HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #84: Off-Season edition

[Runner77]

A Jets fan posted an analysis of their competitive situation and it seemed spot on, the summary is that the Jets cannot afford to rebuild and they will instead continue trying to compete. It is likely they'll considering keeping PLD at his QO (at the risk of a hold-out/sit-out) rather than sell him for peanuts -- because they'd rather get some on-ice service out of him for one more year than not.

As an aside, there are several players who hail from Manitoba or an adjoining province like Saskatchewan. If I’m Winnipeg’s GM, I prioritize the acquisition of such players as they have roots either in or close to Manitoba and are much more likely to play for the Peg longer term.

If I could flip Dubois in a package that includes a young upside player of that profile, it would have to be given serious consideration.

 

[ReHabs]

As an aside, there are several players who hail from Manitoba or an adjoining province like Saskatchewan. If I’m Winnipeg’s GM, I prioritize the acquisition of such players as they have roots either in or close to Manitoba and are much more likely to play for the Peg longer term.

If I could flip Dubois for an upside player of that profile, it would have to be given serious consideration.

That would seem to be their only hope to sustainably building a team. IT seems like WPG has cashflow issues, if they face a rebuild they could be in financial trouble -- if I'm the GM I'd rather putter along and try to moneyball things than risk a reset/rebuild. They have hard choices to make with their pending UFAs this and next year.

 

[Scriptor]

So you were there behind the scene? Those deals were announced pretty quickly after the trades.

Nevertheless if there was or there were not we cannot take that chance.



We really don't have much else. We have a big zero on offense other than Suz, Dach(still unproven) and CC.

I wouldn't take the chance that there is no extension in place, not if we were giving up a solid prospect, or a 1st round pick. Definitely not.

As to the were you there behind then scene question, it's a bit daft, like saying you can surmise anything and, if I have no first hand proof your fabulation is false, it become true?

Explain it to me, please.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Is an Armia and Hoffman double-buyout possible in the summer with the emergence of wingers on the roster?
Otherwise, it's hard to imagine how they will make space for RHP, Ylonen, Farrell, and maybe Heineman, Gurianov and Pezzetta.

It would result in:

- 1.2M cap-hit in 23-24 -> 6.7M freed up
- 2.7M cap-hit in 24-25 -> .7M freed up
- 1.433M cap-hit in 25-26
- 1.433M cap-hit in 26-27


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No.

At least not for Hoffman. Stick with him and might be able to deal him at the deadline.

 

[Sorinth]

I don’t think the Jets wait to trade PLD at next years TD as they would have to listen to all the distractions all year if they are in a playoff race. Plus the chances of him being injured ala Monahan would mean they get no return. I would trade for him if it makes sense but would offer Dvorak, Mesar and Barron. Mesar is small and not lighting up the OHL. Farrell may be better.

Not too mention odds are Winnipeg is probably in the playoff race next year if they keep PLD which means they wouldn't end up trading him at next years deadline. Their choice is pretty much trade him this offseason or lose him for nothing in a year.

They are probably more comfortable with losing him for nothing then most fans here think, and they also no doubt want NHL player(s) back in the deal. But don't expect a prospect/pick(s) and a cap dump to get it done.

 

[Lockin17]

Would you guys trade Lafreniere for Farrell + 2nd 2023 #37 ??

I would

 

[morhilane]

Not too mention odds are Winnipeg is probably in the playoff race next year if they keep PLD which means they wouldn't end up trading him at next years deadline. Their choice is pretty much trade him this offseason or lose him for nothing in a year.

They are probably more comfortable with losing him for nothing then most fans here think, and they also no doubt want NHL player(s) back in the deal. But don't expect a prospect/pick(s) and a cap dump to get it done.

Winnipeg risk losing a lot more than PLD for nothing next season. Wheeler, Scheifele and Hellebuyck are UFA as well and going by the rumors last off-season, the first two aren't re-signing with the Jets. Two of their dmen are also UFA next year.

 

[Whalers Fan]

Would you guys trade Lafreniere for Farrell + 2nd 2023 #37 ??

I would

The Rangers wouldn't make that deal.

 

[Sorinth]

Winnipeg risk losing a lot more than PLD for nothing next season. Wheeler, Scheifele and Hellebuyck are UFA as well and going by the rumors last off-season, the first two aren't re-signing with the Jets. Two of their dmen are also UFA next year.

And what? If you are going to believe the rumors that those guys want out, then you should also believe the rumors that Winnipeg won't sell their UFAs for picks/prospects and go into a rebuild.

 

[DAChampion]

And what? If you are going to believe the rumors that those guys want out, then you should also believe the rumors that Winnipeg won't sell their UFAs for picks/prospects and go into a rebuild.

So basically Winnipeg will take one last kick at the can probably resulting in a first round exit and then go for a scorched Earth Chicago - style rebuild?

 

[Sorinth]

So basically Winnipeg will take one last kick at the can probably resulting in a first round exit and then go for a scorched Earth Chicago - style rebuild?

My guess is they will try to avoid rebuilding even if they lose all/most of those guys. That's not to say they won't trade PLD or any of the others this offseason, just that they will likely be more hockey trades rather then trading for futures.

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

Would you guys trade Lafreniere for Farrell + 2nd 2023 #37 ??

I would

Of course we would but why would NYR

 

[ole ole]

I doubt Jets trade Dubois. If I was them I would sign him take another run at it. If it doesn't work out they can get big return for Dubois at deadline.

Unless Montreal blows their doors off. I would demand the 5th overall if I am Jets. If not keep him.

They can keep him . I have no interest in giving up our 1st rd pick.

 

[ole ole]

1st + Kidney + Ylonen + Hoffman for Dubois
Shouldnt be complicated

The habs can afford to give this up, and the jets get a potential top 6 center in Kidney to replace Dubois

Panthers 1st? + Kidney + Ylonen + Hoffman for Dubois. I would easily do that for a signed PLD.

 

[TomKosto]

Would you guys trade Lafreniere for Farrell + 2nd 2023 #37 ??

I would

Of course you would

 

[Slafkofield]

Of course we would but why would NYR

Farrell will play the last 9 games of the season, and you will see why the NYR would want him

 

[Habs Halifax]

Dubois is not worth more than Nick Suzuki and if he wants more he can go elsewhere. I wonder how many points Suzuki would have playing with the linemates PLD gets and has had on a regular basis? Suzuki has been saddled with scrubs for much of his tenure here. A frickin revolving door of Drouin Hoffman Anderson Pitlick RHP Ylonen etc. Aside from Caufield and Toffoli he's been blessed with a complete lack of reliable talented wingers.

Dubois will be paid more UFA years so yes, he will get a bit more than Suzuki. $8.5M is in line with what Horvat, Hintz, and Larkin got. Fight that logic all you want.

Adding Dubois is about helping Suzuki so we have two good centers. If Dach has to be a puck possession winger, so be it. This increases our forward depth and talent.

 

[WeThreeKings]

I wouldn't do it. Laffy is tapped.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I doubt Jets trade Dubois. If I was them I would sign him take another run at it. If it doesn't work out they can get big return for Dubois at deadline.

Unless Montreal blows their doors off. I would demand the 5th overall if I am Jets. If not keep him.

Why would the Jets keep him for one more season when they didn't with Trouba and they were a bigger contender back when vs who they are today? Jets are a frugal team as a small market team and they can't gamble with this asset.

Why does Dubois return more than Trouba and Horvat? Panthers pick will be in play but if they ask for our 5th pick, hang up the phone and let them drown with him.

 

[Habs Halifax]

1st + Kidney + Ylonen + Hoffman for Dubois
Shouldnt be complicated

The habs can afford to give this up, and the jets get a potential top 6 center in Kidney to replace Dubois

Panthers 1st and Beck gets the deal done IMO. Rather not trade Beck but look at what we have after the trade up the middle. We actually have enough cap space to sign Caufield and Dubois and we don't have to send a contract to the Jets in the Dubois deal. Flipping Eddy to a contender won't be that difficult if we have to take back little value. Keep Hoffman and his numbers will improve with Dubois in the mix. Value will be decent at the 2024 deadline.

Suzuki
Dubois
Dach
Our pick is likely going to be a center (Bedard, Fantilli, or Smith). Maybe we take Michkov but he is not a center.
Kidney

I'm all over adding Dubois as long as we are still sellers for the 2024 deadline. Regardless of where we are in the standings.

 

[Habs Halifax]

The Habs do not need the cap space next season, so I don't see the point.

Agreed. The Habs do not have to make desperate moves to free up cap next season. We still have cap space even after Caufield and Dubois contracts.

Eddy is also included and he can easily be flipped to a contender if we are willing to take back little trade value.

Would you guys trade Lafreniere for Farrell + 2nd 2023 #37 ??

I would

Wait for Farrell to turn pro first. See what you got cause he could be as good or better than Lafreniere.

 

[ML16]

Why would the Jets keep him for one more season when they didn't with Trouba and they were a bigger contender back when vs who they are today? Jets are a frugal team as a small market team and they can't gamble with this asset.

Why does Dubois return more than Trouba and Horvat? Panthers pick will be in play but if they ask for our 5th pick, hang up the phone and let them drown with him.

It would indeed be quite a gamble for the Jets to keep Dubois knowing he’s not interested in signing long term.

Furthermore, losing the latter for nothing next summer would definitely not entice Scheifele and Helkeybuyck to renew their contracts with Winnipeg.

Whereas leveraging Dubois to acquire stop-gaps and futures to remain competitive during Scheifele/Helleybuyck/Morrissey’s window would make a lot of sense.

For these reasons, I think it is more probable than not that Dubois will be traded before the 2023 draft.

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

Farrell will play the last 9 games of the season, and you will see why the NYR would want him

i know exactly who Farrell his NYR isnt making that trade

 

[417]

it's more so for the roster spots and to avoid any locker room rift if they're sent down to the minors.

But that money's actually coming out of the owner's pockets.

Buyouts aren't as popular as most think, i'd guess every owner would rather not buyout anyone. I think they do it when their GM has a plan to improve the team by substracting from it.

But the Habs aren't likely a playoff team next year...Molson ain't signing off on 1 buyout, never mind 2...especially not when one of those players will be on an expiring deal.

 

[Benstheman]

Panthers 1st and Beck gets the deal done IMO. Rather not trade Beck but look at what we have after the trade up the middle. We actually have enough cap space to sign Caufield and Dubois and we don't have to send a contract to the Jets in the Dubois deal. Flipping Eddy to a contender won't be that difficult if we have to take back little value. Keep Hoffman and his numbers will improve with Dubois in the mix. Value will be decent at the 2024 deadline.

Suzuki
Dubois
Dach
Our pick is likely going to be a center (Bedard, Fantilli, or Smith). Maybe we take Michkov but he is not a center.
Kidney

I'm all over adding Dubois as long as we are still sellers for the 2024 deadline. Regardless of where we are in the standings.

Won't have much to sell anyways. Maybe Eddy if healthy and after he has a decent season would net us a 2nd + 3rd. But if you are in a position to make the playoffs and Eddy is useful to this team, i don't see HuGo trading him for that return. He would become our own rental in a way.

The important thing would be not to be buyer. Stay the course. Let the guys learn through the process. If they make it fine. If they don't, they will be disappointed, only to get more hungry going forward.