HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #84: Off-Season edition

[Miller Time]

Happy if he gets a chance elsewhere.

I don't hate PEZZETTA. I just think that,. when the time comes that the Habs are a contender, we can do better.

Every recent cup winner has had depth forwards no better than Pezzetta on their playoff roster.

We don't need to "do better" for a league minimum 14th/15th fwd.

I don't think he's got it in him to be a regular top 12 fwd, but unless another team gives him a shot at that, I suspect we'll keep him around for a while.

 

[nhlfan9191]

The Tavares treatment? He signed for 11M, FFS!

The imagined discount is based on rumours that SJ offered him 13M?

Market value, in its purest sense isn't based on ONE crazy number from a desperate GM, IMO. It's based on what many teams would be willing to fork out to get the player.

It's not because Edmonton was obliged to pay Penner the way they did to attract a RFA there with a hostile offer (after Vanek, I believe, refused) that Penner's market vale was what Edmonton offered?

I expect Dubois not to try to milk the Habs for every last penny, but, as I showed, contract structure can make the 8M AAV that Dubois would be offered, in the end, worth around 8.75M per year.


I surely hope you are right, but I'm suggesting WIN wouldn't be balking at the offer I proposed is all.

Dubois isn’t worth $8.75 million. What has he done to warrant that kind of a contract? He has 6 points in his last 20 games during a stetch Winnipeg is battling for a playoff spot. Was non existent in a playoff series against us. I don’t understand why people are so eager to get married to this guy long term. This organization needs real stars and he isn’t that so there’s no rush to be throwing away a ton of futures at someone like that, especially given where we are in the rebuild.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Dubois isn’t worth $8.75 million. What has he done to warrant that kind of a contract? He has 6 points in his last 20 games during a stetch Winnipeg is battling for a playoff spot. Was non existent in a playoff series against us. I don’t understand why people are so eager to get married to this guy long term. This organization needs real stars and he isn’t that so there’s no rush to be throwing away a ton of futures at someone like that, especially given where we are in the rebuild.

If he isn't any better in this years playoffs I would only be interested if he came cheap (contract and trade wise).

 

[Miller Time]

There biggest issue has been D and they never really address it…

Muzzin, Brodie, Barrie, Giordano, Ceci, Bogosian, Lyubushkin, Schenn, Timmins, McCabe...

Not sure it's fair to say they haven't tried to address it the past few years.

I love watching the Leafs lose in the first round, but I don't think it's fair to say they haven't aggressively tried to improve their D.

 

[Scriptor]

Every recent cup winner has had depth forwards no better than Pezzetta on their playoff roster.

We don't need to "do better" for a league minimum 14th/15th fwd.

I don't think he's got it in him to be a regular top 12 fwd, but unless another team gives him a shot at that, I suspect we'll keep him around for a while.

What kind of attitude is that? We don't 'NEED TO' do better?

That's the way to be the best you can be -- JUST AWESOME!

My point is we could do better relatively easily at the same price with a cheap veteran on a one-year contract once we are contenders, so why not?

Would you take a Perry for the 4th line over Pezzetta? I'm pretty sure I would.

I'm talking about Pezzetta on the 4th line, not as a bench warmer in the stands as a 13th, 14th or 15th forward.

Pezzetta is ideal not to play and be on your roster at a league minimum salary because he'll be happy to earn the coin and be part of the team, even if from afar.

 

[Scriptor]

Dubois isn’t worth $8.75 million. What has he done to warrant that kind of a contract? He has 6 points in his last 20 games during a stetch Winnipeg is battling for a playoff spot. Was non existent in a playoff series against us. I don’t understand why people are so eager to get married to this guy long term. This organization needs real stars and he isn’t that so there’s no rush to be throwing away a ton of futures at someone like that, especially given where we are in the rebuild.

Um-m-m-m...

I did not say to sign Dubois to an 8.75M Cap hit. I said that the Cap hit can be 8M and the contract structured so that, bye the end of the contract, he can have earned 8.75M per season over eight years, provided he takes advantage of the contract structure to properly invest the 4M extra (12M instead of 8M in a front-loaded contract) a year paid extra in the first four years of the contract.

So, in terms of attracting the player to sign a long term deal at a more reasonable Cap hit, the possibility of doing that and reducing the tax impact of the contract with a bonus-laden structure that also protects the player against a lockout is the point I am trying to make.

Is that clearer? (I'm sure it doesn't change the fact you don't want Dubois, though)

You see Dubois as adding a final piece to the puzzle, but that's not the case. He would be a quality, accompanying piece of the puzzle. In a few years, we could sign a UFA as the missing piece for our roster...

 

[Miller Time]

What kind of attitude is that? We don't 'NEED TO' do better?

That's the way to be the best you can be -- JUST AWESOME!

My point is we could do better relatively easily at the same price with a cheap veteran on a one-year contract once we are contenders, so why not?

Would you take a Perry for the 4th line over Pezzetta? I'm pretty sure I would.

I'm talking about Pezzetta on the 4th line, not as a bench warmer in the stands as a 13th, 14th or 15th forward.

Pezzetta is ideal not to play and be on your roster at a league minimum salary because he'll be happy to earn the coin and be part of the team, even if from afar.

You don't seem to understand how rosters in the NHL work.

 

[Scriptor]

You don't seem to understand how rosters in the NHL work.

We don't understand it the same way, maybe, but that doesn't mean I don't understand how rosters work in the NHL. Could be the other way around.

 

[Miller Time]

We don't understand it the same way, maybe, but that doesn't mean I don't understand how rosters work in the NHL. Could be the other way around.

Some things are relative, some aren't.

Bad takes based on poor understanding are what they are.

That you brought up Perry highlights how bad the take is.

Try hockeydb, it's a good place to start.

 

[Scriptor]

Some things are relative, some aren't.

Bad takes based on poor understanding are what they are.

That you brought up Perry highlights how bad the take is.

Try hockeydb, it's a good place to start.

Explain yourself, because, on the screen, it's all just in your head right now...

 

[Slafkofield]

Hope we trade Dvorak this summer, sucks that he has a 8 team no trade clause that kicks in this summer, so pretty much excludes him from a potential PLD trade. He’ll probably have all the Canadian teams on his list.

 

[26Mats]

Hope we trade Dvorak this summer, sucks that he has a 8 team no trade clause that kicks in this summer, so pretty much excludes him from a potential PLD trade. He’ll probably have all the Canadian teams on his list.

If we don't want him, hard to see another team wanting him.

He's the type of player that gets thrown into a trade to balance the cap hits.

 

[RationalExpectations]

If we don't want him, hard to see another team wanting him.

He's the type of player that gets thrown into a trade to balance the cap hits.

Granlund got a 2nd while being older, more expensive, worse on faceoffs and defensively…

 

[26Mats]

Granlund got a 2nd while being older, more expensive, worse on faceoffs and defensively…

Granlund had 36 points in 58 games this year, and 64 points last year.

No comparison.

 

[RationalExpectations]

Granlund had 36 points in 58 games this year, and 64 points last year.

No comparison.

On a much better NSH team and while still posting -16 this year. Both are players you d expect so score somewhere between 0.5-0.6 PPG, Granlund with better offensive numbers because playing higher in the lineup, Dvorak better defense. I don t think Dvorak is considered a cap dump.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Hope we trade Dvorak this summer, sucks that he has a 8 team no trade clause that kicks in this summer, so pretty much excludes him from a potential PLD trade. He’ll probably have all the Canadian teams on his list.

That's July 1st.

Most likely he can get dealt before the new season starts.

 

[calder candidate]

Muzzin, Brodie, Barrie, Giordano, Ceci, Bogosian, Lyubushkin, Schenn, Timmins, McCabe...

Not sure it's fair to say they haven't tried to address it the past few years.

I love watching the Leafs lose in the first round, but I don't think it's fair to say they haven't aggressively tried to improve their D.

Almost half of these guys were 3rd pairing and lot of them will be one and done. the did tried a lot of stuff hoping it would stick but they never had a solid reliable top 4 or 4D that can defend and withstand the playoff physical play, because every time they add some they are losing or missing someone else. when you see how agressif and what they gave up for Foligno and ROR which weren’t the biggest issues you have to question how aggressive they were about finding D.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Hope we trade Dvorak this summer, sucks that he has a 8 team no trade clause that kicks in this summer, so pretty much excludes him from a potential PLD trade. He’ll probably have all the Canadian teams on his list.

What's your center depth plan if you trade Dvorak?

 

[Miller Time]

Almost half of these guys were 3rd pairing and lot of them will be one and done. the did tried a lot of stuff hoping it would stick but they never had a solid reliable top 4 or 4D that can defend and withstand the playoff physical play, because every time they add some they are losing or missing someone else. when you see how agressif and what they gave up for Foligno and ROR which weren’t the biggest issues you have to question how aggressive they were about finding D.

The first 4 absolutely were top 4D caliber at time of acquisition... Probably another 2-3 as well.

 

[sampollock]

or this, Marc-Olivier Beaudoin questioned Canadiens fans to find out which players could interest them in exchange for this choice, and 4 names often come up


The first is Pierre-Luc Dubois . No surprises, the fans really seem to want him in Montreal and he doesn't seem to be closed to the idea. He could be acquired as soon as this summer with an offer that includes the Panthers' first-round pick.

Then there are two young goaltenders, an option Kent Hughes should consider as the position is the weakest of the Canadiens right now. The first name is Carter Hart , whose potential is huge despite disappointing progress in Philadelphia. The second is Yaroslav Askarov , a 20-year-old goaltender with great potential who doesn't really have a place in Nashville.

Finally, there's Alexis Lafrenière, but the Rangers are unlikely to trade him for someone who can't help them right now.

In sum, the first three players mentioned are interesting options and the exchange could be worth it. In the case of Lafrenière, it's a little less likely, but it would still be interesting for the CH.

 

[WeThreeKings]

or this, Marc-Olivier Beaudoin questioned Canadiens fans to find out which players could interest them in exchange for this choice, and 4 names often come up


The first is Pierre-Luc Dubois . No surprises, the fans really seem to want him in Montreal and he doesn't seem to be closed to the idea. He could be acquired as soon as this summer with an offer that includes the Panthers' first-round pick.

Then there are two young goaltenders, an option Kent Hughes should consider as the position is the weakest of the Canadiens right now. The first name is Carter Hart , whose potential is huge despite disappointing progress in Philadelphia. The second is Yaroslav Askarov , a 20-year-old goaltender with great potential who doesn't really have a place in Nashville.

Finally, there's Alexis Lafrenière, but the Rangers are unlikely to trade him for someone who can't help them right now.

In sum, the first three players mentioned are interesting options and the exchange could be worth it. In the case of Lafrenière, it's a little less likely, but it would still be interesting for the CH.

Dubois and Askarov are the only two worth it.

Sharter Fart sucks and Laffy looks like he is what he is.

 

[Vachon23]

NSH won’t trade Askarov

 

[Pompeius Magnus]

Askarov worries me a bit style wise, he's very much the throw the kitchen sink type a la MAF and not a lot of these end up making it anymore. That said, he plays the puck really well so he could help our overall defense a whole bunch like Price did . We have the young pieces to make pretty much any trade happen if we really want to but I doubt Nashville is looking to trade him, ultimately.

 

[Tyson]

How can Hughes bring on another Dach type of player if he has so many useless vets that can't be moved? You have to subtract before you can add...

 

[Habs Halifax]

Muzzin, Brodie, Barrie, Giordano, Ceci, Bogosian, Lyubushkin, Schenn, Timmins, McCabe...

Not sure it's fair to say they haven't tried to address it the past few years.

I love watching the Leafs lose in the first round, but I don't think it's fair to say they haven't aggressively tried to improve their D.

Habs added Chiarot, Edmundson, Savard, and Petry over the years. Leafs tried but they went after the wrong ones in many cases.

Muzzin and Brodie and then Giordano were the good adds but now Muzzin is toast and Giordano's gas is running out.

Dubas missed on the Kadri trade. That was a darn good value contract and he should have traded it for futures they could go after quality D that would be turning the needle on their roster today. They might have not been forced to add a 1st to unload Marleau as well.

Dubas's error is thinking they were ready to compete too early. His strategy was clearly top 6 and Rielly on D. Thought he could overcome depth issues and/or though his prospect pool was strong. Sens maybe making the same mistake but earlier. If Chychrun walks to UFA, imagine.

Babcock quote and it was a direct shot at Dubas: "We will find out very soon if our depth is as good as we say it is"