HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #84: Off-Season edition

[BaseballCoach]

It would've been strange for a deeply rebuilding Habs to target Sandin but I remember wanting him last year. Offersheets are great and should be utilized much more often.

Sandin is only one year older than Xhekaj, Dach and Caufield.

 

[Leon Lucius Black]

Joel Armia’s contract is also back-loaded.

And yet no one in the media will ask why resident capologist and contract lead John Sedgwick was not just retained but promoted. Apparently it’s all entirely Bergevin’s fault and the guy who’s job it is to structure contracts bears no responsibility for the negative consequences of his work.

Sedgwick's job is to structure salaries to make things work based on Molson's cash budget and based on who the GM wants to bring in, he doesn't decide which players they bring in.

I am sure Segwick would prefer to front load every contract and make guys more tradeable to budget teams like Arizona near the end of their contracts, however at the end of the day it is a business and Molson isn't going to pay $110-$130M in actual salaries a year.

Bergevin was the one who desperately wanted to keep the 4th liner in Armia and gave him almost $14M based on a handful of good playoff games, he's also the guy who cried and caved into Gallagher's demands to keep him around on that disgusting contract.

 

[ReHabs]

Sedgwick's job is to structure salaries to make things work based on Molson's cash budget and based on who the GM wants to bring in, he doesn't decide which players they bring in.

I am sure Segwick would prefer to front load every contract and make guys more tradeable to budget teams like Arizona near the end of their contracts, however at the end of the day it is a business and Molson isn't going to pay $110-$130M in actual salaries a year.

Bergevin was the one who desperately wanted to keep the 4th liner in Armia and gave him almost $14M based on a handful of good playoff games, he's also the guy who cried and caved into Gallagher's demands to keep him around on that disgusting contract.

Price's contract is brutal on cashflow, fyi.

I understand Sedgwick was not the final say but his presence has not lead to good outcomes. A better professional would've helped protect the Habs from Bergevin's awful decisions.

 

[SwiftyHab]

Say that the Habs, listening to the fans here, RELUCTANTLY send Gurianov his $2.9M QO.

Why would he not sign an offer sheet at $3.5M x 2 years from a team that believes in him more?

Cause he's expeirenced the difference between a team that believed in him in Dallas and a team that will help develop his talents in MTL. MSL, Adam Nicholas and co now have a very positive reputation that they can take gifted players who are struggling and help them find their mojo in their system. That could be the difference between having a good short term contract that fizzles out like in Dallas or a longer more fulfilling career.

That gives us an edge on Gurianov and other free agents this summer.

 

[Leon Lucius Black]

Price's contract is brutal on cashflow, fyi.

I understand Sedgwick was not the final say but his presence has not lead to good outcomes. A better professional would've helped protect the Habs from Bergevin's awful decisions.

Bergevin didn't exactly seem like the type of guy who made rational decisions or was a great listener. A lot of his decisions were based solely on players he loved and he never seemed to have any type of plan.

There was the rumour we fired an analytics guy who disagreed with the Subban/Weber trade, in an environment like that people who reported to Bergevin probably didn't speak up as much as they would have liked to.

HuGo have so far shown to be the opposite of Bergevin, they are patient, great communicators and value inputs from their team. Given they promoted Sedgwick soon after they came on board, they must value him and his inputs pretty highly.

 

[Rapala]

GMs who makes offer sheets will always be f***ed over after that.

Yeah, by the rules you can, doesn't mean you should.

The offer sheet has always been a farce. Most owners will not sign off on one. Molson however...

May have learned his lesson.

 

[Perratrooper]

Just out of curiosity, but what sort of package would the Habs be willing to give up for Rantanen?

 

[Rapala]

Price's contract is brutal on cashflow, fyi.

I understand Sedgwick was not the final say but his presence has not lead to good outcomes. A better professional would've helped protect the Habs from Bergevin's awful decisions.

He had no traction with Molson which was always the problem since day one with no buffer between Bergevin and the Corporate Executive. I brought this very point up in year three long before anyone else was even willing to discuss Molson's role as President.

 

[Rapala]

Just out of curiosity, but what sort of package would the Habs be willing to give up for Rantanen?

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Edit: No reflection on the player but the reality of where we are at in our re-construction.

 

[Habs Halifax]

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Including Dach would completely defeat the purpose of pursuing Dubois this summer.

Dubois and a late 1st, at the expense of Dach, is not worth eight years+ with both Dubois and Dach on the Habs roster as soon as 2024-2025.

Even if Dubois’ willing to a sign-and-trade to another team this summer, I highly doubt the Jets’ will get a Dach-quality player as the main asset; they have no leverage besides bluffing on the price tag of a TDL 2024 firesale.

Yup. It was discussed yesterday. I only threw it out there cause a friend of mine who is a Jets fan asked me to. I told him it wouldn't' go well.

 

[Perratrooper]

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Edit: No reflection on the player but the reality of where we are at in our re-constructtion.

That’s fair, wasn’t sure if Montreal was believing they might be a bit closer to competing next year.

 

[Habs Halifax]

"...and Savard is around for a while yet."

What's awhile to you?

IMO, Savard is gone, at the latest, trade deadline in two years. He'll be turning 35 in the first year of his next contract, if he signs one somewhere.

Savard is a warrior, but his mobility, with age, has taken a hit and shifting offensive formations in the O-zone that force him to stray away from the comfort of his own net have taken a toll on him, as could be clearly seen against Colorado that has no set position on the attack, preferring to challenge form open ice until the opposing D breaks down...


Correct. It is the perfect way to throw your cap structure completely ou of the window and put building a contender in peril...

A while yet is the rest of his term. The rest of this year and two more is a fair amount of time. Do we trade him as a pending UFA or extend him? Not sure. Wasn't talking about any extension.

He's a good one to have around and his term left supports it. Nothing to worry or dwell about. Savard has done a good job at doing the little things well and he's a good one to have around while the kids are maturing.

 

[Rapala]

That’s fair, wasn’t sure if Montreal was believing they might be a bit closer to competing next year.

Yeah we can't afford what it would cost. The deal would blow far more holes than Rantanen could possibly fill. I would always prefer to be on the other side of that type of deal.

 

[sampollock]

Have not been on for a bit, busy

any thoughts on Kent trading for Hart out of Philly??

 

[BergevinBurner]

Just out of curiosity, but what sort of package would the Habs be willing to give up for Rantanen?

I guess it'd be similar to the proposals for PLD.

Assuming Suzuki/Slaf/Caufield are untouchable, I guess it'd be something like one of Anderson/Dach/Anderson, Florida's 1st round pick and one of our rookie defensemen and/or a prospect not named Hutson.

That being said, I'd say it's much more likely we target a top 6 C since we have so many winger prospects on the verge of cracking the lineup.

 

[Perratrooper]

I guess it'd be similar to the proposals for PLD.

Assuming Suzuki/Slaf/Caufield are untouchable, I guess it'd be something like one of Anderson/Dach/Anderson, Florida's 1st round pick and one of our rookie defensemen and/or a prospect not named Hutson.

That being said, I'd say it's much more likely we target a top 6 C since we have so many winger prospects on the verge of cracking the lineup.

I’d argue Rantanen is worth a lot more than PLD (especially considering PLD is essentially forcing the trade), but I appreciate the feedback to at least get some idea of what Habs fans would consider.

 

[Rapala]

I guess it'd be similar to the proposals for PLD.

Assuming Suzuki/Slaf/Caufield are untouchable, I guess it'd be something like one of Anderson/Dach/Anderson, Florida's 1st round pick and one of our rookie defensemen and/or a prospect not named Hutson.

That being said, I'd say it's much more likely we target a top 6 C since we have so many winger prospects on the verge of cracking the lineup.

I don't believe anyone is untouchable if the right deal comes along. But chances are Suzuki/Caufield aren't realistic targets and with Slaf you'd have to pay a premium for his potential upside. Better off drafting at that point.

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

I guess it'd be similar to the proposals for PLD.

Assuming Suzuki/Slaf/Caufield are untouchable, I guess it'd be something like one of Anderson/Dach/Anderson, Florida's 1st round pick and one of our rookie defensemen and/or a prospect not named Hutson.

That being said, I'd say it's much more likely we target a top 6 C since we have so many winger prospects on the verge of cracking the lineup.

Rantanen is better/worth more then PLD but that being said we shoudlnt be trading assets for him i love the player but we need to stick with the rebuild

 

[Rapala]

Have not been on for a bit, busy

any thoughts on Kent trading for Hart out of Philly??

I would much prefer to use Florida's pick for a deal around Hart than anyone else we've seen proposed.

 

[BergevinBurner]

I’d argue Rantanen is worth a lot more than PLD (especially considering PLD is essentially forcing the trade), but I appreciate the feedback to at least get some idea of what Habs fans would consider.

He's 100% worth more than PLD.
The Jets have their hands tied if the rumors are true that he doesn't want to extend with them.

That's why I think if Montreal's going to move any big pieces it'll be to land PLD at a discounted cost since the alternative would be for Winnipeg to either flip him at next trade deadline or lose him for nothing next summer.

 

[bcv]

Have not been on for a bit, busy

any thoughts on Kent trading for Hart out of Philly??

He'd probably cost too much due to his reputation and he will not be worth it. Montembeault is basically the same age and has been same output for now.

 

[Rapala]

He'd probably cost too much due to his reputation and he will not be worth it. Montembeault is basically the same age and has been same output for now.

I don't know about that. Briere can't do much with what he currently has other than grabbing first rounders. Goaltenders don't usually bring in a big haul.

 

[bcv]

I don't know about that. Briere can't do much with what he currently has other than grabbing first rounders. Goaltenders don't usually bring in a big haul.

A 1st rounder is too much.

 

[Rapala]

A 1st rounder is too much.

Not in this case IMO. With Hart we know what we are getting. Right age group and similar mechanics to a recent star here. Getting a decent contract extention done would be the kicker.

 

[Captain Mountain]

I’d argue Rantanen is worth a lot more than PLD (especially considering PLD is essentially forcing the trade), but I appreciate the feedback to at least get some idea of what Habs fans would consider.

Rantanen is absolutely worth more than PLD, but part of the reason that Montreal seem to be interested in a PLD trade in the first place is because it seems like he's angling to come to Montreal, is 24, and would presumably be locked up long term.

Rantanen has a modified NTC that kicks in on July 1 and is two more seasons away from UFA. The East in general is a slaughterhouse and the Atlantic in particular could have as many as 6 really strong teams over the next two seasons. Montreal isn't going to be able to seriously compete in the next two years. There's no real upside to paying even close to what Rantanen would cost because all it would really do is hurt Montreal's draft position for a season or two and then lead to a far lower return in the deadline rental market.

That’s fair, wasn’t sure if Montreal was believing they might be a bit closer to competing next year.

There's been nothing to suggest that from the front office and no reason anyone would expect that.