yea I would do it too. The problem is if we are willing to trade our best young dmen because we are scared of his injuries, other teams would probably be scared of it too.

True. Its a mix of his injury concern but mainly what we also have on the left side in our prospects pool.

 

[Habs Icing]

Tough to pump the brakes with what Hutson is doing honestly. We also traded Romanov on the basis that we had Guhle, Xhekaj and Harris who were ready and neither of them had significant NHL experience. And like for Romanov, i would trade Guhle only for the right assets.

Also, like i said, i am very high on Guhle, i think he is already a top pair D. But he has been consistently injured for two seasons now and that is what worries me.

I don't think we should refrain from trading him if the right deal comes along.

If a young RFA like Tkachuk last year would become available, i would absolutely use Guhle as a trade bait to acquire a big offensive talent. And i think Guhle would be a very strong argument in trade talks.

Hutson has a lot of work to do on his defensive play, being beaten on the outside and his back skating. You're jumping over tall assumptions. Guhle has proven he is an NHLer. Hutson hasn't even proven he can handle the AHL yet.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

Roy, Heineman, Kidney will all be in the AHL next season. I'm not even sure Pezzetta gets a QO. Dubois might not be traded here. You forgot Gurianov and Dvorak.

Pezz is definitely getting a Q.O. No reason whatsoever to make him a UFA. We hold his rights for another 2 years.

 

[Jaynki]

Hutson has a lot of work to do on his defensive play, being beaten on the outside and his back skating.

You are not looking at the right things.

He is in a class of his own with the puck on his sticks, in all area of the ice. Lane Hutson has massive superstar potential, despite his size and gap issues, and he would still have this absolutely high upside even if he did not improves anything in the defensive side.

That would be like giving importance to Ovechkin lack of effort in the defensive side of the game.

 

[TomKosto]

You are not looking at the right things.

He is in a class of his own with the puck on his sticks, in all area of the ice. Lane Hutson has massive superstar potential, despite his size and gap issues, and he would still have this absolutely high upside even if he did not improves anything in the defensive side.

That would be like giving importance to Ovechkin lack of effort in the defensive side of the game.

Hutson has massive superstar potential, but he could bust as well (not saying he would). There's clearly flaws in his game that will need to be corrected to be a NHL defenseman. It may be premature to slot him as a 1D and trade guys like Guhle.

 

[ML16]

I think we be better of with KK sure he is over paid right now but he doesn’t have that big of a step to earn that contract + he could actually become a bargain over the 7 years but worst case 3rd line center with size, ok defensively and some offensive ability he is over paid by around 1.5M$, best case he will be under paid by 3m$… but MTL didn’t have any choice KK wasn’t signing a extension here, KK wanted out and he forced us way out, the question is more would we be better of without Dvorak keeping the picks.

Under the assumption that KK was on his way out no matter what, the Habs would definitely have been better off with 4.45M cap space + #29 pick (2022) + 2024 2nd rather than dilapidate these assets on Dvorak.

They could then have either draft another late 1st last year (Firkus? Luneau?) or packaged the #26 or #29 pick to climb up the ladder to draft Ostlund, Gaucher or Kulich.

And with Kotkaniemi out of the race for top-6 duties, the Habs could have been in a position to convince Danault to stay since a guaranteed top-6 role was more important to him than his AAV - something the Kings understood quite well.

 

[ML16]

What's your center depth plan if you trade Dvorak?

Dvorak is easily expendable / replaceable; any stop-gap C that can fill a jersey until Beck graduates would do.

Hopefully a western team will be willing to take his contract without retention for a 2nd round pick before July 1st.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Dvorak is easily expendable / replaceable; any stop-gap C that can fill a jersey until Beck graduates would do.

Hopefully a western team will be willing to take his contract without retention for a 2nd round pick before July 1st.

I don't agree he's easily replaceable with any stop gap type at 3C. I am open to trading him but expecting it to happen ASAP is not likely.

Other contenders could use him but the main issue is there is still a flat cap growth next season.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Suzuki
Dach
Monahan (if ever he can stay healthy)
Evans

So if we don't trade for Dubois, you got to get Monahan to sign and not wait till UFA to consider other teams and then move Dvorak after you get Monahan to sign? What happens if you trade Dvorak on draft day and then Monahan don't sign?

Is that depth enough (if the Dvorak/Monahan flip works)? I don't think so and then you wonder, what's the plan for next year? Another top 10 pick or move up a bit and it's a 10-15 range pick?

Who's the NHL ready guy in our prospect pool to play center if we run into injuries again? We would need more depth and I pretty sure Gorton/Hughes/MSL would agree.

 

[ML16]

Barron I would trade. Basically any big guy we have who can skate stays!

Since the All-Stars break, Barron’s PPG is 0.63, good for 16th overall amongst RHDs in the NHL.

He’s a keeper!

 

[Jaynki]

Hutson has massive superstar potential, but he could bust as well (not saying he would). There's clearly flaws in his game that will need to be corrected to be a NHL defenseman. It may be premature to slot him as a 1D and trade guys like Guhle.

Obviously,

But what Hutson is doing right now is uncharted, never seen, top 0.1%. He has more offensive production by himself than Fox and Makar D+1 combined. But it is much more than that.

He won't defend McDavid like Makar did. (The remarkable backcheck in the PO last year.) But the defensive concern are so overblown. He is far from a mess in his zone. With the puck on his sticks in the dzone, he almost always beat the forechecker and get the puck out of his zone cleanly, in situation where you would expect the D to pass it through the glass. He is a guy we will want for 25 min ++ on the ice, not only because of his insane offensive potential, but good transition player like Dach will be even better with Hutson feeding them the puck to start the rush from the dzone.

We will easily live with the fact that sometimes he is getting beaten by the outside or that he may lose many board battles because the rest is absolutely, absolutely elite.

I strongly doubt a player of Hutson talent will bust, although it is still possible. I also think he has that "it" factor when watching him in interviews. But that is purely subjective.

Also, when i talk of trading Guhle, its all about getting an offensive star for him and profiting of his (possible) immense trade value. We dont even know if an offensive player worth Guhle will be available.

 

[Whitesnake]

Why can't you go to Phoenix and instead of being a laughing stock for picking up contracts that never play, you offer them an Armia for a 7th rounder. Yep, they pick another big contract, but a guy that could actually play too.