HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #84: Off-Season edition

[digmor crusher]

Not like I hate or like this idea but how does our herd feel about this Dubois trade....

* Dubois and his RFA year (we extend him)
* Jets 2023 1st
for
* Dach (3 years of control with one RFA year left after)
* Maybe a small add from the Habs. Kapanen or Tuch type

Thats a terrible trade for the Jets, in no way is Dach worth Dubois and a 1st. Maybe Dach and Montreals's 1st for Dubois.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Thats a terrible trade for the Jets, in no way is Dach worth Dubois and a 1st. Maybe Dach and Montreals's 1st for Dubois.

Dubois may not end up to be the best player. Jets give up a 1st to get an NHL ready centre. Plus hopefully giving them a better chance of keeping Scheifele and Hellybuck.

 

[The Great Weal]

Thats a terrible trade for the Jets, in no way is Dach worth Dubois and a 1st. Maybe Dach and Montreals's 1st for Dubois.

Lol

 

[Colezuki]

Thats a terrible trade for the Jets, in no way is Dach worth Dubois and a 1st. Maybe Dach and Montreals's 1st for Dubois.

jesus christ no,

It's going to end up Florida 1st, Beck and a 2nd equivalent (either roster player or Prospect) at the draft

 

[calder candidate]

very well put reply. You have a point, while i was looking purely on his progress, sometimes a position of strenght can be used to improve other positions.
And surely that wont be using ghule nor xhekaj

The biggest question is are we comfortable with Barron if we aren’t well than we have to question Barron future but Barron is a RD which is already a position of weakness if we can’t use him I assume that most team would be in the same situation, so low trade value. Harris would be close to Romanov in term of value probably less but still very good value for team that already started there rebuilding, are retooling, or contending looking for good player on cheap contract.

 

[eklund the clown]

Not like I hate or like this idea but how does our herd feel about this Dubois trade....

* Dubois and his RFA year (we extend him)
* Jets 2023 1st
for
* Dach (3 years of control with one RFA year left after)
* Maybe a small add from the Habs. Kapanen or Tuch type

Think the Jets would hang up the phone....fast

 

[Habs 4 Life]

Not like I hate or like this idea but how does our herd feel about this Dubois trade....

* Dubois and his RFA year (we extend him)
* Jets 2023 1st
for
* Dach (3 years of control with one RFA year left after)
* Maybe a small add from the Habs. Kapanen or Tuch type

I think it's pretty safe to say that both teams pass on this idea. With pretty much Dubois on his way out, the Jets will want to maximize a return of assets, they will not trade Dubois and their 1st.

As for us, Dach is definitely part of this teams future and rebuild and is not going anywhere. He is here to stay and possibly play with Dubois!

 

[Habs Halifax]

So the Jets gives up the best player + a 1st pick?

Yes. Dubois's value is one RFA year bud. Dach has higher trade value now that we have seen him rebound with the Habs and he has 4 years of RFA control (3 years of contract term with 1 RFA year after).

Best player doesn't reveal the true value. I was just wondering and no, not a deal I really want to force.

I think it's pretty safe to say that both teams pass on this idea. With pretty much Dubois on his way out, the Jets will want to maximize a return of assets, they will not trade Dubois and their 1st.

As for us, Dach is definitely part of this teams future and rebuild and is not going anywhere. He is here to stay and possibly play with Dubois!

I would agree both sides might steer clear of that trade idea but I actually think it works for the Jets more than the Habs. Adding Dach to them might make Scheifele stay.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Think the Jets would hang up the phone....fast

I actually think it fits the Jets more than the Habs. I think we hang up. Jets adding Dach to replace Dubois might make Scheifele stay. Adding Panthers pick and Beck (for example) might mean Scheifele leaves.

 

[Habs 4 Life]

I actually think it fits the Jets more than the Habs. I think we hang up. Jets adding Dach to replace Dubois might make Scheifele stay. Adding Panthers pick and Beck (for example) might mean Scheifele leaves.

I honestly don't think Dach would have that much power on Scheifele staying in Winnipeg or not. He is going to hit UFA after next season and plenty of teams will be trowing money at him.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I honestly don't think Dach would have that much power on Scheifele staying in Winnipeg or not. He is going to hit UFA after next season and plenty of teams will be trowing money at him.

Very possible yes. Anyways, move on time. I was just wondering how we felt about that idea and my suspicions are confirmed. Some fans see the 1st added on Dubois and think they are getting ripped off. Not accurate cause Dach could be just as good as Dubois and he has more team control. Jets ability to get a Dach value in return is very limited.

Dubois to the Habs this summer and then Scheifele to the Bruins or Avs? Wild guess but could happen. Jets delaying their decisions to do a mini rebuild will only hurt them over the long term.

After many conversations, I would do Panthers 1st and Beck for Dubois. No NHL contract going to the Jets and we trade Eddy somewhere else. I like the idea of trading Beck more than Barron to be honest. Beck's value may never be as high as it is now and the chances he is a Dubois type center is slim. And I value Beck just as much as most Habs fans.

 

[tazsub3]

Think the Jets would hang up the phone....fast

I think you very very mistaken, dach value today is higher then thé jets and the habs will be the ones closing the phone

 

[Adam Michaels]

Not like I hate or like this idea but how does our herd feel about this Dubois trade....

* Dubois and his RFA year (we extend him)
* Jets 2023 1st
for
* Dach (3 years of control with one RFA year left after)
* Maybe a small add from the Habs. Kapanen or Tuch type

No thank you. I'm not trading Dach for Dubois. The goal would be to add Dubois to the young core you're looking to build around. So I would look to add PLD to the likes of Dach, not replace one with the other. Because then you're back to square one in the sense that you moved a piece you want to build with for another piece you want to build with.

Now if it's to move a key piece in a position you have a lot of depth in to address an area of need, it's another story. Similar to how moving Romanov to get Dach makes sense with the Habs' depth at D and their lack of depth at center and Top-6. This would not be the case moving Dach for PLD.

I want PLD and I think the Habs should trade for him rather than wait for him to hit free agency in a year. Because to me, if he's someone they target, they should arrange to go get him rather than wait for him to come to you. However, I still would not pay any price to get him. And Dach is definitely not someone I'm willing to move in such a deal.

 

[Habs Halifax]

No thank you. I'm not trading Dach for Dubois. The goal would be to add Dubois to the young core you're looking to build around. So I would look to add PLD to the likes of Dach, not replace one with the other. Because then you're back to square one in the sense that you moved a piece you want to build with for another piece you want to build with.

I want PLD and I think the Habs should trade for him rather than wait for him to hit free agency in a year. Because to me, if he's someone they target, they should arrange to go get him rather than wait for him to come to you. However, I still would not pay any price to get him. And Dach is definitely not someone I'm willing to move in such a deal.

I bet you Jets fans laugh at it but I think we are the ones who hang up the phone.

I posted it cause I have a friend who is a Jets fans and he asked me to post it for him. I told him it would not go well .

I feel for the Jets but it's their GM's fault. He is the one who traded Laine/Rost for Dubois thinking they can convince him to sign. I have no doubt the Jets GM knew we were trying to trade for Dubois and Dubois is interested in Montreal. I guess they got 3 or 4 years of out it but they will never recoup the 2nd OA pick value (Laine) as this stage.

Too bad for them that the Blackhawks wanted futures for Dach. Glad we made that move last year and I also bet that the Jets asked for Dach this past draft. No doubt in my mind that the Jets and Habs talked trade.

 

[jellybeans]

Loved the Domi and Perry names for a comeback. Perry would be the ideal mentor for Slaf on the 4th and Domi would be very dynamuc and cocky next to his friend Andy. Send Dvo++ for Dubois and that's a pretty good lineup with solid group of young veterans.

Caufield-Suzy-RHP
Domi-Dubois-Andy
Farell-Dach-Heineman
Slaf-Evans-Perry
Hoffman,armia,Gally eating hot dogs

Slaf on the fourth line lmao.

 

[jellybeans]

Lol

There's no way Dach is even worth just Dubois and the Jets would add a first holly molly come back to earth to some of the Habs delusional fans its just crazy to give anything thing good for Dubois when you can get him for free in 1 more year.

 

[Expos94]

Gallagher & Florida s pick
for
Karlsson
Gally is done and Karlsson could possibly have a good 4 years left plus he's a righty

 

[Scriptor]

There's not even a 1% chance of the habs trading Dach for Dubois. Dubois doesn't have that kind of value, and the habs will definitely not be trading their best prospects/young players for a player who is ufa in 1 year.

What value exactly do you think Dubois has?

Dubois is what we hope Dach becomes.

As Dubois is what we hope our first round picks become.

Dubois is a 3rd OA pick that has progressed as you would expect from a 3rd OA pick from the very start.

Dach is still somewhat of a project as a 3rd OA pick.

Considering both are long term options while playing in their peak years for this team (8 years or more), if I had to choose between Dubois and Dach, I would keep Dubois over Dach.

What you know you have VS what you hope the other becomes if he reaches his ceiling.

However, this type of deal is not to MON's advantage because, if Dach continues to progress, it's closer to being a lateral move in a few years than not and we are looking to improve the team by acquiring Dubois.

Whatever is traded for Dubois needs to be a draft pick that is pure fabulation as to the likelihood of that player reaching his ceiling, at this point, or not being certain who would be picked at that rank right now.

It needs to be a hope as a pick, or something that os clearly not in the Habs' future plans, or a happy combination of both.

I would not trade Dach for Dubois, but I might risk trading Beck for Dubois, because the C-line depth would then become Dubois, Suzuki, Dach, 2023 1st round pick, Evans, with the possibility of those Cs moving up and down the depth chart, or moving to the wing to stay on the same line on the depth chart.

Mesar is also another option at C for an offensive exploitation 3rd line, maybe? Kidney?

If we can land another first round pick before the draft, I'd definitely consider Dvorak + Beck + later first round pick + Harris for Dubois.

Then, it would be a question of whether we choose players at the draft with our pick and the one we got from FLA, or if we choose with our own pick and move FLA's pick for help on RD?

Because, adding Dubois, a young top-4 RHD with remaining upside to, perhaps, become a top-pairing D and seeing a youngster or more make the opening day lineup could seriously jump start our lineup.

Let's say it is Dubois + Grans + Roy + Farrell + Heineman and it gives us this lineup:

Caufield - Suzuki - Dach
Slafkovsky - Dubois - Anderson
Farrell - 1st 2023 - Roy
RHP/Heineman - Evans - Gurianov/Heineman

Matheson - Grans
Guhle - Savard
Xhekaj - Barron
Kovacevic

jesus christ no,

It's going to end up Florida 1st, Beck and a 2nd equivalent (either roster player or Prospect) at the draft

FLA 1st, Beck and Harris, but it should also include Dvorak for C-depth in WIN and to move some Cap for the Habs. Needs to be done to give up beck in the deal, a long term C with team control and an ELC coming up...

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Gallagher & Florida s pick
for
Karlsson
Gally is done and Karlsson could possibly have a good 4 years left plus he's a righty

This would be great for the tank, Karlsson would instantly be our worst defensive player

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

What value exactly do you think Dubois has?

What Horvat got, and Horvat didnt return a piece as good as Dach

 

[Scriptor]

We'd be lucky if Mailloux was passable defensively. People talk about sheltering Hutson but Mailloux is the one who will need to the most sheltering.

Guhle is ready-made for Mailloux.

What we need is a young, shutdown D on the right side that has puck-moving skills and can read the play well in order to protect Hutson when he takes off on a tangent throughout the O-zone.

Easier to get that type of RHD than a bonafide #1D on the right side.

Mailloux can't be much worse than Souray who was a complete pylon, getting 26 goals, but being -28 at the same time...

Being on the ice for 28 more goals given up than goals scored at even strength really made those 26 goals scored necessary, 19 of which were a product of the PP!

Pretty sure Mailloux can have a physical presence similar to Souray and that Guhle can protect the righty...

Need a poor man's Guhle, minimum, on the right side, to give some shelter to Hutson when he moves up to the NHL.

After that, Xhekaj can give some defensive support to a more offensive-minded D like Barron on a 3rd pairing at D.

The key is that all Ds will be mobile and that the pairings should provide complementary partners.

 

[Vachon23]

Guhle is ready-made for Mailloux.

What we need is a young, shutdown D on the right side that has puck-moving skills and can read the play well in order to protect Hutson when he takes off on a tangent throughout the O-zone.

Easier to get that type of RHD than a bonafide #1D on the right side.

Mailloux can't be much worse than Souray who was a complete pylon, getting 26 goals, but being -28 at the same time...

Being on the ice for 28 more goals given up than goals scored at even strength really made those 26 goals scored necessary, 19 of which were a product of the PP!

Pretty sure Mailloux can have a physical presence similar to Souray and that Guhle can protect the righty...

Need a poor man's Guhle, minimum, on the right side, to give some shelter to Hutson when he moves up to the NHL.

After that, Xhekaj can give some defensive support to a more offensive-minded D like Barron on a 3rd pairing at D.

The key is that all Ds will be mobile and that the pairings should provide complementary partners.

You need to be solid defensively to play with Guhle because you’re gonna face other teams tops players. Not sure Mailloux have the potential to do that. Souray wasn’t facing other teams top players

 

[Deaner]

Picking up on the Jets discussion without actually quoting anyone...Habs fan and Winnipegger here.

In my opinion, yes, the Jets are "frugal" but I think that frugality will manifest itself in a different way. I think ownership would place more value on making the playoffs, or even competing for a spot into April, than maximizing the return on a player. Like if Dubois is a Jet next TDL and they're within 10pts of a spot (insert "so you're saying there's a chance" meme) they'd hold onto him.

Winnipeggers are frugal too. 100$ to see a bottom-feeder is a tough sell. Further to that, True North has made some large investments in real estate developments in the downtown core (with another huge acquisition at the whisper stage) and I think ownership would see a lot of value in maintaining fan engagement and convincing people to come downtown. If you've been here, or you live here, you know - it's sketchy! People actually need convincing! It's one of the smallest rinks in the league, demand for tickets has already been dropping, the city's lost a team once. I see them as Murray Edwards' never-rebuild Flames.

I do absolutely agree that the fact decisions are due on so many of their stars at the same time could force their hand, but it wouldn't shock me to see them throw ridiculous money at Hellebuyck (think 11M+)even if they lose PLD and Scheifele to try and stay a bubble team rather than bottoming out however briefly or quickly you think you can do it.

As for the Habs angle.....I really hope PLD becomes a Hab. He's a force, and better than Suzuki imo. Through free agency, or without using either '23 1st. Stay the course, draft and develop, keep evaluating the prospects and kick the can down the road to when you have a better read on your potential and needs. The Atlantic should be even stronger next year too, Bruins notwithstanding.

 

[bcv]

Gallagher & Florida s pick
for
Karlsson
Gally is done and Karlsson could possibly have a good 4 years left plus he's a righty

Nah, f*** Karlsson and his contract.

 

[HuGort]

Would you guys offer sheet Lafreniere, give up our '24 first pick?