HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #84: Off-Season edition

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The U.S.

You still need proof to enter. Bertuzzi has a work visa so he gets an exemption when he crosses the U.S. border from Canada when traveling with his team. If he signs with a Canadian team, he loses his Visa and his waiver. He'd need to provide proof of vaccination to travel to U.S.

This applies to non-U.S. citizens. Bertuzzi is Canadian.

Pretty sure it has been lifted in September. I go to the US often and I have never been asked about a vax pass.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Pretty sure it has been lifted in September. I go to the US often and I have never been asked about a vax pass.

I just went to Utah and while I was told to have it, Noone ever checked it.

 

[HuGort]

Just out of curiosity, but what sort of package would the Habs be willing to give up for Rantanen?

We don't have the assets to acquire Rantanen.

 

[ReHabs]

Pretty sure it has been lifted in September. I go to the US often and I have never been asked about a vax pass.

It is still a legal requirement. Tennis star Novak Djokovic is still in the news regarding his potential non-entry to some tournament in Florida because of it.

 

[Jaynki]

Not sure what the compensation is but if it’s what KK got, sure. Laf is trending up and a mid round first is not worth much.

Depends mostly on the caphit not the compensation. A Dach-like contract offer will have him stay in NYR, but much more than 3.5m/yr is risky for a not yet reliably productive player.

We have the cap space next season to do the KK thing. It would be a terrific hit imo if management could pull this off.

1yr 6M so NYR is screwed and we pay a 1st and a 3rd

Then 8 years 5M AAV. Doubt Lafreniere would accept tho.

 

[waitin425]

We have the cap space next season to do the KK thing. It would be a terrific hit imo if management could pull this off.

1yr 6M so NYR is screwed and we pay a 1st and a 3rd

Then 8 years 5M AAV. Doubt Lafreniere would accept tho.

I mean if Hugo wants to make a splash. Let's say we finish 6-8th in the draft and we really like Reinbacher.

Florida finishes 14-16 and we probably are not getting a truly impactful forward.

Trade Florida pick + Dvorak + Struble for PLD

Sign PLD to 8.5x8
Sign Caufield to 7.875x8

Offersheet Laf at ~6.3 to keep it at the 1st and 3rd compensation

Somewhere in the future......

Dach - Suzuki - Caufield
Laf - PLD - Slaf
RHP - Beck - Mesar

That would give us 3 x top 6 centres that can be moved around the lineup. Tons of size. Speed.

Guhle
Reinbacher
Hutson
Barron
Mailloux
Xhekaj

If Reinbacher somehow ends up Seider good and Hutson reaches Quinn Hughes level (or higher) than this D is also extremely stacked

 

[Scriptor]

A while yet is the rest of his term. The rest of this year and two more is a fair amount of time. Do we trade him as a pending UFA or extend him? Not sure. Wasn't talking about any extension.

He's a good one to have around and his term left supports it. Nothing to worry or dwell about. Savard has done a good job at doing the little things well and he's a good one to have around while the kids are maturing.

Savard, to the end of his contract, traded at the trade deadline in the final year (two years from now), is fine...

I mean if Hugo wants to make a splash. Let's say we finish 6-8th in the draft and we really like Reinbacher.

Florida finishes 14-16 and we probably are not getting a truly impactful forward.

Trade Florida pick + Dvorak + Struble for PLD

Sign PLD to 8.5x8
Sign Caufield to 7.875x8

Offersheet Laf at ~6.3 to keep it at the 1st and 3rd compensation

Somewhere in the future......

Dach - Suzuki - Caufield
Laf - PLD - Slaf
RHP - Beck - Mesar

That would give us 3 x top 6 centres that can be moved around the lineup. Tons of size. Speed.

Guhle
Reinbacher
Hutson
Barron
Mailloux
Xhekaj

If Reinbacher somehow ends up Seider good and Hutson reaches Quinn Hughes level (or higher) than this D is also extremely stacked

RHP - Beck - Mesar will be a speedy smurf line...

 

[Habs Halifax]

We have the cap space next season to do the KK thing. It would be a terrific hit imo if management could pull this off.

1yr 6M so NYR is screwed and we pay a 1st and a 3rd

Then 8 years 5M AAV. Doubt Lafreniere would accept tho.

Risky to do that cause you could be trading away a 2024 lottery pick. Interesting idea though. However, I don't the Rangers cap space is screwed though. Depends if they have plans on extending Tarasenko and Kane I guess. Maybe you consider the Lafreniere offer sheet after they are signed but maybe they sign Lafreniere first to avoid the situation?

 

[Habs Halifax]

I mean if Hugo wants to make a splash. Let's say we finish 6-8th in the draft and we really like Reinbacher.

Florida finishes 14-16 and we probably are not getting a truly impactful forward.

Trade Florida pick + Dvorak + Struble for PLD

Sign PLD to 8.5x8
Sign Caufield to 7.875x8

Offersheet Laf at ~6.3 to keep it at the 1st and 3rd compensation

Somewhere in the future......

Dach - Suzuki - Caufield
Laf - PLD - Slaf
RHP - Beck - Mesar

That would give us 3 x top 6 centres that can be moved around the lineup. Tons of size. Speed.

Guhle
Reinbacher
Hutson
Barron
Mailloux
Xhekaj

If Reinbacher somehow ends up Seider good and Hutson reaches Quinn Hughes level (or higher) than this D is also extremely stacked

Interesting ideas but with our pick, I don't think we should be drafting by position of need in Reinbacher. He's ranked 20th on Bob's mid season list and drafting him in the 5-10 range will be a big reach. Even bigger than taking KK 3rd. Reinbacher moves inside the top 10 in ranking before the draft? Possible but I have my doubts on that.

 

[ReHabs]

Risky to do that cause you could be trading away a 2024 lottery pick. Interesting idea though. However, I don't the Rangers cap space is screwed though. Depends if they have plans on extending Tarasenko and Kane I guess. Maybe you consider the Lafreniere offer sheet after they are signed but maybe they sign Lafreniere first to avoid the situation?

Yes, good GMs communicate with and plan to sign the free agent players they intend to retain. Bergevin was not a good GM.

 

[waitin425]

Interesting ideas but with our pick, I don't think we should be drafting by position of need in Reinbacher. He's ranked 20th on Bob's mid season list and drafting him in the 5-10 range will be a big reach. Even bigger than taking KK 3rd. Reinbacher moves inside the top 10 in ranking before the draft? Possible but I have my doubts on that.

Total spit balling on my part. I don't know enough of Reinbacher at this point. Just thinking about different scenarios where we might go after both Laf and PLD. If we miss out on the big 4 this draft, grabbing both of them would make a huge splash and solidify our forwards for years to come, thus making Florida 1st and our 2024 1st expendable IMO.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I mean if Hugo wants to make a splash. Let's say we finish 6-8th in the draft and we really like Reinbacher.

Florida finishes 14-16 and we probably are not getting a truly impactful forward.

Trade Florida pick + Dvorak + Struble for PLD

Sign PLD to 8.5x8
Sign Caufield to 7.875x8

Offersheet Laf at ~6.3 to keep it at the 1st and 3rd compensation

Somewhere in the future......

Dach - Suzuki - Caufield
Laf - PLD - Slaf
RHP - Beck - Mesar

That would give us 3 x top 6 centres that can be moved around the lineup. Tons of size. Speed.

Guhle
Reinbacher
Hutson
Barron
Mailloux
Xhekaj

If Reinbacher somehow ends up Seider good and Hutson reaches Quinn Hughes level (or higher) than this D is also extremely stacked

Interesting ideas but with our pick, I don't think we should be drafting by position of need in Reinbacher. He's ranked 20th on Bob's mid season list and drafting him in the 5-10 range will be a big reach. Even bigger than taking KK 3rd. Reinbacher moves inside the top 10 in ranking before the draft? Possible but I have my doubts on that.

 

[Jaynki]

Risky to do that cause you could be trading away a 2024 lottery pick. Interesting idea though. However, I don't the Rangers cap space is screwed though. Depends if they have plans on extending Tarasenko and Kane I guess. Maybe you consider the Lafreniere offer sheet after they are signed but maybe they sign Lafreniere first to avoid the situation?

I believe if we add Laf with what we already have we are closer to the playoff than we are to the lottery tho.

Like other poster suggested, drafting Reinbacher and trading for Dubois and inking him long term may bring our team in the playoff as soon as next season. I think it would be a better option than going for Laf.

 

[Beendair Donedat]

I'd be very surprised to see Xhejak traded.

Or Xhekaj

 

[Jaynki]

Interesting ideas but with our pick, I don't think we should be drafting by position of need in Reinbacher. He's ranked 20th on Bob's mid season list and drafting him in the 5-10 range will be a big reach. Even bigger than taking KK 3rd. Reinbacher moves inside the top 10 in ranking before the draft? Possible but I have my doubts on that.

I don't think its that much of a reach honestly. He will be higher in Bob final list, its an evidence. (Well its not an evidence at all, but i strongly believe he will be higher.)

He profile similarly to Nemec and Jiricek in terms of impact in a European pro league and potential.

I think after the big elite forward are gone, Reinbacher has a case against any other player in this draft.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Total spit balling on my part. I don't know enough of Reinbacher at this point. Just thinking about different scenarios where we might go after both Laf and PLD. If we miss out on the big 4 this draft, grabbing both of them would make a huge splash and solidify our forwards for years to come, thus making Florida 1st and our 2024 1st expendable IMO.

I'm not against the Dubois trade (Panthers 1st and Beck maybe) and offer sheeting Lafreniere via the KK example. But with our pick, we need to draft BPA. Our RD search can be something we look at moving forward and so will the goalies.

Without the Lafreniere offer sheet factored in, our cap structure below (worse case) is tight. We would have to get Hoffman included in the Dubois trade and flip Eddy to a contender to free up more room.

I've talked about a potential higher cap (with higher escrow) next season a fair amount and some fans laughed at it. Funny cause Bettman just talked about that possible idea this week. Got to get the players to agree but it is written in the CBA (MOU) that they will look at ways to not shock the system after the NHPA balance is paid off.

 

[waitin425]

I believe if we add Laf with what we already have we are closer to the playoff than we are to the lottery tho.

Like other poster suggested, drafting Reinbacher and trading for Dubois and inking him long term may bring our team in the playoff as soon as next season. I think it would be a better option than going for Laf.

What about sign and trade for PLD but also OS Laf? I like that option best!

 

[Habs Halifax]

I don't think its that much of a reach honestly. He will be higher in Bob final list, its an evidence. (Well its not an evidence at all, but i strongly believe he will be higher.)

He profile similarly to Nemec and Jiricek in terms of impact in a European pro league and potential.

I think after the big elite forward are gone, Reinbacher has a case against any other player in this draft.

Maybe he moves to the 10-15 range in ranking closer to the draft. 5-10 range? Not sure about that. Rather trade down if you really want Reinbacher and get a extra 2nd rounder?

 

[waitin425]

I'm not against the Dubois trade (Panthers 1st and Beck maybe) and offer sheeting Lafreniere via the KK example. But with our pick, we need to draft BPA. Our RD search can be something we look at moving forward and so will the goalies.

Without the Lafreniere offer sheet factored in, our cap structure below (worse case) is tight. We would have to get Hoffman included in the Dubois trade and flip Eddy to a contender to free up more room.

I've talked about a potential higher cap (with higher escrow) next season a fair amount and some fans laughed at it. Funny cause Bettman just talked about that possible idea this week. Got to get the players to agree but it is written in the CBA (MOU) that they will look at ways to not shock the system after the NHPA balance is paid off.

Cap is definitely a consideration. In an ideal world we would be dumping Anderson and Gally too. I totally forgot about Guri in my lineup above. Put him with Beck and RHP. I really like that kid. Perfect third line scoring threat.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Cap is definitely a consideration. In an ideal world we would be dumping Anderson and Gally too. I totally forgot about Guri in my lineup above. Put him with Beck and RHP. I really like that kid. Perfect third line scoring threat.

We are not going to dump Anderson. If he is traded, it will be a hockey trade. Gorton/Hughes are clearly keeping him unless they get pry away value offers.

But yes, ideally, we can unload Gallagher but that's not going to happen. Not worried about his cap hit just yet but I do wonder if his last year or two hurts us. Dach needs a new contract when Gallagher has one year left. That could be a problem then.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Who ends up better? Gurianov or Lafreniere? I know Lafreniere is 21 and stands to improve but how much does he improve from age 22-25?

Gurianov:
* Age 25
* 12th OA pick in 2015
* 108 pts with 50 goals in 266 games (0.41 pts/game)
* 17 pts with 9 goals in 32 playoff games (0.53 pts/game)

Lafreniere:
* Age 21
* 1st OA pick in 2020
* 84 pts with 45 goals in 201 games (0.42 pts/game)
* 9 pts with 2 goals in 20 playoff games (0.45 pts/game)

If the Rangers want to sign both Tarasenko and Kane and Lafreniere wants $4M+ on a bridge deal where they don't have cap room for that, what would we have to add on top of Gurianov in a trade for Lafreniere?

Yes, good GMs communicate with and plan to sign the free agent players they intend to retain. Bergevin was not a good GM.

Bergevin is in the past. Don't look backwards, look forward

 

[nhlfan9191]

What about sign and trade for PLD but also OS Laf? I like that option best!

We’d have to sign Lafreniere to something the Rangers wouldn’t want to match which means it probably wouldn’t be worth it for us either. As for the sign and trade, Winnipeg would have to agree to fair value for what they have which is a cost controlled player for only one more year. They can’t be demanding the market value of what he’d be signed or id simply wait.

 

[Habs Halifax]

We’d have to sign Lafreniere to something the Rangers wouldn’t want to match which means it probably wouldn’t be worth it for us either. As for the sign and trade, Winnipeg would have to agree to fair value for what they have which is a cost controlled player for only one more year. They can’t be demanding the market value of what he’d be signed or id simply wait.

What if Dubois really will force his way to UFA regardless of who he plays with next year if not with the Habs? If you were a GM for another team, do you really try to intervene after Dubois wanting out of Columbus and now Winnipeg who has a good team? If this circumstance is true, Gorton/Hughes will use their leverage and the cost to acquire might be cheap. Jets are in a very difficult spot.

Only way Lafreniere offer sheet works is if they sign Kane and Tarasenko and don't have room for Lafreniere at $4M+. If I was the Rangers GM, I get Lafreniere signed first.

 

[nhlfan9191]

What if Dubois really will force his way to UFA regardless of who he plays with next year if not with the Habs? If you were a GM for another team, do you really try to intervene after Dubois wanting out of Columbus and now Winnipeg who has a good team? If this circumstance is true, Gorton/Hughes will use their leverage and the cost to acquire might be cheap. Jets are in a very difficult spot.

Only way Lafreniere offer sheet works is if they sign Kane and Tarasenko and don't have room for Lafreniere at $4M+. If I was the Rangers GM, I get Lafreniere signed first.

The Jets have zero leverage over us in any potential Dubois trade right now. He’s RFA so we can talk to again in the summer and get a better idea of just how much he wants to come to Montreal. We aren’t competing next year anyways so if we feel it’s a necessity to get him here before he hits UFA, we can pay just pay rental price which will be cheaper then giving up Floridas pick and whatever else they’ll try to poach from us. The only thing that could potentially throw things off is if another team enters the picture with the intention of a sign and trade.

 

[Habs Halifax]

The Jets have zero leverage over us in any potential Dubois trade right now. He’s RFA so we can talk to again in the summer and get a better idea of just how much he wants to come to Montreal. We aren’t competing next year anyways so if we feel it’s a necessity to get him here before he hits UFA, we can pay just pay rental price which will be cheaper then giving up Floridas pick and whatever else they’ll try to poach from us. The only thing that could potentially throw things off is if another team enters the picture with the intention of a sign and trade.

If I was Gorton or Hughes and I knew that he would wait for one more year and also be willing to take similar contracts to Horvat, Hintz, or Larkin, I would wait and let the Jets drown with him for one more year.

The part I wonder about is he cap for 24/25 and what changes from now till then? Does Brisson push for $9M - $10M when they know the cap is $88M+ for 24/25? Contracts could change and I do think agents are going to make GM's take fits when the official cap for 24/25 is known.

I even spoken to a larger cap than $83.5M for next year with a higher escrow and some fans laughed at me. Well, Bettman just said that exact same thing this week.