HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #84: Off-Season edition

[Scriptor]

Agreed.

Personally I don't see the need to trade for him at all, but as long as its lower end assets I wont care too much.

With the depth they have already, and whoever they get with their 1st pick, im not so sure they need PLD and his 9+ cap hit anyways....

I disagree. PLD is in the right age bracket to be a long term cornerstone of this franchise and he can only serve to better surround and help develop younger players that are either already on the Montreal roster, or will join the team over the coming years.

Quality players surrounded by quality players with more experience develop better over the long run.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Habs should go after Knight. Carey Price can mentor him. Been through the same things.

What the Habs should do is draft our goalie and we can add that piece as one of the last pieces like Tampa did.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Don't trade a good D prospect for a middling centreman The Chelios trade was a disaster. No way Mailloux should be in this trade. I will be really pissed if Hugo does this.

I agree that we should hold onto Mailloux but I don't agree Dubois is a middling center. Dubois is not Savard or Drouin.

Was I happy that we traded Romanov? No, but we got Dach. I'd refuse to have Mailloux on the table for the Dubois package but would I complain a lot if it was a Dvorak, Mailloux, Kapanen type trade? No but it would make me wonder what kind of D man Mailloux ends up and also what D we could get with the Panthers pick cause it would not be in the Dubois package.

My favorite offer is Panthers 1st, Beck, and Eddy. I have other packages as well but that's one I would start with.

Remember how high we were on Brook? Someone with great size and a very good age 19 season who also skated very well? 75 pts with 16 goals in 59 games? I have higher hopes with Mailloux but I don't think Mailloux is a top prospect. More like a B+ trending very well. Lets relax and ponder about what Mailloux has done in his age 19 season where it trumps what Brook did in his age 19 season? Anybody have good and fair context into this without it being a screaming type discussion?

 

[Scriptor]

Don't trade a good D prospect for a middling centreman The Chelios trade was a disaster. No way Mailloux should be in this trade. I will be really pissed if Hugo does this.

You manage to get me to agree and disagree at the same time with just one post -- that's amazing!

One: I, too, would discourage adding Mailloux to a trade proposal in order to acquire Dubois.
Two: I absolutely disagree that Dubois is just a middling C.

However, I see too much potential in Mailloux as a hockey player to risk losing that RHD.

I agree that we should hold onto Mailloux but I don't agree Dubois is a middling center. Dubois is not Savard or Drouin.

Was I happy that we traded Romanov? No, but we got Dach. I'd refuse to have Mailloux on the table for the Dubois package but would I complain a lot if it was a Dvorak, Mailloux, Kapanen type trade? No but it would make me wonder what kind of D man Mailloux ends up and also what D we could get with the Panthers pick cause it would not be in the Dubois package.

My favorite offer is Panthers 1st, Beck, and Eddy. I have other packages as well but that's one I would start with.

That is a better offer than Panthers 1st + Beck + Harris as I assumed would be needed to get Dubois back in a trade. I'd fully endorse that package.

 

[hardcorehabs]

You manage to get me to agree and disagree at the same time with just one post -- that's amazing!

One: I, too, would discourage adding Mailloux to a trade proposal in order to acquire Dubois.
Two: I absolutely disagree that Dubois is just a middling C.

However, I see too much potential in Mailloux as a hockey player to risk losing that RHD.


That is a better offer than Panthers 1st + Beck + Harris as I assumed would be needed to get Dubois back in a trade. I'd fully endorse that package.

Not a chance I’d include Beck. f*** that

We can wait a year and get him for free. Winnipeg better get bent over in this trade

 

[Habs Halifax]

That is a better offer than Panthers 1st + Beck + Harris as I assumed would be needed to get Dubois back in a trade. I'd fully endorse that package.

That trade idea works too. Jets fans will say they don't need LD's but Harris has played a fair amount of RD.

Not like I like this idea but is there some value in evaluating the difference between Brook and Mailloux for their age 19 seasons? Remember how high we were on Brook? He had just as an impressive season as Mailloux is having this year. So I'm not jumping in joy but I would not automatically be appose to a Dvorak, Mailloux, Kapanen type package either.

Not a chance I’d include Beck. f*** that

We can wait a year and get him for free. Winnipeg better get bent over in this trade

Why not? Center depth would be very good after the trade.

Suzuki
Dubois
Dach
One of (Bedard, Fantilli, Smith)
Kidney
Kapanen

Brook is like Poehling bud. We are guilty of getting emotionally attached to who they might be. Brook is not going to be a top 2C. More like a good 3C at best.

I'm pretty sure if someone proposed a Romanov for Dach trade, they would have hated the idea of trading Romanov and would have said, no... we keep Romanov and try to trade other parts to get Dach.

 

[bsl]

What the Habs should do is draft our goalie and we can add that piece as one of the last pieces like Tampa did.

Too late. Goalies take forever to develop.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Too late. Goalies take forever to develop.

We are not contending in 3 years or less. The next 3-5 years are more rebuild/transition years. Even if we add Dubois and one of Bedard/Fantilli, we are still going to take several years to become a contender.

 

[Sterling Archer]

I wonder what people think of Pierre Luc Dubois, if the Habs would be interested in trading for him and what that might look like. Haven't seen anything about it in this thread yet

 

[Scriptor]

Center depth is deep if you add Dubois so you can live without Beck:
* Suzuki
* Dubois
* Dach
* Possible we have one of Bedard or Fantilli and if not, Smith.
* Kidney
* Kapanen

RD Depth is a completely different story so you can't blame any fan for not wanting to trade either of Barron or Mailloux.

Meier is a bad example due to his large salary/leverage in arbitration. Trouba or Horvat are better examples but your point remains valid. We are not going higher than that.

Personally, I rather trade the Panthers 1st than Mailloux. Jets can try to demand whatever they want, that don't factor in cause their leverage is very little.

However, if I was able to move Dvorak in a Mailloux/Kapanen package, I'd consider it. Then I sign Monahan on a one year low AAV with performance base contract that max out at Dvorak's cap hit if he reaches it. And then I try to get Reinbacher with the Panthers pick.

Even if the C depth ends up being Suzuki - Dubois - Dach - Dvorsky - Kidney - Evans - Kapanen, meaning we didn't land any of Bedard, Fantilli, Carlsson, Smith ou Benson, we are still sitting pretty and can let Dach play as a top-6, puck-possession winger, C-depth replacement in case of injury, while Dvorak adds protection in case the rookie C that graduates early to the NHL level doesn't quite cut it. I alsomlike the protection for Evans as a 4th line C because Evans is often injured.

Caufield - Suzuki - Dach
Farrell - Dubois - Anderson/Gurianov
Slafkovsky - Dvorsky - Gurianov/Anderson
Harvey-Pinard - Dvorak - Heineman
Gallagher, Hoffman, Armia, Evans

Laval: Roy, Mesar, Kidney

With the amount of ELCs and cheaper contracts, we can afford this forward depth in the lineup. The bolded are cheap, or relatively cheap, the italicized are expensive and the regular font are middling contracts that aren't overly expensive, other than for value on the dollar in terms of overall production, maybe.

Guhle - Savard
Matheson - Barron
Xhekaj - Harris/Kovacevic
Kovacevic

Laval: Mailloux, Trudeau, Struble

 

[Habs Halifax]

Even if the C depth ends up being Suzuki - Dubois - Dach - Dvorsky - Kidney - Evans - Kapanen, meaning we didn't land any of Bedard, Fantilli, Carlsson, Smith ou Benson, we are still sitting pretty and can let Dach play as a top-6, puck-possession winger, C-depth replacement in case of injury, while Dvorak adds protection in case the rookie C that graduates early to the NHL level doesn't quite cut it. I alsomlike the protection for Evans as a 4th line C because Evans is often injured.

Caufield - Suzuki - Dach
Farrell - Dubois - Anderson/Gurianov
Slafkovsky - Dvorsky - Gurianov/Anderson
Harvey-Pinard - Dvorak - Heineman
Gallagher, Hoffman, Armia, Evans

Laval: Roy, Mesar, Kidney

With the amount of ELCs and cheaper contracts, we can afford this forward depth in the lineup. The bolded are cheap, or relatively cheap, the italicized are expensive and the regular font are middling contracts that aren't overly expensive, other than for value on the dollar in terms of overall production, maybe.

Guhle - Savard
Matheson - Barron
Xhekaj - Harris/Kovacevic
Kovacevic

Laval: Mailloux, Trudeau, Struble

Agreed. Saying no to trading Beck is similar to saying no to trading Poehling+ for ROR. I love that we have Beck in our pool but it's not probable he turns into a top 2C.

Also, saying no to trading Mailloux is like saying we can get Dach without using Romaonv and trying other parts that probably don't work.

I love our prospect pool but part of the reason to building a strong pool is to monitor their development and also have the ability to add a sure shot top 2C hit in Dubois when the circumstance presents itself.

I'm open to several packages. Players like Hutson, Farrell, and Roy are keepers IMO. Performing well against men and in international play. Beck and Mailloux are not grade A prospects. They are B+ types. Mailloux is similar to Barron and Beck is similar to Poehling

 

[BaseballCoach]

Don't trade a good D prospect for a middling centreman The Chelios trade was a disaster. No way Mailloux should be in this trade. I will be really pissed if Hugo does this.

Cheese is Price. Savard was a 29 year old forward, small, slowing down and smoked like a chimney.

Chelios was a 28 yo D-man, a Norris winner and strong defensively as well as offensively.

Mailloux is not even the best D in the OHL, and is one-dimensional, while Dubois is still 24.

Let's put it another way, if the Habs could trade Mailloux for Suzuki, would you support that? Dubois is more productive than Suzuki, as well as bigger and faster. Only one year older than Nick. If yes to Suzuki, then double yes for Dubois.

 

[Scriptor]

I agree that we should hold onto Mailloux but I don't agree Dubois is a middling center. Dubois is not Savard or Drouin.

Was I happy that we traded Romanov? No, but we got Dach. I'd refuse to have Mailloux on the table for the Dubois package but would I complain a lot if it was a Dvorak, Mailloux, Kapanen type trade? No but it would make me wonder what kind of D man Mailloux ends up and also what D we could get with the Panthers pick cause it would not be in the Dubois package.

My favorite offer is Panthers 1st, Beck, and Eddy. I have other packages as well but that's one I would start with.

Remember how high we were on Brook? Someone with great size and a very good age 19 season who also skated very well? 75 pts with 16 goals in 59 games? I have higher hopes with Mailloux but I don't think Mailloux is a top prospect. More like a B+ trending very well. Lets relax and ponder about what Mailloux has done in his age 19 season where it trumps what Brook did in his age 19 season? Anybody have good and fair context into this without it being a screaming type discussion?

Anybody have good and fair context

Keep in mind that Mailloux has played very few OHL games for the production and the quick improvement in different aspects of his game.

Mailloux is a different type of player than Brook. I liked Brook as a prospect, but didn't have any spider sense tingling about him the way I do about Mailloux who, BTW, has a cartoon face...

 

[Habs Halifax]

Anybody have good and fair context

Keep in mind that Mailloux has played very few OHL games for the production and the quick improvement in different aspects of his game.

Mailloux is a different type of player than Brook. I liked Brook as a prospect, but didn't have any spider sense tingling about him the way I do about Mailloux who, BTW, has a cartoon face...

Of course I like Mailloux's potential over Brook but I just wonder how much more I like him. I see Mailloux and Barron as similar types.

I get it, we are worried that if we trade Mailloux, he turns into another Sergachev.

 

[hardcorehabs]

Agreed. Saying no to trading Beck is similar to saying no to trading Poehling+ for ROR. I love that we have Beck in our pool but it's not probable he turns into a top 2C.

BIG difference is that PLD wants to sign here and is UFA in 1 year………

Again, WPG better get absolutely crushed in a trade otherwise, let’s wait a year. We don’t need PLD next year anyway

 

[FerrisRox]

If he is still there why not take Gulyayev with the Panthers pick?

I don't see why they would want to use a pick like that on yet another left handed D, particular when you add in the wildcard of the player being Russian.

I think that would be a waste of that draft pick.

 

[BaseballCoach]

Of course I like Mailloux's potential over Brook but I just wonder how much more I like him. I see Mailloux and Barron as similar types.

I get it, we are worried that if we trade Mailloux, he turns into another Sergachev.

Sergachev was a 9OA, not a 31OA. Sergachev could defend, Mailloux not so much.

Dubois is a far more proven player than Drouin was when we got him.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

BIG difference is that PLD wants to sign here and is UFA in 1 year………

Again, WPG better get absolutely crushed in a trade otherwise, let’s wait a year. We don’t need PLD next year anyway

Again, this is Montreal and usually people only want to come here when there's nowhere else to go because they're not that good.

It's better to acquire him and get ready to take steps, than hope he comes here as a ufa.

As a ufa a team might call him up and be like "hey, we'll give you 11 mill a year. "

Habs over here offering 8.

Let's say the team that does has a better tax situation, so the Habs have to match 11, or possibly go more.

The Habs don't have to trade a boat load, but you can't wait another year and hope that desire is still there.

 

[FerrisRox]

Lets see if Gorton/Hughes agree with you. You going to turn on them if they do?

If Hughes trades one of this year's first round picks for Dubois I will absolutely lose faith in him as the architect of this rebuild.

There's no reason, at all, to be giving up future assets to acquire Dubois. It would be a stupid move strategically.

The good news is, I don't think Hughes is dumb enough to do it. There's no evidence that I've seen so far that he's a dim-wit, so I can't imagine him giving up a pick and a prospect to acquire a player one year away from free agency during a rebuild. It would take a moron to make this move.

 

[FerrisRox]

Again, this is Montreal and usually people only want to come here when there's nowhere else to go because they're not that good.

It's better to acquire him and get ready to take steps, than hope he comes here as a ufa.

As a ufa a team might call him up and be like "hey, we'll give you 11 mill a year. "

Habs over here offering 8.

Let's say the team that does has a better tax situation, so the Habs have to match 11, or possibly go more.

The Habs don't have to trade a boat load, but you can't wait another year and hope that desire is still there.

No, but you can wait another year and see what happens, and if he chooses not to sign here, so be it.

I think it's kind of silly to suggest that trading for him a year earlier somehow makes him more likely to then sign a long term deal here. Either he wants to play in Montreal or he doesn't. He's not going to come here via trade and then decide free agency doesn't matter, unless thats where he wanted to be all along, and if it's where he wants to be all along, then take him for free. It is, after all, called Free Agency. This sees like a not-so-clever ay to pay an absolute premium instead. It's stupid.

I wouldn't go after Hart.. I don't think he's the chosen few who will overcome his size in net.

Better to invest in this draft.

Carter Hart is 6'2. What is there to overcome with his size?

 

[Scriptor]

Agreed. Saying no to trading Beck is similar to saying no to trading Poehling+ for ROR. I love that we have Beck in our pool but it's not probable he turns into a top 2C.

Also, saying no to trading Mailloux is like saying we can get Dach without using Romaonv and trying other parts that probably don't work.

I love our prospect pool but part of the reason to building a strong pool is to monitor their development and also have the ability to add a sure shot top 2C hit in Dubois when the circumstance presents itself.

I'm open to several packages. Players like Hutson, Farrell, and Roy are keepers IMO. Performing well against men and in international play. Beck and Mailloux are not grade A prospects. They are B+ types. Mailloux is similar to Barron and Beck is similar to Poehling

I value Mailloux over Barron because, although both have good shots and are decent playmakers, Mailloux is more physical than Barron and, IMO, a superior skater. Plus, Mailloux has a mean streak that Barron lacks.

I'm liking how Barron is developing, but I'd really need to see that Mailloux is a bust before sacrificing him in a trade package. The boom potential is just too high, IMO.

I wonder what people think of Pierre Luc Dubois, if the Habs would be interested in trading for him and what that might look like. Haven't seen anything about it in this thread yet

I wonder what people think of snarky posters, how stupid they sound and just how risible they are? Maybe we should address that in this thread?

 

[SlafySZN]

If Hughes trades one of this year's first round picks for Dubois I will absolutely lose faith in him as the architect of this rebuild.

There's no reason, at all, to be giving up future assets to acquire Dubois. It would be a stupid move strategically.

The good news is, I don't think Hughes is dumb enough to do it. There's no evidence that I've seen so far that he's a dim-wit, so I can't imagine him giving up a pick and a prospect to acquire a player one year away from free agency during a rebuild. It would take a moron to make this move.

Yeah, if he does it we will know it’s not a rebuild. And i’ll be ready for the team to be mid forever because they wouldn’t take the time to do things properly.

They have a great, great chance to take their time to do things the right way.

 

[Team_Spirit]

I wonder what people think of Pierre Luc Dubois, if the Habs would be interested in trading for him and what that might look like. Haven't seen anything about it in this thread yet

 

[Scriptor]

Of course I like Mailloux's potential over Brook but I just wonder how much more I like him. I see Mailloux and Barron as similar types.

I get it, we are worried that if we trade Mailloux, he turns into another Sergachev.

Sure, but I also think that Mailloux might well be superior too Barron who, at 6'2", 201 lbs, does not play physical hockey any more than does Harris, at 5'11, 189 lbs.

If the hockey skills are comparable, I'll take Mailloux and his cartoon face at 6'3", 217 lbs, with a more physical age and a mean streak over Barron. That does not mean I would not have Barron in the lineup as well, but, if I had to choose...

 

[Adam Michaels]

I wonder what people think of Pierre Luc Dubois, if the Habs would be interested in trading for him and what that might look like. Haven't seen anything about it in this thread yet

You're coming out of left field mentioning PLD. Would never think to see his name mentioned in here.