HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #84: Off-Season edition

[Habs Halifax]

Florida or Calgary 1st and Dvorak is about the best they are getting from me.. if they want Kovacevic back, or a Ylonen, sure.. but I'm not dipping into any of my center prospects (Beck, Kidney) due to a shallow pool.. and I'm not giving away A prospects like Roy, Mailloux, Hutson, Farrell etc.

If Meier, with many more bidders didn't get that.. Dubois isn't if he controls his destiny in where he will sign long term. It's a similar package to what Trouba got and it was the same situation.

Center depth is deep if you add Dubois so you can live without Beck:
* Suzuki
* Dubois
* Dach
* Possible we have one of Bedard or Fantilli and if not, Smith.
* Kidney
* Kapanen

RD Depth is a completely different story so you can't blame any fan for not wanting to trade either of Barron or Mailloux.

Meier is a bad example due to his large salary/leverage in arbitration. Trouba or Horvat are better examples but your point remains valid. We are not going higher than that.

Personally, I rather trade the Panthers 1st than Mailloux. Jets can try to demand whatever they want, that don't factor in cause their leverage is very little.

However, if I was able to move Dvorak in a Mailloux/Kapanen package, I'd consider it. Then I sign Monahan on a one year low AAV with performance base contract that max out at Dvorak's cap hit if he reaches it. And then I try to get Reinbacher with the Panthers pick.

 

[Captain Mountain]

The Habs aren't paying the Florida 1st and Mailloux for Dubois. I don't know why everyone ignores precedent..

There's the Trouba deal.
And now you have the Meier deal.

None of those packages included a mid round 1st and a top prospect.



Laf had plenty of chances before the LW got deeper.. he just doesn't have an identity at the NHL level.

Is Mailloux really a top prospect?

And there's also the Horvat deal as a comparable. Something like the Florida 1st, a Raty-level prospect and guy like Dvorak or Hoffman feels like the market rate, maybe Montreal can pay less if Dubois wont sign long term with another team (or at least wont sign without getting an offer from the Habs in free agency).

Agreed, also Fiala put up 85 points last year and only went for the 19th pick and a mediocre prospect since teams knew Minnesota couldn't re-sign him.

Winnipeg could either get a decent package earlier this off-season, or they can play hardball and have Dubois potentially hold out on signing or sign a year deal then leave as a UFA next year.

Faber wasn't/isn't a mediocre prospect. He likely wasn't going to sign in LA, but he had a lot of value.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Is Mailloux really a top prospect?

And there's also the Horvat deal as a comparable. Something like the Florida 1st, a Raty-level prospect and guy like Dvorak or Hoffman feels like the market rate, maybe Montreal can pay less if Dubois wont sign long term with another team (or at least wont sign without getting an offer from the Habs in free agency).

Agreed. We all like Mailloux and Beck but neither are top prospects. Leafs would consider Knies a top prospect but he's not one either. These are B+ types trending very well.

Also agree. Trouba or Horvat are better examples. I would say Trouba fits more cause he had a select amount of teams he would only sign with as well and Horvat was a hot trending center who was not a full season. Not many remember that Trouba had a 50 pts season on D before he was traded for Pionk and the 20th pick. That would be close to Harris and the Panthers pick.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Is Mailloux really a top prospect?

And there's also the Horvat deal as a comparable. Something like the Florida 1st, a Raty-level prospect and guy like Dvorak or Hoffman feels like the market rate, maybe Montreal can pay less if Dubois wont sign long term with another team (or at least wont sign without getting an offer from the Habs in free agency).



Faber wasn't/isn't a mediocre prospect. He likely wasn't going to sign in LA, but he had a lot of value.

Yes, a former 1st round pick who is right handed and leading the OHL in goals as a defenseman is a top prospect.

 

[donghabs98]

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Hart is interesting as he needs a change of scenery. That said, I doubt Id want to meet the price the flyers would want

 

[WeThreeKings]

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Hart is interesting as he needs a change of scenery. That said, I doubt Id want to meet the price the flyers would want

I wouldn't go after Hart.. I don't think he's the chosen few who will overcome his size in net.

Better to invest in this draft.

 

[BergevinBurner]

Yes, a former 1st round pick who is right handed and leading the OHL in goals as a defenseman is a top prospect.

Yea I'd argue that Mailloux deserves to be in a tier above prosoects like Farrell/Beck/Roy.

 

[habsfan92]

I remember when we had a defensive prospect that was really flashy, great offensive skills strong skater, but needed work on his defence. Some said he was a top prospect, others not so much. Based on that, I would say Mailloux is a top prospect. That other guy, let's just say his initial are PKS and he went on to win a Norris.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I remember when we had a defensive prospect that was really flashy, great offensive skills strong skater, but needed work on his defence. Some said he was a top prospect, others not so much. Based on that, I would say Mailloux is a top prospect. That other guy, let's just say his initial are PKS and he went on to win a Norris.

Habsfan92 from Winnipeg with a Dubas picture posting something Habsfan891 liked. Couldn't help but noticed that boys.

Anyways, I can see Mailloux being rated higher but top prospect? I guess that's a fair debate.

 

[Captain Mountain]

I remember when we had a defensive prospect that was really flashy, great offensive skills strong skater, but needed work on his defence. Some said he was a top prospect, others not so much. Based on that, I would say Mailloux is a top prospect. That other guy, let's just say his initial are PKS and he went on to win a Norris.

Well, Subban was recognized as a top prospect by the scouting and hockey community at large as well. At the same point in his career, he was captain of Belleville, assistant captain and top performer on Canada's WJC team, and was 3rd in points and 2nd in P/GP among D in the OHL.

I don't see that Mailloux is a Subban, he may be more of Beaulieu. I get not trading him, but the Subban comparison seems like a stretch.

 

[LaP]

Habsfan92 from Winnipeg with a Dubas picture posting something Habsfan891 liked. Couldn't help but noticed that boys.

Anyways, I can see Mailloux being rated higher but top prospect? I guess that's a fair debate.

One was born in 1891 and the other in 1992 no way they are related and know each other

 

[habsfan891]

One was born in 1891 and the other in 1992 no way they are related and know each other

1991 actually lmao

 

[ReHabs]

Honestly, it deems like you're misinterpreting the law as it will absolutely impact UFA signings.

For one, the penalty doesn't just apply to the non-resident purchaser/player, but also "every person or entity that counsels, induces, aids or abets or attempts to counsel, induce, aid or abet a non-Canadian to purchase, directly or indirectly, any residential property knowing that the non-Canadian is prohibited under [the ban] from purchasing the residential property". All may be fined. That's particularly a concern for player agents, real estate agents or real estate lawyers, which would make purchasing very difficult. The other concern is that the property may be ordered to be sold. And there will be expenses for dealing with all of that. And that's a headache for just 7 of 32 teams, many players would just sign with one of the other 25 teams instead to not have to deal with the issue.

Its not the end of the world, since there are a ton of free agents with Canadian citizenship or have been playing in Canada for long enough to be exempt, and renting is always an option, but there's zero chance that there will be zero impact.

Yeah, I think the text looks scary but it’ll be interpreted away easily. Not something to concern ourselves about.

Ekholm will find a solution.

It could end up as a non-viable law that isn’t prosecuted. Im sure people have already started pushing back against it. Savvy, rich person agents and lawyers have likely already found solutions.

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

What consist of Lafreniere being a better hockey player than Farrell?

He’s not better defensively than him or better at any kind of details either.

almost everything besides skating? why do u think one was drafted 1st overall and the other 124 and you cant sit here and tell me Farrell is better at anything when hes older and has yet to play in the NHL

What general manager would take Farrell over Lafreniere go post this on the main boards and you will see the reactions enough with this homer shit

 

[Scriptor]

Neither Beck or Mailloux are top prospects. Maybe Mailloux based on what he is dong on D this year but both are B+ types. I do agree that a 1st and one of them might be overpayment but it is a full season vs just a deadline rental.

I trust Gorton/Hughes will manage their leverage well

I do like the Mailloux, Dvorak, and B prospect offer though (Kapanen type).

Still not giving up Mailloux. He'll become a beast as a 2nd pairing RHD, IMO.

 

[Scriptor]

The only comparable is that they are both good skaters for their size and have bombs for shots.

Reinbacher is more of a Weber.. while Mailloux is more of a Burns.

Prefer Burns over Weber in this scenario because we already have another Weber on LD win Guhle.

Good teams can toss different looks at opponents. Mailloux over Reinbacher.

From what I hear, though, already playing against men in a decent league, Reinvacher could be ready for the NHL around the same time as Mailloux is. Why not both, then?

I wouldn’t make any deal for Dubois.

That's your problem, not HuGo's

 

[WeThreeKings]

Prefer Burns over Weber in this scenario because we already have another Weber on LD win Guhle.

Good teams can toss different looks at opponents. Mailloux over Reinbacher.

From what I hear, though, already playing against men in a decent league, Reinvacher could be ready for the NHL around the same time as Mailloux is. Why not both, then?

I'm not sure the context.. I'd be advocating for, depending on where we are drafting and who is available, getting Reinbacher because the right side is not balanced defensively.. Mailloux and Barron both would be average at best defensively.. and if you have Hutson coming in, you need someone to balance him out.

Guhle-Barron
Hutson-Reinbacher
Xhekaj-Mailloux
Harris

Is a pretty solid way to lay things out.

 

[Scriptor]

Florida or Calgary 1st and Dvorak is about the best they are getting from me.. if they want Kovacevic back, or a Ylonen, sure.. but I'm not dipping into any of my center prospects (Beck, Kidney) due to a shallow pool.. and I'm not giving away A prospects like Roy, Mailloux, Hutson, Farrell etc.

If Meier, with many more bidders didn't get that.. Dubois isn't if he controls his destiny in where he will sign long term. It's a similar package to what Trouba got and it was the same situation.

I'm more generous than you.

There's the likely ask and accepted price for Dubois from WIN and, then, there's the more hardball position with WIN (while still hoping we end up with Dubois for it).

In both cases, I include Harris.

Asked + accepted if agreed upon by MON: FLA 1st + Beck + Harris

More hardball: FLA 1st + Dvorak + Harris.

I'd prefer tome Dvorak and his salary over beck and his potential, but MON doesn't need top shed salary to acquire Dubois and Dvorak won't be here more than two years. Plus, he's veteran depth in case of injury or to keep Dach with the top-6 as a puck possession winger.

Suzuki - Dubois - Dach - Dvorak
Evans

-OR-

Suzuki - Dubois - Dvorak - Evans
Belzile

I honestly think that WIN ends up with one of those two packages and MON welcomes Dubois home.

 

[bsl]

That’s a player that HuGo will look closely, no doubt about that

Habs should go after Knight. Carey Price can mentor him. Been through the same things.

 

[sampollock]

hey wonder if PLD signs or is a trade.

here is a thing. Kent focus on getting a young goalie, then again teams don't like trading those guys away

 

[WeThreeKings]

hey wonder if PLD signs or is a trade.

here is a thing. Kent focus on getting a young goalie, then again teams don't like trading those guys away

Keep tabs on Sorokin
Take a check in on Askarov in Nashville
Take a check in on Dostal in Anaheim.

Bjarnason, Hrabal, and Fowler are better options than pretty much anything else out there, aside from Wallstedt which I know is going nowhere.

 

[General Fanager]

Florida or Calgary 1st and Dvorak is about the best they are getting from me.. if they want Kovacevic back, or a Ylonen, sure.. but I'm not dipping into any of my center prospects (Beck, Kidney) due to a shallow pool.. and I'm not giving away A prospects like Roy, Mailloux, Hutson, Farrell etc.

If Meier, with many more bidders didn't get that.. Dubois isn't if he controls his destiny in where he will sign long term. It's a similar package to what Trouba got and it was the same situation.

Agreed.

Personally I don't see the need to trade for him at all, but as long as its lower end assets I wont care too much.

With the depth they have already, and whoever they get with their 1st pick, im not so sure they need PLD and his 9+ cap hit anyways....

 

[Scriptor]

Honestly, it deems like you're misinterpreting the law as it will absolutely impact UFA signings.

For one, the penalty doesn't just apply to the non-resident purchaser/player, but also "every person or entity that counsels, induces, aids or abets or attempts to counsel, induce, aid or abet a non-Canadian to purchase, directly or indirectly, any residential property knowing that the non-Canadian is prohibited under [the ban] from purchasing the residential property". All may be fined. That's particularly a concern for player agents, real estate agents or real estate lawyers, which would make purchasing very difficult. The other concern is that the property may be ordered to be sold. And there will be expenses for dealing with all of that. And that's a headache for just 7 of 32 teams, many players would just sign with one of the other 25 teams instead to not have to deal with the issue.

Its not the end of the world, since there are a ton of free agents with Canadian citizenship or have been playing in Canada for long enough to be exempt, and renting is always an option, but there's zero chance that there will be zero impact.

A person can circumvent the law and purchase the home for said player. Once the residency is on play, the house gets sold over to the player at the predetermined price.

Pretty certain a superstar UFA would get that service from the team acquiring him...

 

[WeThreeKings]

Agreed.

Personally I don't see the need to trade for him at all, but as long as its lower end assets I wont care too much.

With the depth they have already, and whoever they get with their 1st pick, im not so sure they need PLD and his 9+ cap hit anyways....

Another big and skilled forward would certainly balance things out really well.. and I'll always take an actually good francophone representative on the team to ease the tensions that come from that.

 

[bsl]

If they trade Dubois, I do wonder about their plans of finding a NHL center? Dvorak with his cap hit vs whoever they can get as a UFA this summer? Even someone like Eller might cost them a Dvorak type contract and he's older.

I don't expect them to take Dvorak but won't be surprised either.

Not sure how high they are on Mailloux but lets face it, the guy has very good potential and his a big RD that skates well and has a very good shot. Of course they would like him just like we would. Their fans won't admit to that though but if a trade like that happened, they quicky change their tune.

Don't trade a good D prospect for a middling centreman The Chelios trade was a disaster. No way Mailloux should be in this trade. I will be really pissed if Hugo does this.