HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #84: Off-Season edition

[Habaddict]

I don't think we ever give Hutson for PDL.
I am scared of losing Hutson.

I don't think we ever give Hutson for PDL.
I am scared of losing Hutson.

 

[BaseballCoach]

If farrel is WPG's price for PDL? Is that good or bad
for habs?

I think Farrell is a sure-fire top-9 player but if he replaces a first round pick, then yes. I just don't think Winnipeg would do that.

Like I would do:

Farrell, Dvorak, Evans OR
Farrell, Harris, Evans OR
Farrell, Dvorak, Harrris.....

......and no draft picks.

 

[Habaddict]

I think Farrell is a sure-fire top-9 player but one for one yes. I just don't think Winnipeg would do that.

Ok, I just wanted to get a sense of this from other people.
As I said, I think Hutson is too much to give.

 

[tazsub3]

Savard play on the right side and bring experience, Kovacevic a perfectly adequate 3rd pairing RD or 7D on a cheap contract for the next 2 years. Edmundson is the on is way out but he is still a NHLer.
Harris is higher than Edmundson, Savard and Kovacevic but he still seem to be stuck in no man land and seem like the odd man out, with Matheson, Guhle, Xhekaj and Hutson coming… Savard, Kovacevic can play RD for the next 2 years. How is keeping Harris helping in the next 2 years, especially he hasn’t been great when playing the right side, even when Savard and Kovacevic are gone Harris would still not be the ideal solution.

you realise harris still a rookie that is playing way more games then he used to.
Usually physical and mental fatigue can blunt progress, lets wait and see what an offseason or two bring.
player development in real life not as fast as in a video game

 

[habsfan891]

I'm seeing lots of talk that Flyers have Hart on the block seems dumb considering they have looked for a decent goalie for 30+ years now

 

[Jaynki]

I'm seeing lots of talk that Flyers have Hart on the block seems dumb considering they have looked for a decent goalie for 30+ years now

Hart was promising but he has not amounted to much.

Montembeault has better relative stats

 

[danyhabsfan]

If he has that long of a laundry list of defects, who will possibly want to give up a 1st rounder for him? Habs would need to add significantly and at that point, might as well move someone else.

Edit: just saw that others before me have taken the same stance.

What is the value of Harris and what team could be interested at the draft?

Sea, Stl, Nas, SJ, CHI, CBJ all have late 1st…

Harris has more value to us than in a trade. He is 22 years old and has been one of our most consistent defenceman this year, he's a very smart player who can eat minutes.

I'd rather have Harris than a late first where we'd hope to draft someone as good as Harris.

No doubt about it. Harris is worth more than a late 1st round dart that may or may not make the NHL. 1st rounders have lots of value but so does a young player performing well in the NHL.

I agree that Harris is great but he will the odd man out… He wasn’t has good on the right side… We have Matheson, Guhle, Xhekaj ahead of him or bring something he can’t. We have Hutson and Engstrom coming up + we have Edmundson that we also need to trade. On the right side we have Savard and Kovacevic that are adequate and we have Baron and Mailloux so unless Harris can beat someone on the right side.
Romanov +98th was traded for #13, Romanov probably had more value than Harris…
To me both Edmundson and Harris should or will need to be traded.

just a late 1st might not be enough, all these team also have good or multiple 2nd.

But I’m guess a would be Harris + 5th for 1st + 2nd, if we can get more great I just don’t see team lining up because even if he is great he just is the archetype team are looking for.

One poster suggested Harris for a late 1st and some people replied that they wouldn't make the deal.

I said I'd make the deal and the reason why.

 

[Habs Halifax]

One poster suggested Harris for a late 1st and some people replied that they wouldn't make the deal.

I said I'd make the deal and the reason why.

What was your post as to the reasons why? Post number?

 

[nhlfan9191]

I'm seeing lots of talk that Flyers have Hart on the block seems dumb considering they have looked for a decent goalie for 30+ years now

He’s a couple years older now then Price was when he broke out, but I think the Flyers would be nuts to give up on him at the moment, especially when their team has been so poor. If he’s available, I’d be all over it.

 

[SOLR]

I can't f***ing believe we got 17 million in Price and Gallagher that we can't use and another 8 million in Armia and Hoffman. 25 million dollars of nothing. That's money for two superstars.

Price's $ doesn't count.

 

[danyhabsfan]

What was your post as to the reasons why? Post number?

626

 

[Habs Halifax]

I can't f***ing believe we got 17 million in Price and Gallagher that we can't use and another 8 million in Armia and Hoffman. 25 million dollars of nothing. That's money for two superstars.

True but this will unblock itself over time. Price is on LTIR and Gallagher is the real problem if he doesn't go on LTIR. Gallagher's last few years could be an issue for us if our youth bust out. Gallagher has one more year in term over Dach (for example).

Armia and Hoffman's salary should have been spent on Danault but that's in the past now. We really don't need cap space with their term left.

I agree with you but I see Gallagher as the only real problem.

I may be in the minority but I'd trade Harris for a late first. (22nd-26th pick)

I don't see the upside. (He'll be 23 in july)

He's small and doesn't bring a lof of offense. I don't see him playing on the PP and on the PK. I prefer 3rd pair defenseman that have special role.

I don't like the comparable but I see a Victor Mete career down the road. I hope I'm wrong cause he's a great person.

I understand your approach but I don't see Harris going lower in value before his prime so you can have your plan at trading him at a later date. Harris is actually on a Girard track more than Mete IMO.

Use Harris for transition years. Then see where all the guys are on the back end in 3 years. Harris is one I am not super high or low on but the kid can play and he has good skating/vision and all around game for a undersized D man. He's better than Mete

 

[sandviper]

Whre is Mailloux in your plan ? He will be at NHL level way before Hutson.

I don’t think so. Even if Mailloux turns pro first, I think Hutson will be a regular NHLer first.

 

[danyhabsfan]

I understand your approach but I don't see Harris going lower in value before his prime so you can have your plan at trading him at a later date. Harris is actually on a Girard track more than Mete IMO.

Use Harris for transition years. Then see where all the guys are on the back end in 3 years. Harris is one I am not super high or low on but the kid can play and he has good skating/vision and all around game for a undersized D man. He's better than Mete

Anyway I dont think Harris will be traded short term.

Girard was in his 4th season at Harris age. Putting 32 pts in 48 games. I don't see the comparable.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Anyway I dont think Harris will be traded short term.

Girard was in his 4th season at Harris age. Putting 32 pts in 48 games. I don't see the comparable.
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Not all players produce the same at the same ages. Girard started earlier yes. But what I see is similar players when both are in prime. Won't be the exact same

 

[Vachon23]

Not all players produce the same at the same ages. Girard started earlier yes. But what I see is similar players when both are in prime. Won't be the exact same

Harris doesn’t have the offensive tools that Girard have

 

[Habs Halifax]

Harris doesn’t have the offensive tools that Girard have

More about value than tools. I can see Harris being a Girard type value when he reaches his prime. That to me is his max ceiling based on what I know today. His base is Mete. Somewhere between Mete and Girard

 

[26Mats]

More about value than tools. I can see Harris being a Girard type value when he reaches his prime. That to me is his max ceiling based on what I know today. His base is Mete. Somewhere between Mete and Girard

Yeah he's already much better than Mete will ever be.

I'm not sure Harris can beat out all 6 of Guhle, Mailloux, Matheson, Barron, Hutson, and Xhekaj, let alone Engstrom and even Kovacevic. So I'm not sure his future is with us.

 

[DAChampion]

I'm not sure Harris can beat out all 6 of Guhle, Mailloux, Matheson, Barron, Hutson, and Xhekaj, let alone Engstrom and even Kovacevic. So I'm not sure his future is with us.

There are nine names in that paragraph, and then we can Savard and Matheson who will be here long term.

No idea what the future will be, but if half those young players work out then Hughes will have trade options. In that context, Harris is an ideal long term third pairing dman.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Yeah he's already much better than Mete will ever be.

I'm not sure Harris can beat out all 6 of Guhle, Mailloux, Matheson, Barron, Hutson, and Xhekaj, let alone Engstrom and even Kovacevic. So I'm not sure his future is with us.

Good piece to have in transition years. I like Harris more than Kova. Engstrom has years before he is ready. Not sure what kind of sky rocket development Hutson is on to be honest. Trying to stay humble with that.

 

[26Mats]

There are nine names in that paragraph, and then we can Savard and Matheson who will be here long term.

No idea what the future will be, but if half those young players work out then Hughes will have trade options. In that context, Harris is an ideal long term third pairing dman.

Savard may only have a couple more good years he's 33...

If Mailloux and Hutson make it. I'm not sure there's room for Harris:

Guhle - Mailloux
Matheson - Barron
Hutson - Xhekaj

I don't Harris ahead of any of those players. But maybe one of Mailloux or Hutson doesn't make it. And there may be trades...

 

[Habs Halifax]

Savard may only have a couple more good years he's 33...

If Mailloux and Hutson make it. I'm not sure there's room for Harris:

Guhle - Mailloux
Matheson - Barron
Hutson - Xhekaj

I don't Harris ahead of any of those players. But maybe one of Mailloux or Hutson doesn't make it. And there may be trades...

I rather make room later than sooner. We need to inject talent in Laval and not rush them. So yeah, Harris is a good one to have for transition years and the proper time to consider trading him is when he is closer to 25 and we flip hin for his prime years. If he trends well which I think he will, GM's will value his prime in trade value.

We are not going to know how good this D core is for a while yet.

 

[Scriptor]

No doubt about it. Harris is worth more than a late 1st round dart that may or may not make the NHL. 1st rounders have lots of value but so does a young player performing well in the NHL.

However, a late 1st rounder may have more value in a trade than Harris with a team not needing LHDs...

I'm also not sure we can get a 1st rounder for Harris. We say he's more valuable to us than a late 1st rounder, but we may also be over evaluating him when we say he could fetch us a late first rounder...

 

[Benstheman]

Savard may only have a couple more good years he's 33...

If Mailloux and Hutson make it. I'm not sure there's room for Harris:

Guhle - Mailloux
Matheson - Barron
Hutson - Xhekaj

I don't Harris ahead of any of those players. But maybe one of Mailloux or Hutson doesn't make it. And there may be trades...

You better sign an elite goaltender because we will get destroyed defensively.

 

[Scriptor]

I agree that Harris is great but he will the odd man out… He wasn’t has good on the right side… We have Matheson, Guhle, Xhekaj ahead of him or bring something he can’t. We have Hutson and Engstrom coming up + we have Edmundson that we also need to trade. On the right side we have Savard and Kovacevic that are adequate and we have Baron and Mailloux so unless Harris can beat someone on the right side.
Romanov +98th was traded for #13, Romanov probably had more value than Harris…
To me both Edmundson and Harris should or will need to be traded.

just a late 1st might not be enough, all these team also have good or multiple 2nd.

But I’m guess a would be Harris + 5th for 1st + 2nd, if we can get more great I just don’t see team lining up because even if he is great he just is the archetype team are looking for.

Harris for a 1st and a 2nd rounder because you added a 5th rounder!?

Harris might not even fetch a 1st rounder. Let's take off the fan goggles, please...