HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #84: Off-Season edition

[Colezuki]

Y'all still debating about Dubois?

It's been 2months of the same arguments just twisted in a different way.

How about this instead;

What should we do about the Goaltending problem? What should we do about Dvorak , keep him as 3rd C or trade him.

think we need to trade him for Dubois

 

[Habs Halifax]

Y'all still debating about Dubois?

It's been 2months of the same arguments just twisted in a different way.

How about this instead;

What should we do about the Goaltending problem? What should we do about Dvorak , keep him as 3rd C or trade him.

Dvorak is not a problem. He's a good center to have during transition years and allows time for Beck and Kidney to develop. Did you not see our center depth problems this year with injuries?

Our Goalie search is something we will look into as time moves forward. Its not a pressing need cause we are still in rebuild/transition for a few years. I'm pretty sure we will review potential trades and also draft more goalies.

Dubois is a unique circumstance. This story is not going away. Don't like the conversations? Sure but others can and will talk about it. He's less than a year older than Suzuki and it's a piece we can add for his prime. Not wanting to engage is stupid. He's just as good as Suzuki and they would be a great 1/2 punch up the middle. Even if we are able to win a lottery spot (Bedard or Fantilli).

 

[Habs Halifax]

Thing is, I don't know that Dubois is that great, though.

He's putting up respectable numbers in a contract year, but what I've seen from him up until now has been... Not completely convincing. I'd say he's far from a sure thing.

Brisson is also his agent, so if you're expecting a hometown discount, you have another thing coming.

Winnipeg is going to try and nail us on the trade and Brisson will likely try and nail us on the contract.

1st plus Harris Plus Dvorak is the most I'd do for a trade. 7-8M is the most I'd probably do for the contract given his numbers up till now.

If you like Suzuki, you should like Dubois. He's similar to Horvat and Larkin types. Are you saying it's not worth trading for him cause he is not a 100 pts center and he's a 80 (+/-) range type? Are you looking at other areas Dubois is strong at other than points? Like his ability to really be a physical force in the offensive end in the playoffs?

Jets don't have leverage. They can swing their hammer at the nail as much as they want. It's not going to cost more than Trouba or Horvat trades.

Brisson is his agent yes but Gorton/Hughes are our management. If Dubois really does want to play for the Habs, we are not going to give into a $9M+ contract demand and the extension comes as part of the trade and that is likely to be around what Hintz, Larkin, Horvat got. 8x $8.5M (+/-).

$7M-$8M is not probable. I hope that is possible and Gorton/Hughes use their leverage well in terms of telling Brisson/Dubois what the allocated cap space is but don't think that will work out well. Lowest I can see it going is $8M

 

[Expos94]

oof moving him could hurt. That's another young D that might come back to haunt us.
I wonder if they're insisting on Mailloux or Hutson.
Harris doesn't move the needle for them.
If it's like Mailloux and Fla's pick, there better be a contract attached.

Not gonna happen don't worry... Mailloux is part of the plan they ll get Dubois after next season for free

 

[BergevinBurner]

With the news about Fanatics taking over making the league's official jerseys for the next 10 years, should I jump the gun and get a Habs PLD jersey before it's too late?

 

[Habs Halifax]

Not gonna happen don't worry... Mailloux is part of the plan they ll get Dubois after next season for free

I'm curious, will you turn on Gorton/Hughes if they trade Panthers 1st, Beck, and Eddy for Dubois this coming draft?

Dubois for free in 24/25 is not really free if the cost to sign is $2M more than what it might be this summer. Cap space is important. Once the agents know what the real cap is for 24/25, you might get surprised on growing AAV contracts. Things change so personally, I do see Gorton/Hughes trading for Dubois on draft day.

 

[Colezuki]

I'm curious, will you turn on Gorton/Hughes if they trade Panthers 1st, Beck, and Eddy for Dubois this coming draft?

Dubois for free in 24/25 is not really free if the cost to sign is $2M more than what it might be this summer. Cap space is important. Once the agents know what the real cap is for 24/25, you might get surprised on growing AAV contracts. Things change so personally, I do see Gorton/Hughes trading for Dubois on draft day.

This is why I want to trade and sign for him now, getting him for 8 years and having him , Suzuki, caufield lined up for the next half decade is literally probably the best top 3 forwards we've had in decades

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

Not gonna happen don't worry... Mailloux is part of the plan they ll get Dubois after next season for free

i think theres more chances Habs trade for Dubois then get him through ufa

 

[Rapala]

Info-Social 811 (help line)

Putting this out there in case we don't get Dubois.

 

[yianik]

PLD is turning 25 in June, he will be in prime years for the next 5-8 years. I bloody well hope to God we will be fighting for the Cup in that time frame.

This year closes out year 2 of the rebuild.

It is impossible to add pieces exactly as you wish, you have to go with the flow and answer when opportunity knocks.

PLD is not a star, but he is a very good player that will make the team better for years to come. We should get him at a bit of a discount anyway, if the Habs are the team he wants to play on. Adding him makes us stronger at the top6C position and that is a big deal Sure maybe a C has to play on the wing, or maybe we pull the trigger on a trade one day for a big missing piece with our abundance of centers.

To summarize;
-he fills a position of need at the top 6C spot, a core position
-he is a good solid player-
-he fits what I understand the team identity is that HUGO wants, a big, fast, skilled team
- may get him at a discount

Now if the Jets bottom line is too steep, then no. If PLD wants a ridiculous amount to extend, then no. But maybe we can be the Rangers for once and take advantage of a player seeing us as a destination.

 

[Hannibal]

It’s funny to see guys here who don’t want us to get a 25 years old center/winger, big, fast and skills that actually made it clear that wish to play here.

Probably the same poster that still wait for us to draft that kind of player since 20 years or are jealous of Rangers because everystar wants to play there.

Now it’s our chance and some here are like : « Nah, pass. We will draft someone better in the secound round or Mesar or Farrell will be better» lmao

 

[Gillings]

I don't think they give Qualifying Offers to Leskinen or Stephens making them UFAs.

Dichow they'll give an ELC too. Vrbetic won't get one. He'll be UFA.

Sund won't be signed. Ditto Gorniak.

I expect all other RFAs to come back, including Gurianov, although I expect him to get less money. He's UFA in 2024. One year, $2m. Montreal trades him at 2024 TD 50% retained. Due to his size & speed, he should garner interest.

All UFAs will walk except for Belzile. Think they'll re-sign Laval's captain unless he wishes to move on.

Tuch, Hutson & Dobes should all be in NCAA next year. There is an off-chance we sign Tuch, but due to injuries I do think he needs another year. Ditto Smilanic.

Jared Davidson will go the Simoneau/RHP path & play in Laval next year on an AHLC.


AHL - 12 F, 7D & 2 G (20 NHL contracts)

Pitlick - AHL
Belzile - AHL
Mesar - AHL
Kidney - AHL
Roy - AHL
Condotta - AHL
Mysak - AHL
Teasdale - AHL
A. Richard - AHL
Simoneau - AHL
Heineman - AHL
Davidson - AHLC

Mailloux - AHL
Beaudin - AHL
Norlinder - AHL
Trudeau - AHL
Fairbrother - AHL
Allard - AHL
Struble - AHL

Primeau - AHL
Dichow - AHL


NHL - 15F, 9D, 3G - 27 contracts

Caufield - Suzuki - Gurianov
Farrell - Dach - Anderson
Slafkovsky - Dvorak - Gallagher
RHP - Evans - Armia
Pezzetta, Hoffman, Ylonen

Matheson - Savard
Guhle - Barron
Edmundson - Xhekaj
Harris - Kovacevic
Wideman

Allen
Montembeault
Price: LTIR

That puts us at 47 contracts.

At minimum, we need to buyout Hoffman, trade Edmundson, & maybe Pezzetta too. Wideman will be 8th D for one more year. He won't be re-signed.

Why are you trading Pezzetta? I see more growth from him and he’s a perfect 4th liner with Evans.

 

[DiglettDangles]

This PLD blackhole is so infinitely tiring.
The only people who have ALL the info to judge if it's worth trading and/or signing PLD in the next 17 months are HuGo, Chevy, Brisson and PLD.

If we trade for PLD this summer, comment on the trade assets when we know them.
If we don't, we'll never know the WPG ask so no one gives a flying duck about what your personal "max threshold" would've been and if HuGo agreed.

If we sign PLD, either RFA after trade or UFA, 7 or 8 years, comment on the AAV when we know it.
If we don't, we'll never know the PLD ask so no one gives a flying duck about what your personal "max threshold" would've been and if HuGo agreed.

In the meantime, do we have to keep listing and argumenting on every single combination of salary and trade assets that might happen until then?

It's a forum, we can discuss hypotheticals, but at what point does it become a mental fixation?
Probably 2 months ago. FFS let's move on.
/rant

 

[MarkovsKnee]

Why are you trading Pezzetta? I see more growth from him and he’s a perfect 4th liner with Evans.

Well, I did say maybe. He's alright as a 4th liner. He's cheap too.

 

[Habs Halifax]

This PLD blackhole is so infinitely tiring.
The only people who have ALL the info to judge if it's worth trading and/or signing PLD in the next 17 months are HuGo, Chevy, Brisson and PLD.

If we trade for PLD this summer, comment on the trade assets when we know them.
If we don't, we'll never know the WPG ask so no one gives a flying duck about what your personal "max threshold" would've been and if HuGo agreed.

If we sign PLD, either RFA after trade or UFA, 7 or 8 years, comment on the AAV when we know it.
If we don't, we'll never know the PLD ask so no one gives a flying duck about what your personal "max threshold" would've been and if HuGo agreed.

In the meantime, do we have to keep listing and argumenting on every single combination of salary and trade assets that might happen until then?

It's a forum, we can discuss hypotheticals, but at what point does it become a mental fixation?
Probably 2 months ago. FFS let's move on.
/rant

What do you want to talk about instead? How bad Gallagher is and how we can try to trade him? Wait, what about Hoffman, Dvorak, and Armia. Lets get obsessive in trying to talk trade with them instead? Better yet, lets talk about how many pieces we can trade for Bedard if we don't win the lottery?

Dubois context is deep and we have not been in a situation where a player like this is choosing his way to Montreal for his prime. Don't like the conversations? You don't have to take part but this is not going away until it either happens or he signs with someone else.

This thread is for what trades we would do. Not really meant for talking about confirmed trades after the fact. If it happens, there will be a specific thread for that

 

[domiwroze]

Dvorak is not a problem. He's a good center to have during transition years and allows time for Beck and Kidney to develop. Did you not see our center depth problems this year with injuries?

Our Goalie search is something we will look into as time moves forward. Its not a pressing need cause we are still in rebuild/transition for a few years. I'm pretty sure we will review potential trades and also draft more goalies.

Dubois is a unique circumstance. This story is not going away. Don't like the conversations? Sure but others can and will talk about it. He's less than a year older than Suzuki and it's a piece we can add for his prime. Not wanting to engage is stupid. He's just as good as Suzuki and they would be a great 1/2 punch up the middle. Even if we are able to win a lottery spot (Bedard or Fantilli).

Your point A is contradicting your point B.

If we're not ready to compete and don't need to look at the goalies, we don't need Dvorak and he holds some value for future or prospects.

Don't worry, we get it, you love to talk about Dubois. What I mean it's that you guys did a whole 360 on the subject, 5-6 times already.

 

[BergevinBurner]

If we ever do sign/trade for PLD I wonder what these trade threads will be filled with

Would Lafreniere be next on the menu?

 

[SlafySZN]

Adding Dubois is not for immediate help. It's a long term piece and he's less than 1 year old than Suzuki. Using Debrincat, Giroux, and Chychrun are bad examples.

* Debrincat did not come with extension and he has the leverage with his min salary arbitration. It also cost them the 7th pick and we are not trading that kind of value for Dubois

* Giroux is 35, Dubois is 24. Enough said.

* Chychrun comes with 3 years in team control. Nice value contract but then what? Needs a new contract when the cap is much higher. I can see them in cap trouble at that point.

The error is you think Dubois moves us into the playoffs and we start to become obsessive buyers. NO! He's a long term building block and with or with out Dubois, we are looking at a pick from 10-15 range next season.

If you don't want Dubois and want to tank for 3+ more years, you might as well trade Suzuki cause they are similar in age.

Hughes said it’s gonna take at least 2-3 years, just a few days ago, though.

So we might not agree on Dubois and how we see him or how he fits but the rebuild is very real. We’re not competing in the next 2-3 years.

 

[Habs Halifax]

With the news about Fanatics taking over making the league's official jerseys for the next 10 years, should I jump the gun and get a Habs PLD jersey before it's too late?

No, don't do it. Bad karma. I'm around 60-80% he becomes a Habs (not 100%).

But hey, lets play... what Jersey # would it be? Does he change his number?

 

[sampollock]

pld

 

[Sasha Orlov]

No, don't do it. Bad karma. I'm around 60-80% he becomes a Habs (not 100%).

But hey, lets play... what Jersey # would it be? Does he change his number?

69

 

[Habs Halifax]

Hughes said it’s gonna take at least 2-3 years, just a few days ago, though.

Hughes also said it's fluid and it requires balance. He said a lot so don't cherry pick.

However, I am on record at saying that the next 3-5 years is more transition/rebuild years. The rebuild is only over when the holes become less and less and the team creeps into the top 10 and makes the playoffs consistently. So his 2-3 years at least is accurate. That don't mean we won't trade for Dubois. He's not some age 28+ asset and I recall some fans saying we should trade for Meier and I said no. See the difference?

There is about a 8 year age gap between Dubois and the 2024 picks. That's a good range and I would not stretch it beyond that. I believe there is 8 years between Hedman/Stamkos and Point/Sergachev.

 

[417]

If we ever do sign/trade for PLD I wonder what these trade threads will be filled with

Would Lafreniere be next on the menu?

Everytime I see your avatar i'm reminded how enraged some fans were at the whole logo thing and how, quite predictably, they'd get over it a few months into this season.

That thread was something else boy lol

 

[Habs Halifax]

69

Habs and Dubois love affair. It fits

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

With the news about Fanatics taking over making the league's official jerseys for the next 10 years, should I jump the gun and get a Habs PLD jersey before it's too late?

Do you have an autogrphed Canadiens Wright jersey??