HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #84: Off-Season edition

[Destopcorner]

No sorry, I mean what comments did PLD make about not wanting money more than anything?

Pierre-Luc Dubois | Se sentir « à la bonne place au bon moment »

« L’argent, c’est le fun, mais ce n’est pas le plus important dans la vie. Moi, mon rêve, c’est de gagner une Coupe Stanley. »

www.lapresse.ca

 

[Canadienna]

Pierre-Luc Dubois | Se sentir « à la bonne place au bon moment »

« L’argent, c’est le fun, mais ce n’est pas le plus important dans la vie. Moi, mon rêve, c’est de gagner une Coupe Stanley. »

www.lapresse.ca

Would be real cool to get him in around Suzuki. Would avoid any awkwardness in the room too.

Definitely getting ahead of myself a bit though.

 

[Benstheman]

Would be real cool to get him in around Suzuki. Would avoid any awkwardness in the room too.

Definitely getting ahead of myself a bit though.

I think he will sign and 1 year contract at 7M$ than immediately re-sign a 8 years, 8,5M$ per extension. Making him a Hab until he is 33 yo.

 

[morhilane]

He might have just misspoke, but the fact he details that it's a pick they've acquired and not just one of their picks points me to the FLA pick.

He might also trade someone else once the season is over and get another 1st (not necessarily in 2023), which might get traded eventually. Or the Calgary one get traded instead of the Florida one.

 

[ZUKI]

I’m just happy that we have a young, high upside local player who wants to be here.

If he signs for less, so be it but Hughes has been clearing cap room so even if Dubois is paid a market rate, he can fit in easily.

The greatest unknown and the most consequential is obviously what the Habs would have to give up in a trade if they chose to pursue him this off season.

Do you have any idea of what are the needs of Winnipeg ?

 

[RealityBytes]

I think he will sign and 1 year contract at 7M$ than immediately re-sign a 8 years, 8,5M$ per extension. Making him a Hab until he is 33 yo.

Keep in mind PLD is still only an RFA for Winnipeg. He also will want at least as much if not more as he makes now, which is $6M per year. So, for the Habs to get him now on an offer sheet will require a 1st, 2nd, and a 3rd in player compensation for anything over $6.3M.

PLD will only be an UFA in the summer of the 2024 season, so don't expect him to be a Hab yet. He'll probably end up being a Jet again next year. Then in 2024-25 and beyond, he will cost a BIG bundle for any team to acquire him. I would say he would want closer to $9.5m to $10M on a long term contract.

If the Habs do want him for the 2023-24 season, he would be too expensive to get him in a trade, especially for someone who will be an UFA in the summer of 2024. The Jets want him to stay and they would hold out for a lot, too much, on a trade.

 

[sampollock]

Yet you keep bringing him up

ya it is me every 3rd comment . lol

 

[ZUKI]

I think he will sign and 1 year contract at 7M$ than immediately re-sign a 8 years, 8,5M$ per extension. Making him a Hab until he is 33 yo.

I just can agree on those numbers, they are fair for both sides. But i still hope for the hometown discount .

How long it has been happened that Habs got so much p'tits Québécois ?

Matheson, Dubois, Roy , RHP, Drouin, Trudeau, Bournival , and all the - 5'6" and less - players that they pick up every years in the Q league ....

 

[yianik]

Based on past trades, a good, top 6 UFA at the TDL is worth a late 1st, okay prospect ( Struble ) and decent young roster player ( Evans, Ylonen ). As a 2C I think for PLD you add a 2nd.

Patches was a 1st line scoring winger with with year left on his deal.We got a top ( though not Blue Chip ) C, a Cap Dump ( what else was it? ) and a 2nd round pick.

Relative to the Patches trade. PLD is a C, so price goes up, he is younger , price goes up. PLD is a 2nd line player, price goes down.

Suzuki was a 13thOA pick. Florida's pick in a "deep draft" will be middle of the pack most likely. No cap dump we are forcing onto the Jets. Add a 2nd. If PLD is saying he will only extend with the Habs, then that's the most the Jets would get from us if we hardball a bit. If we want to get a deal done nice and easy then we add a real good prospect like Roy. I would not move Beck, but the Jets should target him and the Florida 1st. For am extended PLD.

 

[RealityBytes]

Pierre-Luc Dubois | Se sentir « à la bonne place au bon moment »

« L’argent, c’est le fun, mais ce n’est pas le plus important dans la vie. Moi, mon rêve, c’est de gagner une Coupe Stanley. »

www.lapresse.ca

That could also mean he wants to go to Boston or Tampa Bay or Colorado. Wouldn't that be a kick in the head to the Habs.

 

[Sterling Archer]

That could also mean he wants to go to Boston or Tampa Bay or Colorado. Wouldn't that be a kick in the head to the Habs.

But he doesn’t. He wants to fulfill a lifelong dream and become a Canadien!

 

[Destopcorner]

I’m just happy that we have a young, high upside local player who wants to be here.

If he signs for less, so be it but Hughes has been clearing cap room so even if Dubois is paid a market rate, he can fit in easily.

The greatest unknown and the most consequential is obviously what the Habs would have to give up in a trade if they chose to pursue him this off season.

Would be real cool to get him in around Suzuki. Would avoid any awkwardness in the room too.

That could also mean he wants to go to Boston or Tampa Bay or Colorado. Wouldn't that be a kick in the head to the Habs.

Everyone and their mother knows he wants to come here, don't be silly. My point was about his salary demands as they won't be sky high for various reasons. Kid has "le coeur à bonne place" and wants to be a hometown hero, we are truly bless.

Btw, thinking out loud... Lets say trade talk goes south with WIN and PLD say f*** em and signs a 6m 1year deal to come here. Pretty sure Winnipeg would sign him at this price right... but it also means he's untradable for the year doesnt it?

0 return on that type of player would be disastrous for their franchise and they'd to take the picks. Don't think Hugo has that kind of cold shoulder but what a dirty card that would be.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

I think he will sign and 1 year contract at 7M$ than immediately re-sign a 8 years, 8,5M$ per extension. Making him a Hab until he is 33 yo.

The habs can't offer him an 8 year contract

 

[Scriptor]

Guys, learn the jargon of this place

/s = sarcasm, was trying to be silly and recreate the old halak, Ryder and a 2nd

I’ve already said numerous times my offer would be fla 1st , beck and a 2nd or equivalent which is essentially the Horvat offer

I also think it will be FLA 1st, Beck and Harris (2nd equivalent).

MON can live with that, but I would definitely include a longer term Cap hit with this package, like Armia at 3.4M. I prefer to keep Dvorak, even at 4.45M, because you never have too many Cs, as we see this season, but it could be Dvorak going WIN's way as well...

1st + Beck + Harris + Dvorak or Armia.

MON C-line becomes:

Canfield - Suzuki - XXX
XXX - Dubois - Anderson
Slafkovsky - Dach - XXX
XXX - Evans (or whomever) - XXX

What pick MON gets with its own will change the line composition, obviously, but hey...

 

[Runner77]

I also think it will be FLA 1st, Beck and Harris (2nd equivalent).

MON can live with that, but I would definitely include a longer term Cap hit with this package, like Armia at 3.4M. I prefer to keep Dvorak, even at 4.45M, because you never have too many Cs, as we see this season, but it could be Dvorak going WIN's way as well...

1st + Beck + Harris + Dvorak or Armia.

MON C-line becomes:

Canfield - Suzuki - XXX
XXX - Dubois - Anderson
Slafkovsky - Dach - XXX
XXX - Evans (or whomever) - XXX

What pick MON gets with its own will change the line composition, obviously, but hey...

Don’t want to give up Beck until we know what we have. I do understand that we have to give to get but would rather deal from a position of strength (LD) and try to acquire another first rounder that can be flipped.

Obviously, there is the delicate balance of accommodating what Winnipeg wants. It’ll be a slow dance and it’s impossible to know what will be enough for a deal to happen.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

Pierre-Luc Dubois | Se sentir « à la bonne place au bon moment »

« L’argent, c’est le fun, mais ce n’est pas le plus important dans la vie. Moi, mon rêve, c’est de gagner une Coupe Stanley. »

www.lapresse.ca

'' my dream is to win a cup ''

rumours he wants to join a team that has drafted 1st overall and have potential to draft top 4 again this year and are nowhere close to playoffs.

He says money is not everything then just sign 2m a year for 5 years in Colorado as their second center and farm those cups .

I kinda find this hilarious lol

 

[Heffyhoof]

why give up on a draft first round selection that could ends up into a player as good as Dubois in the next 3-5 years , that if we are very lucky, for Pierre-Luc Dubois ?

I agree! Using this logic, I propose that Montreal trades all of it's 1st and 2nds for any good youngish players they can find and piece together a contender that way!

 

[Beendair Donedat]

Still high on Hunter Brzustewicz as a potential Habs draft pick. He's not going to overwhelm you with anything, but he plays a well rounded game and has excellent vision and ability to dish the puck. Think he'll be a very good powerplay quarterback if given the opportunity, but will need to work on his shot more so guys won't be cheating.

48 assists in 62 games as a rookie in the OHL is pretty impressive.

Think he'd pair very nicely with Xhekaj in the future... And just writing down their last names on a potential pairing, would make for the ultimate high score in Scrabble, and give Pierre Houde nightmares for the rest of his life.

 

[Benstheman]

The habs can't offer him an 8 year contract

If he signs a 1 year 7M $ first, yes he can.

 

[Sterling Archer]

The habs can't offer him an 8 year contract

Why not? If he’s traded to the Habs, they can then offer him 8 years. Only if they sign him as a UFA that they can only do 7. Or am I missing something?

 

[WeThreeKings]

That could also mean he wants to go to Boston or Tampa Bay or Colorado. Wouldn't that be a kick in the head to the Habs.

I don't think any of those teams could come remotely close to absorbing his cap hit.

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

Don’t want to give up Beck until we know what we have. I do understand that we have to give to get but would rather deal from a position of strength (LD) and try to acquire another first rounder that can be flipped.

Obviously, there is the delicate balance of accommodating what Winnipeg wants. It’ll be a slow dance and it’s impossible to know what will be enough for a deal to happen.

Jets are also stacked on the left its the last thing they need

 

[Scriptor]

Don’t want to give up Beck until we know what we have. I do understand that we have to give to get but would rather deal from a position of strength (LD) and try to acquire another first rounder that can be flipped.

Obviously, there is the delicate balance of accommodating what Winnipeg wants. It’ll be a slow dance and it’s impossible to know what will be enough for a deal to happen.

I definitely understand the reticence to include Beck, as I feel it myself, but, precisely because you have to give to get, I reluctantly include him in a trade proposal that I think is more realistic, albeit more difficult to concede.

Unless you are going from our position of strength and giving up Guhle, I don't think it remotely moves the needle for WIN.

I already include Harris in the proposal, to convince WIN after the FLA 1st runner and Beck, but Harris as a main element?

WIN would go, Harris who?

Matheson? Maybe, given how he iOS currently playing.

Hutson cours also be quite enticing, but I wouldn't hand him over to WIN.

Xhekaj, because of the rare blend of player he is? Maybe, but I also wouldn't part with him.

If Matheson + 1st FLA + Dvorak, for example, will cut it, GO! Yo also clear 4.875M for three years in Matheson's case and 4.45M for two years in Dvorak's case - 9.325M in total, plenty to extend Dubois and have some left over for the IR, IMO.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

I might be late with this, but I just saw online that Friedman said in either the 32 Thoughts podcast or on the Jeff Marek show that Jets and Habs already had discussions regarding PLD. And that he'd be surprised if PLD doesn't end up in Montreal.

LeBrun has also mentioned that he believes PLD will be traded this off-season.

I'm assuming the tweet didn't say where ? I've listened to all of 32 thoughs recently and haven't heard that they discussed it, so it might have been on Marek's show


Edit: did some research and found youtuber legorocks who references Marek's show, March 9th

If he signs a 1 year 7M $ first, yes he can.

You gotta wait until January 1st to do that and things might change.

While I didn't see anything about RFA slipping through and you can sign to an 8 year deal, I imagine if you acquire him and have him on your reserve list after July 1st you should be able to, but NHL is weird and might not be able to

 

[Benstheman]

I'm assuming the tweet didn't say where ? I've listened to all of 32 thoughs recently and haven't heard that they discussed it, so it might have been on Marek's show


You gotta wait until January 1st to do that and things might change.

While I didn't see anything about RFA slipping through and you can sign to an 8 year deal, I imagine if you acquire him and have him on your reserve list after July 1st you should be able to, but NHL is weird and might not be able to

yeah i see what you mean. But isn't only in the cases of offersheets??.