HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #84: Off-Season edition

[Scriptor]

'' my dream is to win a cup ''

rumours he wants to join a team that has drafted 1st overall and have potential to draft top 4 again this year and are nowhere close to playoffs.

He says money is not everything then just sign 2m a year for 5 years in Colorado as their second center and farm those cups .

I kinda find this hilarious lol

I find it kind of hilarious that you can't make any leeway for common sense and thus find it kind of hilarious.

What Dubois is saying I that he is willing to make relative concessions in salary demands if it will lead to building a better team and increasing the odds of winning a Cup -- were not talking about Kariya who went to COL for one year at 1.2M in the hopes of winning a Cup.

I.e. Dubois accepts 8.75M for 8 years instead of demanding 9.5M and not signing if he doesn't get the whole thing. The front loaded nature of a contract and the bonus structure possible would make this more possible and attractive as the NET remaining will come closer to 9.5M on a regular contract structure by the end of the deal.

That's where money isn't the end all of agreeing to a contract.

MON has the advantage of signing Dubois as the eldest of the young core and, if they can't win a Cup in 6 years, by the time he is 30, they could help facilitate a trade to a team that is contending for a Cup. It's a win-win as Montreal would then give Dubois' salary to a replacement player turning 24, 25 or 26, maybe the player we draft with our own pick in 2023?

In the meantime, Dubois tries to win with his home town team...

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

yeah i see what you mean. But isn't only in the cases of offersheets??.

Yeah, as it says the player needs to be on your reserve list at the deadline to extend by 8 years, but I have to imagine if the player is on your team after July 1st you should be good.



Also, the link for anyone who wants to hear Friedman on Marek's show

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

any news on why Levi isnt signed yet any chance he goes back to college to become a UFA?

 

[Benstheman]

Yeah, as it says the player needs to be on your reserve list at the deadline to extend by 8 years, but I have to imagine if the player is on your team after July 1st you should be good.



Also, the link for anyone who wants to hear Friedman on Marek's show

I wonder if Hughes and Brisson talked contract extension. I mean it's a big part of any deal going forward.

Also probably Habs want to know where they will stand with their two picks before negociating a package with the Jets.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

Why not? If he’s traded to the Habs, they can then offer him 8 years. Only if they sign him as a UFA that they can only do 7. Or am I missing something?

If he signs a 1 year 7M $ first, yes he can.

A team can only sign a player to an 8 year contract if they were on their roster at the most recent trade deadline.

 

[Sterling Archer]

A team can only sign a player to an 8 year contract if they were on their roster at the most recent trade deadline.

But if they trade for PLD this summer, and sign him before the season starts to a long term contract, why would they not be able to add the 8th year if he's under contract? I don't see them not being able to.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

But if they trade for PLD this summer, and sign him before the season starts to a long term contract, why would they not be able to add the 8th year if he's under contract? I don't see them not being able to.

If they (Habs and PLD) want the extra year, they can get Winnipeg to put it in for pretty much a nothing add. Maybe a 5th.

Hf overvalued the sign and trade.

That said, if the Habs acquire him at the draft and wait until after July 1st it's gotta be fine. Or mauve even June 30th. Usually players become ufas on June 30th/ teams lose the ability to sign them 8 years at that time.

July 1st signifies the start of a new season, so if the player is on your reserve list as of July 1st if would logically make sense you could sign them 8 years if eligible

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

But if they trade for PLD this summer, and sign him before the season starts to a long term contract, why would they not be able to add the 8th year if he's under contract? I don't see them not being able to.

 

[Sterling Archer]

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This makes sense but it's not pertinenet. It's seperating the 1 year deal and long term deal. What I'm saying is trade PLD and sign him to an 8 year deal when he's still RFA. Effectively wrapping the 1 year of RFA with the 7 UFA. So once his contract is up on July 1, you sign him to an 8 year extension. That's what I'm wondering can be done or not. If not, as TDC said above, just get Jets to do it for Habs and sign and trade for him.

 

[Runner77]

Jets are also stacked on the left its the last thing they need

In that case, try a set-up trade with another team where players from a position of excess might be a need for that team. Try and obtain assets that would be sought by Winnipeg.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

This makes sense but it's not pertinenet. It's seperating the 1 year deal and long term deal. What I'm saying is trade PLD and sign him to an 8 year deal when he's still RFA. Effectively wrapping the 1 year of RFA with the 7 UFA. So once his contract is up on July 1, you sign him to an 8 year extension. That's what I'm wondering can be done or not. If not, as TDC said above, just get Jets to do it for Habs and sign and trade for him.

It says a team can only sign a player to an 8 year contract if they were on their roster at the most recent trade deadline.
It doesn't matter if he's rfa.

The habs are better off signing Dubois to a 7-year contract than 8 years (via Jets). At 32 years old, Dubois might not be worth that money anymore. He plays a physical game, and his body might not be able to keep up anymore.

 

[Team_Spirit]

From the main boards;

People joke and say it's alright for 6.5m (Huberdeau 10.5m 8yrs deals starts next season)

Biggest drops in production in NHL history, min 70 games both seasons:

Player	1st year	2nd year	1st points	2nd points	Drop
Jonathan Huberdeau (on pace)	2022	2023	115	55	-60
Bill Barber	1976	1977	112	55	-57
Dennis Maruk	1982	1983	136	81	-55
Bob MacMillan	1979	1980	108	61	-47
Reggie Leach	1976	1977	91	46	-45
Chuck Lefley	1976	1977	85	41	-44
Phil Esposito	1975	1976	127	83	-44
Sergei Fedorov	1996	1997	107	63	-44
Mats Naslund	1989	1990	84	41	-43
Pete Mahovlich	1976	1977	105	62	-43
Vaclav Nedomansky	1980	1981	74	32	-42
Wayne Gretzky	1991	1992	163	121	-42
Joe Mullen	1989	1990	110	69	-41
Mike Modano	2003	2004	85	44	-41
Andre Boudrias	1975	1976	78	38	-40
Brian MacLellan	1985	1986	85	45	-40
Bryan Trottier	1982	1983	129	89	-40
Jean Pronovost	1976	1977	104	64	-40

Unless he picks up the pace, Huberdeau is going to have literally the biggest year-over-year decrease in production in NHL history (minimum 70 games both years).

 

[Tanknation]

Andrew Berkshire dropping a rumour that an ex-Hab would like to return to Montreal. Could it be Pacioretty?

Could be Staal looking for a contract to play out till he is 55 years old.

 

[ML16]

Do you have any idea of what are the needs of Winnipeg ?

From what I gather, Winnipeg’s needs next season if they trade Dubois and wish to remain competitive before Scheifele, Wheeler and Helleybuyck all hit UFA status in 2024 would be:

- a C replacement for Dubois (unless the Jets opt to use Scheifele/Perfetti at C1/C2, in which case, they’d still need another top-9 forward, likely a C to push Lowry down to C4);
- a G2;
- a RHD.

Interestingly, the Jets have about 8M in cap space to bolster their roster next year. They can live without adding another RHD, but they have to budget at least 1M for a G2, so « only » about 7M available for Dubois (or Dubois’ replacement(s)).

 

[Captain Mountain]

From the main boards;

People joke and say it's alright for 6.5m (Huberdeau 10.5m 8yrs deals starts next season)

Man, I remember how many people on here last year were hot at bothered at the idea of signing Huberdeau to a massive contract this offseason.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Man, I remember how many people on here last year were hot at bothered at the idea of signing Huberdeau to a massive contract this offseason.

I don't remember anyone wanting to sign him for the contract Winnipeg gave him.

 

[Colezuki]

I don't remember anyone wanting to sign him for the contract Winnipeg gave him.

Calgary

 

[Captain Mountain]

I don't remember anyone wanting to sing him for the contract Winnipeg gave him.

Calgary. He was also going to get a contract around there, if people that he was going sign an 8x7 contract then they weren't being realistic. but the issue was more that the worst team in the NHL signing a veteran to a UFA deal (which are never cheap) until he's in his late 30s was always a terrible idea.

And its not like it wasn't offered as an opinion, I remember the debate:

HF Habs: - Trade Proposal Thread #79

Nothing happened during Free Agency Frenzie for Montreal. Petry Hoffman Dvorak Anderson Do any of them get traded this summer? At TD? Make your proposal!

forums.hfboards.com

HF Habs: - Trade Proposal Thread #80

Figure out a way to trade price and/or gallagher to liberate cap space for hub and pld when they become ufa/rfa

forums.hfboards.com

 

[DAChampion]

Andrew Berkshire dropping a rumour that an ex-Hab would like to return to Montreal. Could it be Pacioretty?

Does an elderly Pacioretty fit on this roster at LW?

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Andrew Berkshire dropping a rumour that an ex-Hab would like to return to Montreal. Could it be Pacioretty?

Larry Robinson?

 

[nhlfan9191]

Man, I remember how many people on here last year were hot at bothered at the idea of signing Huberdeau to a massive contract this offseason.

It flat out made me upset how many people were even playing with the idea of signing a long term expensive over 30 contract to a player coming of an unsually high career year like Huberdeau. Some players you just know when it’s a mistake before it happens and for whatever reason even employed GM’s that get paid a ton of money among other staff consistently fall into the same traps.

 

[Sorinth]

From what I gather, Winnipeg’s needs next season if they trade Dubois and wish to remain competitive before Scheifele, Wheeler and Helleybuyck all hit UFA status in 2024 would be:

- a C replacement for Dubois (unless the Jets opt to use Scheifele/Perfetti at C1/C2, in which case, they’d still need another top-9 forward, likely a C to push Lowry down to C4);
- a G2;
- a RHD.

Interestingly, the Jets have about 8M in cap space to bolster their roster next year. They can live without adding another RHD, but they have to budget at least 1M for a G2, so « only » about 7M available for Dubois (or Dubois’ replacement(s)).

They are no doubt also looking to dump Schmidt who has fallen off and would help free up the cap space to make a run at a UFA or pick up a salary

From a cap perspective Schmidt vs Dvorak and Edmundson @ 50% is pretty even. Having that as part of the Dubois deal might make it easier for Winnipeg to accept prospect/picks as the main value piece of the deal since they will have addressed those depth issues and still have the 7-8m to go out and get someone.

But for a crazy never going to happen proposal I would say a 3-way deal with San Jose that roughly looks like
MTL gets PLD
Winnipeg gets Erik Karlsson
SJ gets Florida's 1st, Calgary's 1st, +

 

[The Great Weal]

We need to dump Armia in the offseason, he can be replaced by a minimum-league player or any of the AHL guys we got on the team. A guy like Pezzetta produces less but is 1000 times more impactful.

 

[salbutera]

any news on why Levi isnt signed yet any chance he goes back to college to become a UFA?

2-more years of college before UFA, Buf is in no hurry, they have all the leverage… for now

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

any news on why Levi isnt signed yet any chance he goes back to college to become a UFA?

He signed