HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #84: Off-Season edition

[DAChampion]

Wait for Farrell to turn pro first. See what you got cause he could be as good or better than Lafreniere.

Farrell could exceed Lafreniere but it seems unlikely.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Farrell could exceed Lafreniere but it seems unlikely.

I don't think it will be difficult for Farrell to exceed 30-40 pts a season and provide surplus defensive/PK value than Laf.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

As an aside, there are several players who hail from Manitoba or an adjoining province like Saskatchewan. If I’m Winnipeg’s GM, I prioritize the acquisition of such players as they have roots either in or close to Manitoba and are much more likely to play for the Peg longer term.

If I could flip Dubois in a package that includes a young upside player of that profile, it would have to be given serious consideration.

They actually do try to do that. They also try to get Americans from Minnesota as Winnipeg is pretty close to home.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

1st + Kidney + Ylonen + Hoffman for Dubois
Shouldnt be complicated

The habs can afford to give this up, and the jets get a potential top 6 center in Kidney to replace Dubois

I imagine Jets would prefer a strong roster player over futures, since the 1st is a future.

1st, roster player, Ylonen. Hoffman is obviously a cap dump.

 

[WeThreeKings]

I imagine Jets would prefer a strong roster player over futures, since the 1st is a future.

1st, roster player, Ylonen. Hoffman is obviously a cap dump.

Dvorak makes the most sense.. but I'm sure there's a possibility, if Anderson doesn't have a NTC on Winnipeg, we could get it done as an almost straight swap.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

Dvorak makes the most sense.. but I'm sure there's a possibility, if Anderson doesn't have a NTC on Winnipeg, we could get it done as an almost straight swap.

He has an 8 team no trade list. You have to imagine Winnipeg is on it. It drops to 5 team summer of 2024, but I imagine Winnipeg is still on it.

If the rumours are true that Montreal was in discussion with Ottawa last year to trade Anderson for the #7 OA pick (to trade to Chicago for Dach) then maybe Ottawa isn't on his list.

 

[WeThreeKings]

He has an 8 team no trade list. You have to imagine Winnipeg is on it. It drops to 5 team summer of 2024, but I imagine Winnipeg is still on it.

If the rumours are true that Montreal was in discussion with Ottawa last year to trade Anderson for the #7 OA pick (to trade to Chicago for Dach) then maybe Ottawa isn't on his list.

Ottawa doesn't have any draft currency for Anderson now. Maybe Anderson doesn't have Winnipeg though and wants to play in Canada?

 

[MarkovsKnee]

Ottawa doesn't have any draft currency for Anderson now. Maybe Anderson doesn't have Winnipeg though and wants to play in Canada?

It's happened before. He is Canadian. 8 teams is a lot though. My guess Buffalo & Arizona are on it. Too long in loser status. Maybe Chicago & Anaheim for same reasons. After that, it gets a lot tougher. It comes down to livability, which is why Edmonton & Winnipeg get on the list. They are cold, dark places. That's 6. Maybe Columbus because been there, done that with current management. Final one, San Jose because it's too expensive to live there. Lol

 

[Habs Halifax]

Farrell could exceed Lafreniere but it seems unlikely.

Unlikely yes but also risky. Doubt the Rangers consider this. Maybe they do if they have plans off signing both Tarasenko and Kane and prefer Farrell's ELC over Lafreniere's higher bridge deal.

Farrell should turn pro and play some games with us this year. We can re visit that then cause that trade idea is one done this summer.

 

[Adam Michaels]

Marinaro on his podcast last night when asked about PLD from a listener said that from what he hears, the Jets have been going to watch a lot of London Knights games.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Won't have much to sell anyways. Maybe Eddy if healthy and after he has a decent season would net us a 2nd + 3rd. But if you are in a position to make the playoffs and Eddy is useful to this team, i don't see HuGo trading him for that return. He would become our own rental in a way.

The important thing would be not to be buyer. Stay the course. Let the guys learn through the process. If they make it fine. If they don't, they will be disappointed, only to get more hungry going forward.

I think we could have traded Eddy last deadline but Gorton/Hughes were wanting a higher return. Smart cause if they are forced to move him for lower value, we can do that on draft day or this summer. Best to stay patient there cause Eddy should be 100% healthy for next season. Contenders will consider him and it comes down to what Gorton/Hughes are willing to take back.

I don't see us being buyers. Not one bit. We have a roster clutter as it is.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Marinaro on his podcast last night when asked about PLD from a listener said that from what he hears, the Jets have been going to watch a lot of London Knights games.

No doubt the Habs and Jets are talking and there are pieces on the table the Jets will evaluate. For all we know, the Panthers 1st is not in play and maybe it's a Beck and Mailloux trade.

To be honest, I'm not real excited at trading Mailloux due to our RD Depth.

 

[Adam Michaels]

No doubt the Habs and Jets are talking and there are pieces on the table the Jets will evaluate. For all we know, the Panthers 1st is not in play and maybe it's a Beck and Mailloux trade.

Friedman also confirmed that the Habs/Jets have already spoken about a PLD trade. So they surely have had some preliminary talks.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Friedman also confirmed that the Habs/Jets have already spoken about a PLD trade. So they surely have had some preliminary talks.

I've heard that too. Context just keeps coming!

Any fan trying to say Dubois doesn't really want to play with the Habs are acting ignorant at this stage. And other GM's know what's up so they likely steer clear. Especially after Dubois asked out of Columbus and doesn't want to sign long term with the Jets who have a good team.

Habs have leverage in this case. We will engage if it's a Trouba type trade.

Dubois will be our lottery win. If we get Bedard or Fantilli, that's two lottery wins!

 

[Benstheman]

I think we could have traded Eddy last deadline but Gorton/Hughes were wanting a higher return. Smart cause if they are forced to move him for lower value, we can do that on draft day or this summer. Best to stay patient there cause Eddy should be 100% healthy for next season. Contenders will consider him and it comes down to what Gorton/Hughes are willing to take back.

I don't see us being buyers. Not one bit. We have a roster clutter as it is.

Yeah lots of moving parts anyway. Unless we win Bedard, it's unlikely we battle for a playoffs spot, even with PLD. So it's a moot point to discuss. We will be bsellers.

That being said, i don't see Eddy (and Hoffman, Pitlick and Wideman) being pieces that would derail any direction we will be in at next year's TDL. They are secondary pieces at best.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

Friedman also confirmed that the Habs/Jets have already spoken about a PLD trade. So they surely have had some preliminary talks.

If Florida does make the playoffs then that 1st is even easier to give up for PLD. It's a question of which roster player they want, and probably another young player (like Ylonen).

The Meier trade is I think sort of a guide line. New Jersey's 1st is going to be much later though.

 

[Vachon23]

Winnipeg have no reason to trade PLD at friendly price to the Habs this summer.

They can keep him to try on last time with PLD/Helleybuck/Schiefele and trade them at a high price at the TDL if they are not competitive

 

[Habs Halifax]

Yeah lots of moving parts anyway. Unless we win Bedard, it's unlikely we battle for a playoffs spot, even with PLD. So it's a moot point to discuss. We will be bsellers.

That being said, i don't see Eddy (and Hoffman, Pitlick and Wideman) being pieces that would derail any direction we will be in at next year's TDL. They are secondary pieces at best.

We see it the same. Even if we add Bedard and Dubois, I still see bubble playoff team at best. Bedard won't turn the needle that much in his 1st season at age 18.

McDavid had an injury in his 1st season (48 pts in 45 games) but the Oilers finished 2nd last in his 1st season. MacKinnon didn't turn the needle for the Avs for a few seasons.

Edmundson will be moved this summer IMO. Gorton/Hughes will look at taking the best return they can get. Our ability to get all those 1st rounders at the 2022 deadline is not something we will be able to do every deadline. It's a fluid situation and way too many fans are too desperate to try to move Hoffman, and Armia pieces.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Winnipeg have no reason to trade PLD at friendly price to the Habs this summer.

They can keep him to try on last time with PLD/Helleybuck/Schiefele and trade them at a high price at the TDL if they are not competitive

Flawed. Why did the Jets trade Trouba back when? They had a better contender then vs what they have now. All the Habs have to do is offer more than a deadline rental price. Look up Horvat trade and consider this, how many teams like the Islanders will trade their 14-18 range pick? It happens but Jets won't bank on it.

No way the Jets will want to head into next season with less leverage and a distraction all season long. The only way they consider this is if the offers are dirt cheap but this will be their last option

Habs have many different offers they can make that are higher than a 2024 deadline price:
* Panthers 1st and Beck
or
* Mailloux and Beck

Hughes and Gorton will manage this well and the Jets know that the Habs are the team that likely offers the best pieces.

 

[morhilane]

No doubt the Habs and Jets are talking and there are pieces on the table the Jets will evaluate. For all we know, the Panthers 1st is not in play and maybe it's a Beck and Mailloux trade.

To be honest, I'm not real excited at trading Mailloux due to our RD Depth.

While the RD depth is bad, if the Jets are ready to trade Dubois for FLA 1st + Mailloux, I would do that trade any time. Add Dvorak for a roster player center too if you want, it's totally worth it.

 

[waitin425]

I was thinking about the PLD situation a little, and I have come to the conclusion that it is completely dependent on whether we get Bedard. If we somehow win the Bedard sweepstakes, I would look to keep whatever we would trade for PLD (presumably the Panthers 1st) and the cap space needed for him for even more depth at D.

With Bedard, I feel our top 6 is extremely strong, and we would not want to become too top heavy (a la Edmonton)

Bedard
Suzuki
Caufield
Dach
Slaf
and our 6th spot in the top 6 could be any one of Beck, Farrell, Anderson, etc.

I would aim squarely at a D man with the Panthers pick (Reinbacher, ASP, etc.)

If our cap space can handle it, I would rather (if we have Bedard) aim at future UFA d men (like Theodore in 2025).

If we don't get Bedard, than all bets are off. I'd want Michkov first and foremost and would probably trade that Panthers pick in a package for PLD.

It is a razor thin line....but I like where we are going. I just wouldn't want a situation where we are so strong at forward, but a dumpster fire on D.

 

[Habs Halifax]

While the RD depth is bad, if the Jets are ready to trade Dubois for FLA 1st + Mailloux, I would do that trade any time. Add Dvorak for a roster player center too if you want, it's totally worth it.

I'm not sure if there will be a NHL contract going in the trade. I also don't think we will have plans at putting Dach at 3C with thin center depth. Look at the depth issues we have at center this year? I called this out well before this season started. It's best to play Dach on Suzuki/Caufield's line or with Dubois as a puck possession winger and he's available to play center in case of injuries.

Dvorak will stay and at 3C, we shouldn't' really be complaining about either. The NHL contract might be Eddy or Hoffman and maybe, there is no NHL contract going the other way. Jets may consider Gurianov but at this stage, Habs will push for trade value in that cause cause he is trending well.

If Dvorak goes in the Dubois package, we should be signing Monahan to a low base AAV with performance factored in.

It's very possible the Jets and Habs are considering several packages as we speak and the Jets are evaluating them all. It's not a secrete and both the Jets management and players know Dubois's intentions. Dubois has shown that he is committed to his RFA 1 year contract so they will do what they do in the playoffs but their GM will review options well in advance. Why not? They get to see what Beck and Mailloux can do now vs waiting this summer and not able to watch any games?

I was thinking about the PLD situation a little, and I have come to the conclusion that it is completely dependent on whether we get Bedard. If we somehow win the Bedard sweepstakes, I would look to keep whatever we would trade for PLD (presumably the Panthers 1st) and the cap space needed for him for even more depth at D.

With Bedard, I feel our top 6 is extremely strong, and we would not want to become too top heavy (a la Edmonton)

Bedard
Suzuki
Caufield
Dach
Slaf
and our 6th spot in the top 6 could be any one of Beck, Farrell, Anderson, etc.

I would aim squarely at a D man with the Panthers pick (Reinbacher, ASP, etc.)

If our cap space can handle it, I would rather (if we have Bedard) aim at future UFA d men (like Theodore in 2025).

If we don't get Bedard, than all bets are off. I'd want Michkov first and foremost and would probably trade that Panthers pick in a package for PLD.

It is a razor thin line....but I like where we are going. I just wouldn't want a situation where we are so strong at forward, but a dumpster fire on D.

1) Habs win the draft lottery (one of Bedard or Fantilli). If not, they take Michkov if he slips or Smith if Michkov don't slip.

2) Habs retain the Panthers pick and the package for Dubois is Beck and Mailloux.

3) Habs draft Reinbacher with the Panthers pick.

What's more value to you? Mailloux or Reinbacher?

 

[Benstheman]

Winnipeg have no reason to trade PLD at friendly price to the Habs this summer.

They can keep him to try on last time with PLD/Helleybuck/Schiefele and trade them at a high price at the TDL if they are not competitive

Maybe it will depend on how they finish this season first, but i wouldn't be surprised if they decide to start selling this summer. They are not guaranteed to make the playoffs and they do not play well right now.

PLD don't want to sign long term with them. Heard the same about Schiefele and Wheeler. And if that's the case, i wouldn't be surprised to see Helleybuyck say's f*** it, i'm going to. So a lot of moving parts.

If you trade those guys during the summer, you still can get somewhat of replacement roster players if you don't want to blow it all completely. AT TDL, it's more difficult to do that.

As far as the Habs-PLD situation is concerned, i agree they don't have to sell him cheaper than what they could get at the next TDL. But there is a thing to consider if they wait to trade him : injuries. If PLD gets injured before TDL, they are f***ed and they get nothing. And that risk has a value in itself.

I personally think PLD will be traded to Habs this summer and they will get a fairish package in return.

 

[Vachon23]

Maybe it will depend on how they finish this season first, but i wouldn't be surprised if they decide to start selling this summer. They are not guaranteed to make the playoffs and they do not play well right now.

PLD don't want to sign long term with them. Heard the same about Schiefele and Wheeler. And if that's the case, i wouldn't be surprised to see Helleybuyck say's f*** it, i'm going to. So a lot of moving parts.

If you trade those guys during the summer, you still can get somewhat of replacement roster players if you don't want to blow it all completely. AT TDL, it's more difficult to do that.

As far as the Habs-PLD situation is concerned, i agree they don't have to sell him cheaper than what they could get at the next TDL. But there is a thing to consider if they wait to trade him : injuries. If PLD gets injured before TDL, they are f***ed and they get nothing. And that risk has a value in itself.

I personally think PLD will be traded to Habs this summer and they will get a fairish package in return.

If they get the package they want for him this summer they will do it but the point was more that they don’t need to sell him cheap to the Habs

 

[Habs Halifax]

If they get the package they want for him this summer they will do it but the point was more that they don’t need to sell him cheap to the Habs

What's cheap to the Habs to you?