HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #84: Off-Season edition

[Sorinth]

That's interesting cause I just got back from lunch and I was wondering... what if our offer is Dvorak and Mailloux with a small add.. maybe Kapanen (center prospect.. B type).

It's very possible that we acquire without the Panthers 1st.

It all depends on how the Jets see some of our guys. Do they see Mailloux as a future top pairing guy or do they see a PP specialist who will always be an adventure in his own zone. Do they see Dvorak as a middle 6 center who can help with Perfetti's transition to 2nd line C, or do they see him as another Lowry. Maybe they think what they really need is some SC winning experience and will actually value Edmundson or Savard more then we might think. It's hard to say what Winnipeg's GM is thinking.

 

[ReHabs]

I saw an article about Mattias Ekholm I think on Sportsnet that said what I posted. I can only go by what the writer in Canada posted. I don't pretend to know this law.

It was written by none other than Eric Engels but it raises more questions than it resolves. I took a look at the interpretation of the law and it has a measly penalty of 10,000 CAD. I think hockey players can make do.

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

And in a couple of months you wouldn’t either.

i promise you in a couple months ill still take Lafreniere over Farrell and i like Sean,people forget Laffy is only 20 years old ( Farrell 21 ) kid is just stuck behind NYR depth at LW

 

[WeThreeKings]

The Habs aren't paying the Florida 1st and Mailloux for Dubois. I don't know why everyone ignores precedent..

There's the Trouba deal.
And now you have the Meier deal.

None of those packages included a mid round 1st and a top prospect.

i promise you in a couple months ill still take Lafreniere over Farrell and i actually like Sean,people forget Laffy is only 20 years old ( Farrell 21 ) kid is just stuck behind NYR depth at LW

Laf had plenty of chances before the LW got deeper.. he just doesn't have an identity at the NHL level.

 

[Habs Halifax]

It all depends on how the Jets see some of our guys. Do they see Mailloux as a future top pairing guy or do they see a PP specialist who will always be an adventure in his own zone. Do they see Dvorak as a middle 6 center who can help with Perfetti's transition to 2nd line C, or do they see him as another Lowry. Maybe they think what they really need is some SC winning experience and will actually value Edmundson or Savard more then we might think. It's hard to say what Winnipeg's GM is thinking.

If they trade Dubois, I do wonder about their plans of finding a NHL center? Dvorak with his cap hit vs whoever they can get as a UFA this summer? Even someone like Eller might cost them a Dvorak type contract and he's older.

I don't expect them to take Dvorak but won't be surprised either.

Not sure how high they are on Mailloux but lets face it, the guy has very good potential and his a big RD that skates well and has a very good shot. Of course they would like him just like we would. Their fans won't admit to that though but if a trade like that happened, they quicky change their tune.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Good to hear because it is already difficult to attract top line players to Canada.
Canadian teams carry the league and the league treats them like crap.
Quebec would easily support a team!

Yeah, but players cry about everything now.

Players don't want the cold, they don't want to back check and they don't want to be held accountable for sucking.

This is part of the reason why I'm on the side of trading for PLD if the Jets want to part ways with him for whatever reason, rather than not reciprocate that want and maybe he decides to go somewhere else, or something changes.

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

Laf had plenty of chances before the LW got deeper.. he just doesn't have an identity at the NHL level.

at 18/19 years old not many people look good look at our recent 1st overall pick i didnt forget how dominant he was in the CHL and World Juniors hes still a 20 years old kid and hes been getting better i do not believe that Farrell will become a better hockey player then him but hey if he does better for us

 

[Scriptor]

While the RD depth is bad, if the Jets are ready to trade Dubois for FLA 1st + Mailloux, I would do that trade any time. Add Dvorak for a roster player center too if you want, it's totally worth it.

I would not trade Mailloux.

The FLA 1st and beck may be considered futures by some and that would seem different than what WIN is looking for, but WIN can also use the 1st and Wheeler as a trade package to a contender to get a young C back?

Keep in mind that quality assets are quality assets and that the dealing doesn't stop once the trade is made for Dubois.

 

[WeThreeKings]

I would not trade Mailloux.

The FLA 1st and beck may be considered futures by some and that would seem different than what WIN is looking for, but WIN can also use the 1st and Wheeler as a trade package to a contender to get a young C back?

Keep in mind that quality assets are quality assets and that the dealing doesn't stop once the trade is made for Dubois.

The Habs won't be moving Beck or Mailloux in a deal containing a 1st. They might move them in lieu of a first, but no, the Habs aren't in the business of paying more than anyone else has ever done in this situation.

 

[Habs Halifax]

The Habs won't be moving Beck or Mailloux in a deal containing a 1st. They might move them in lieu of a first, but no, the Habs aren't in the business of paying more than anyone else has ever done in this situation.

Neither Beck or Mailloux are top prospects. Maybe Mailloux based on what he is dong on D this year but both are B+ types. I do agree that a 1st and one of them might be overpayment but it is a full season vs just a deadline rental.

I trust Gorton/Hughes will manage their leverage well

I do like the Mailloux, Dvorak, and B prospect offer though (Kapanen type).

 

[waitin425]

I'm not sure if there will be a NHL contract going in the trade. I also don't think we will have plans at putting Dach at 3C with thin center depth. Look at the depth issues we have at center this year? I called this out well before this season started. It's best to play Dach on Suzuki/Caufield's line or with Dubois as a puck possession winger and he's available to play center in case of injuries.

Dvorak will stay and at 3C, we shouldn't' really be complaining about either. The NHL contract might be Eddy or Hoffman and maybe, there is no NHL contract going the other way. Jets may consider Gurianov but at this stage, Habs will push for trade value in that cause cause he is trending well.

If Dvorak goes in the Dubois package, we should be signing Monahan to a low base AAV with performance factored in.

It's very possible the Jets and Habs are considering several packages as we speak and the Jets are evaluating them all. It's not a secrete and both the Jets management and players know Dubois's intentions. Dubois has shown that he is committed to his RFA 1 year contract so they will do what they do in the playoffs but their GM will review options well in advance. Why not? They get to see what Beck and Mailloux can do now vs waiting this summer and not able to watch any games?



1) Habs win the draft lottery (one of Bedard or Fantilli). If not, they take Michkov if he slips or Smith if Michkov don't slip.

2) Habs retain the Panthers pick and the package for Dubois is Beck and Mailloux.

3) Habs draft Reinbacher with the Panthers pick.

What's more value to you? Mailloux or Reinbacher?

I don't know enough of Reinbacher to compare him to Mailloux. Ideally I would love to add Any one of the top picks to our current crop of D including Logan

 

[SlafySZN]

at 18/19 years old not many people look good look at our recent 1st overall pick i didnt forget how dominant he was in the CHL and World Juniors hes still a 20 years old kid and hes been getting better i do not believe that Farrell will become a better hockey player then him but hey if he does better for us

What consist of Lafreniere being a better hockey player than Farrell?

He’s not better defensively than him or better at any kind of details either.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I don't know enough of Reinbacher to compare him to Mailloux. Ideally I would love to add Any one of the top picks to our current crop of D including Logan

Reinbacher's name has been brought up a fair amount on our boards over the last few weeks. He's ranked 20th on Bob's January rankings. Some think he will move down to top 10 but I think that is reaching.

If the Panthers pick is not traded, he's someone we will consider. However, I do see some teams looking at taking a D in the 10-15 range.

 

[HomaridII]

Reinbacher's name has been brought up a fair amount on our boards over the last few weeks. He's ranked 20th on Bob's January rankings. Some think he will move down to top 10 but I think that is reaching.

If the Panthers pick is not traded, he's someone we will consider. However, I do see some teams looking at taking a D in the 10-15 range.

If he is still there why not take Gulyayev with the Panthers pick?

 

[Habs Halifax]

What consist of Lafreniere being a better hockey player than Farrell?

He’s not better defensively than him or better at any kind of details either.

We will only know this once Farrell turns pro and he will so we will get to see some NHL games from him. So if that trade is ever something that develops, it's draft day or later so at that time, we will have a little sample size from Farrell as a pro.

Do I think that trade is possible? NO

 

[WeThreeKings]

If he is still there why not take Gulyayev with the Panthers pick?

Because we don't need another skilled LHD, especially one with the Russian factor.

We have so many other areas to address.

 

[SlafySZN]

We will only know this once Farrell turns pro and he will so we will get to see some NHL games from him. So if that trade is ever something that develops, it's draft day or later so at that time, we will have a little sample size from Farrell as a pro.

The habs are not moving Farrell.

Neither Mailloux.

 

[WeThreeKings]

I don't know enough of Reinbacher to compare him to Mailloux. Ideally I would love to add Any one of the top picks to our current crop of D including Logan

The only comparable is that they are both good skaters for their size and have bombs for shots.

Reinbacher is more of a Weber.. while Mailloux is more of a Burns.

 

[Habs Halifax]

If he is still there why not take Gulyayev with the Panthers pick?

I pass on undersized D men. Only room for so many and we already have Harris and Hutson. If I'm going to be very picky (Cup contender picky), I have room for Hutson and that's it. The other guys are in the mold of Guhle, Xhekaj, Barron, Mailloux types.

I hope you don't think size don't matter anymore? It does and the ones who are undersized, need to really turn the offensive needle.

The habs are not moving Farrell.

Neither Mailloux.

I doubt we move Farrell but my point was we need to see how he looks when he turns pro. Saying Farrell is better than Lafreniere in any area before he turns pro is premature

Mailloux? Rather not trade him and prefer to move Beck instead but it depends on several factors. Mailloux, Dvorak, and a B prospect (Kapanen) is a deal I would consider for Dubois. Not like I'm drooling over making that move but it's something to consider. Yes, I know, the RD depth is thin

 

[Leon Lucius Black]

The Habs aren't paying the Florida 1st and Mailloux for Dubois. I don't know why everyone ignores precedent..

There's the Trouba deal.
And now you have the Meier deal.

None of those packages included a mid round 1st and a top prospect.

Agreed, also Fiala put up 85 points last year and only went for the 19th pick and a mediocre prospect since teams knew Minnesota couldn't re-sign him.

Winnipeg could either get a decent package earlier this off-season, or they can play hardball and have Dubois potentially hold out on signing or sign a year deal then leave as a UFA next year.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Agreed, also Fiala put up 85 points last year and only went for the 19th pick and a mediocre prospect since teams knew Minnesota couldn't re-sign him.

Winnipeg could either get a decent package earlier this off-season, or they can play hardball and have Dubois potentially hold out on signing or sign a year deal then leave as a UFA next year.

Florida or Calgary 1st and Dvorak is about the best they are getting from me.. if they want Kovacevic back, or a Ylonen, sure.. but I'm not dipping into any of my center prospects (Beck, Kidney) due to a shallow pool.. and I'm not giving away A prospects like Roy, Mailloux, Hutson, Farrell etc.

If Meier, with many more bidders didn't get that.. Dubois isn't if he controls his destiny in where he will sign long term. It's a similar package to what Trouba got and it was the same situation.

 

[SlafySZN]

I pass on undersized D men. Only room for so many and we already have Harris and Hutson. If I'm going to be very picky (Cup contender picky), I have room for Hutson and that's it. The other guys are in the mold of Guhle, Xhekaj, Barron, Mailloux types.

I hope you don't think size don't matter anymore? It does and the ones who are undersized, need to really turn the offensive needle.



I doubt we move Farrell but my point was we need to see how he looks when he turns pro. Saying Farrell is better than Lafreniere in any area before he turns pro is premature

Mailloux? Rather not trade him and prefer to move Beck instead but it depends on several factors. Mailloux, Dvorak, and a B prospect (Kapanen) is a deal I would consider for Dubois. Not like I'm drooling over making that move but it's something to consider. Yes, I know, the RD depth is thin

I wouldn’t make any deal for Dubois.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I wouldn’t make any deal for Dubois.

Lets see if Gorton/Hughes agree with you. You going to turn on them if they do?

 

[habsfan891]

Florida or Calgary 1st and Dvorak is about the best they are getting from me.. if they want Kovacevic back, or a Ylonen, sure.. but I'm not dipping into any of my center prospects (Beck, Kidney) due to a shallow pool.. and I'm not giving away A prospects like Roy, Mailloux, Hutson, Farrell etc.

If Meier, with many more bidders didn't get that.. Dubois isn't if he controls his destiny in where he will sign long term. It's a similar package to what Trouba got and it was the same situation.

Yea I agree completely on your max price if they try to play hardball let them rot and lose him for nothing at the end of the year we have zero reason to help them out of that situation

 

[Captain Mountain]

You're misinterpreting that law. It would have zero impact on UFA signings.

It was written by none other than Eric Engels but it raises more questions than it resolves. I took a look at the interpretation of the law and it has a measly penalty of 10,000 CAD. I think hockey players can make do.

Honestly, it deems like you're misinterpreting the law as it will absolutely impact UFA signings.

For one, the penalty doesn't just apply to the non-resident purchaser/player, but also "every person or entity that counsels, induces, aids or abets or attempts to counsel, induce, aid or abet a non-Canadian to purchase, directly or indirectly, any residential property knowing that the non-Canadian is prohibited under [the ban] from purchasing the residential property". All may be fined. That's particularly a concern for player agents, real estate agents or real estate lawyers, which would make purchasing very difficult. The other concern is that the property may be ordered to be sold. And there will be expenses for dealing with all of that. And that's a headache for just 7 of 32 teams, many players would just sign with one of the other 25 teams instead to not have to deal with the issue.

Its not the end of the world, since there are a ton of free agents with Canadian citizenship or have been playing in Canada for long enough to be exempt, and renting is always an option, but there's zero chance that there will be zero impact.