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HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #84: Off-Season edition

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BergevinBurner said:
According to Marinaro, the Jets have had scouts at a lot of London Knights games recently and said it could be because they're scouting Mailloux incase they want him in a PLD trade.
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I don't see it. Mailloux has elite tools and I'm sure Habds want to see if he becomes a Brent Burns or just merely a 3rd pair PP specialist.
 
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blueberry said:
I think it would be a huge mistake to trade Mailloux. The guys a stud already. Guys like him are rare. Why the great hurry to get Dubois anyway. If we are really gonna rebuild properly why get him now? If we get him the year after it would be perfect and if not we're still gonna have an exciting team in the near future anyway. Sounds kinda like the Toronto Tavares signing. That was their kiss of death. Keep our high picks and load up with talent, we the fans deserve it Please stay the course!!

I know they're not going to. Hughes is gonna trade mailloux or baron plus floridas pick, I can feel it. Then it's back to teams that are not good enough and not bad enough. And history just repeats itself........
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Dubois is RFA and I'm pretty sure the Jets are gonna trade him this summer. And wherever he gets traded to, it's gonna be a Meier/Horvat-type situation where there's gonna be a long-term deal attached to it. It's not a 100% sure that Dubois wouldn't be interested at playing at another place than here. And the Habs cannot take that chance. There is no way Dubois will play for the Jets this year. It's gonna be either for the Habs or another place.
 
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BergevinBurner said:
According to Marinaro, the Jets have had scouts at a lot of London Knights games recently and said it could be because they're scouting Mailloux incase they want him in a PLD trade.
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Are we really going that far to start rumours? :laugh:

Not everything in the world is centering around dubois and the habs. Every teams has scouts going to many juniors games lol.
 
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Kimota said:
Dubois is RFA and I'm pretty sure the Jets are gonna trade him this summer. And wherever he gets traded to, it's gonna be a Meier/Horvat-type situation where there's gonna be a long-term deal attached to it. It's not a 100% sure that Dubois wouldn't be interested at playing at another place than here. And the Habs cannot take that chance. There is no way Dubois will play for the Jets this year. It's gonna be either for the Habs or another place.
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Why can't we take that chance? Is Dubois really that necessary to our future? He's a good player, but I don't see him as a must-get.
 
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DAChampion said:
Mailloux, Dvorak, and a 2nd for Dubois, let's go !


Dubois is not "necessary", however he'd be a great add.
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He definitely would be a great add to our forward corp, but I know I don't want to give anything for him, I prefer to see if he really wants to play for the Habs, like he implied many times already, and sign with us as a UFA, or if he's full of shit like many others before him.
 
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Belial said:
Langlois on 98.5 FM was trading Dach to get Dubois... :facepalm:
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Dach would be a lateral move considering age and contact. However, if it can be done with picks prospects and roster players think Habs have to go for it, not often young big C becomes available that actually wants to sign here.

Assuming we don't win lottery ( hopefully getting Michkov at pick 4-6 lol) and have to include FLA 1st+ Dvorak++

Dubois - Suzuki - Caufield
Slafkovsky - Dach - Anderson
Hoffman/Farrell - Monahan - Gallagher
Pinard - Evans - Armia
Pezzetta/Ylonen

I know Dubois is C but feel like Dach is better off there and Dubois would compliment Suzuki/Caufield.
 
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DAChampion said:
Mailloux, Dvorak, and a 2nd for Dubois, let's go !


Dubois is not "necessary", however he'd be a great add.
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Dubois per se is not a do-or-die acquisition.

However, TALENT is a must-add.

The problem is that it is not always easy to acquire talent if the player does not want to play for you, and even if you do trade for him, results may not be best.

So when a player that HAS talent DOES seem to want to play for you, he is a more promising target.

Look at how Matheson and Petry, with probably similar talent levels, have performed much differently for Montreal the past two years. Matheson is totally engaged. He makes some mistakes, but he IMMEDIATELY fights to correct them. Petry last year, not so much. Different energy level and commitment.

So Dubois is a good target because of all the circumstances. His production, top-6 level, and on the upswing. His age, 24 to finish this season. Versatility, can play LW or C. Size, can complement some of our smaller skilled guys. Contract status, a big one - Winnipeg is losing some of the leverage they have in him as he approaches his UFA status.

I think due to all the above, starting with the clear need to acquire talent, it's worth making the effort to get Pierre-Luc Dubois before we are competing with 30 other suitors.

The cost to acquire PLD is probably going to be less than to acquire 90% of other similar talents. Let's not make the mistake of risking a potential deal while we try to rely on a UFA solution instead.
 
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L4br3cqu3 said:
He definitely would be a great add to our forward corp, but I know I don't want to give anything for him, I prefer to see if he really wants to play for the Habs, like he implied many times already, and sign with us as a UFA, or if he's full of shit like many others before him.
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The benefits of acquiring Dubois a year early:

1) 8 year contract
2) Negotiated early and this with better leverage than if it's July 2nd.
3) Speeds up the transition as it means a likely playoff spot in 2024.
4) Somebody to pass the puck to Slafkovsky. Remember the benefit of him playing with Monahan?
 
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DAChampion said:
The benefits of acquiring Dubois a year early:

1) 8 year contract
2) Negotiated early and this with better leverage than if it's July 2nd.
3) Speeds up the transition as it means a likely playoff spot in 2024.
4) Somebody to pass the puck to Slafkovsky. Remember the benefit of him playing with Monahan?
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If the Habs acquire him at the draft, qualify him, and then sign him to a one year contract with very high cap hit that utilizes whatever leftover cap space we have and then immediately thereafter signs a pre-contract for eight years at a lower cap hit we could hit it out of the park with the defacto nine year deal.

Long contracts almost never work out but this would be an interesting way to sign a 1x10m+8x8.5m contract that’s more or less friendly toward our cap structure going forward.
 
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ReHabs said:
If the Habs acquire him at the draft, qualify him, and then sign him to a one year contract with very high cap hit that utilizes whatever leftover cap space we have and then immediately thereafter signs a pre-contract for eight years at a lower cap hit we could hit it out of the park with the defacto nine year deal.

Long contracts almost never work out but this would be an interesting way to sign a 1x10m+8x8.5m contract that’s more or less friendly toward our cap structure going forward.
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When are we signing the one-year contract? The next contract for 8 years can only be signed Jan 1 or later of the year of the one-year deal.
 
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BaseballCoach said:
When are we signing the one-year contract? The next contract for 8 years can only be signed Jan 1 or later of the year of the one-year deal.
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Picture the exact same situation as Kotkaniemi except it isn’t an offersheet
 
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Boss Man Hughes said:
I would be very surprised if HuGo ever did a handshake deal.
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Me too, plus the only benefit of it is to get Dubois signed for one extra year - his age 33 year.

I think it will be a straight 8 year deal after acquisition.

Also, i would like to stagger the years of UFA renewals for Suzuki, Caufield, Dubois, Matheson, Guhle and Dach. Six different years, or at least five.

2028 - Caufield (5 yrs after this summer ELC expiry)
2029 - Matheson (3 yrs after UFA expiry 2026)
2030 - Suzuki
2031 - Dubois (8 yrs after Summer 2023 trade)
2032 - Dach (6 yrs after RFA expiry 2026)
2033 - Guhle (8 yrs after ELC expiry 2025)
 
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Kimota said:
Dubois is RFA and I'm pretty sure the Jets are gonna trade him this summer. And wherever he gets traded to, it's gonna be a Meier/Horvat-type situation where there's gonna be a long-term deal attached to it. It's not a 100% sure that Dubois wouldn't be interested at playing at another place than here. And the Habs cannot take that chance. There is no way Dubois will play for the Jets this year. It's gonna be either for the Habs or another place.
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In the Horvat/Meier situations, there was NO LONG-TERM DEAL ATTACHED. What are you talking about?
 
PLD is driving this area insane....lol
Let's look at this, He may not even sign here. How many players have been rumored here, and yet never did it work out
could it, for sure... would be great... we can't even state it is a slam dunk. to many moving parts.
Yes everyone here says "oh as a ufa" you don't think other teams could throw more money and produce less tax, like the USA. that has a huge bearing if a guy signs in canada.
 
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