HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #84: Off-Season edition

[ZUKI]

What is the value of Yaniv Perets, a College level goalie from MTL who just had two super seasons ?

Yan is pervert ? no way in Montreal.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

Oh ok i thought it was 2024 and isnt UPL considered a future #1 or am i off ?

Covid year of 2020-2021 doesn't count as a year. Majority of teams didn't even have a season, so they added a "fifth" year, and extended teams rights by that one year too.

UPL is 24 already and is below average. He's far from having a starter's role. Maybe he becomes a competent backup.

They lack overall depth at that position.

 

[calder candidate]

What is the value of Harris and what team could be interested at the draft?

Sea, Stl, Nas, SJ, CHI, CBJ all have late 1st…

 

[salbutera]

Getting a Hart, or a Dubois this summer (maybe with the FLA pick?) would be a sign from management that they are moving on to the next phase of the rebuild.

I like both players, but I do wonder if the Habs need more time at the bottom.

The good thing is that neither player is too old for a window 3+ years into the future.

This summer will be interesting!

I will guarantee you, should Habs win Bedard sweeps, rebuild ends pronto. The draft and summer will be about adding to build towards making playoffs next season.

I.e PLD, Killorn, Severnson etc..

 

[Slafkofield]

Maybe Primeau++++ for Hart, his father played for the Flyers maybe they’ll want him?

 

[Habs Halifax]

The way I see it, the Jets have essentially two options: A) either cut their losses and sell Dubois’ rights this summer or B) go all in with their current core and likely risk losing him for nothing at the end of the 2023-2024 season.

An in-between scenario - signing Dubois one year and trade him by TDL 2024 - is highly unlikely in my humble opinion; unless the Jets somehow crash hard next year and are out if the playoffs picture by early March.

In any event, selling Dubois as a UFA-to-be at TDL 2024 would likely fetch at most a late 2024 1st and A prospect.

Thus, to make a trade happen this summer, the Habs should aim to offer the Jets a slightly better package than that the aforementioned TDL 2024 price tag, an overpayment they can definitively afford because unlike most teams, Montreal can reasonably expect to sign Dubois long-term.

In that spirit, FLA’s 2023 1st is of course a very strong asset to dangle as the main counterpart. But I don’t dislike the idea of CGY’s 2025* 1st + MTL’s (high) 2nd instead of FLA’s pick. Dubois + 2 top-15 prospects would be an amazing 1st round result, especially if the Habs can draft a promising RHD with one of these picks

Good post. It's not 100% they trade Dubois this summer. I do see the Jets considering several options. All I know is they are frugal and will rather not loose him for nothing. Keeping him for one more year and then trading him at the 2024 deadline is a real possibility but imagine being in a playoff spot? That would put them in a difficult spot. Things they review this summer and Scheifele and Helle are part of it.

I'm OK with offering the Flames 1st but I doubt they take it. If they trade him for futures this summer, they will want futures now vs later. Especially the prime piece. That's what I would want if I was them anyways.

What do the Habs do? For all we know, Gorton/Hughes offer low trade value because they will wait for him to be UFA and rather one more season to possibly tank.

 

[Habs Icing]

Yan is pervert ? no way in Montreal.

If that was an attempt at an English pun, it fell flat. If you're passing on info, you need to specify.

 

[Sorinth]

Getting a Hart, or a Dubois this summer (maybe with the FLA pick?) would be a sign from management that they are moving on to the next phase of the rebuild.

I like both players, but I do wonder if the Habs need more time at the bottom.

The good thing is that neither player is too old for a window 3+ years into the future.

This summer will be interesting!

Chances are our time at the bottom is going to be over. We have a number of young guys ready to take the next step and likely won't have historic levels of man games lost to injury. We might not be a playoff team but we probably aren't Chicago either.

But it's also important to remember that opportunities to get a young #1 goalie or #1C with size simply don't come around very often. If we pass on them because we don't think the team is ready to move to the next stage then in a year or two when we do want to move to that next stage chances are there won't be a #1 goalie on the market. So if you believe that Hart is a legit #1 and there's a resonable offer on the table this summer you make that deal.

 

[Sterling Archer]

I will guarantee you, should Habs win Bedard sweeps, rebuild ends pronto. The draft and summer will be about adding to build towards making playoffs next season.

I.e PLD, Killorn, Severnson etc..

It’ll be like when Pittsburgh drafted Crosby and brought in a ton of talented vets to insulate and act as protégés for him. Completely see the same if they draft Bedard.

Maybe Primeau++++ for Hart, his father played for the Flyers maybe they’ll want him?

Primeau does have deep ties in Philly due to his dad. I could see it as a PR win or at least positive spin if they traded Hart.

 

[Leon Lucius Black]

What is the value of Harris and what team could be interested at the draft?

Sea, Stl, Nas, SJ, CHI, CBJ all have late 1st…

Harris has more value to us than in a trade. He is 22 years old and has been one of our most consistent defenceman this year, he's a very smart player who can eat minutes.

I'd rather have Harris than a late first where we'd hope to draft someone as good as Harris.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Harris has more value to us than in a trade. He is 22 years old and has been one of our most consistent defenceman this year, he's a very smart player who can eat minutes.

I'd rather have Harris than a late first where we'd hope to draft someone as good as Harris.

No doubt about it. Harris is worth more than a late 1st round dart that may or may not make the NHL. 1st rounders have lots of value but so does a young player performing well in the NHL.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

The way I see it, the Jets have essentially two options: A) either cut their losses and sell Dubois’ rights this summer or B) go all in with their current core and likely risk losing him for nothing at the end of the 2023-2024 season.

An in-between scenario - signing Dubois one year and trade him by TDL 2024 - is highly unlikely in my humble opinion; unless the Jets somehow crash hard next year and are out if the playoffs picture by early March.

In any event, selling Dubois as a UFA-to-be at TDL 2024 would likely fetch at most a late 2024 1st and A prospect.

Thus, to make a trade happen this summer, the Habs should aim to offer the Jets a slightly better package than that the aforementioned TDL 2024 price tag, an overpayment they can definitively afford because unlike most teams, Montreal can reasonably expect to sign Dubois long-term.

In that spirit, FLA’s 2023 1st is of course a very strong asset to dangle as the main counterpart. But I don’t dislike the idea of CGY’s 2025* 1st + MTL’s (high) 2nd instead of FLA’s pick. Dubois + 2 top-15 prospects would be an amazing 1st round result, especially if the Habs can draft a promising RHD with one of these picks

I have no idea why Winnipeg would "protect" their core. They've done f*** all except for a run to WCF that had Schiefele have a Cammalleri type playoff performance, and a D that featured Byfuglien as their #1 5 seasons ago.

Since then they've lost in 1st round, lost in Qualifying round (covid tournament), got swept by Montreal & didn't make playoffs last year.

They're getting in playoffs this year based off a really hot start because they've been one of the worst teams in league in 2nd half. They'll be dumped in 1st round again.

They're starting to age out too. Connor, Ehlers & Morrissey are all 27. How much better is this group going to get? And, they were the young guys at one time too.

Not much of the way of prospects there either. The really big question is if Hellebuyck is going to re-sign there? If not then it's rebuild time.

We find that out this summer.

 

[calder candidate]

Harris has more value to us than in a trade. He is 22 years old and has been one of our most consistent defenceman this year, he's a very smart player who can eat minutes.

I'd rather have Harris than a late first where we'd hope to draft someone as good as Harris.

I agree that Harris is great but he will the odd man out… He wasn’t has good on the right side… We have Matheson, Guhle, Xhekaj ahead of him or bring something he can’t. We have Hutson and Engstrom coming up + we have Edmundson that we also need to trade. On the right side we have Savard and Kovacevic that are adequate and we have Baron and Mailloux so unless Harris can beat someone on the right side.
Romanov +98th was traded for #13, Romanov probably had more value than Harris…
To me both Edmundson and Harris should or will need to be traded.

just a late 1st might not be enough, all these team also have good or multiple 2nd.

But I’m guess a would be Harris + 5th for 1st + 2nd, if we can get more great I just don’t see team lining up because even if he is great he just is the archetype team are looking for.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Worth noting that in a potential sign/trade, Habs can surely offer signing bonus structure and NMC for Dubois.

Lets look at both Larkin, Horvat, and Hintz contracts because Dubois is a very similar asset:

Larkin:
* Age 27 next season
* Has earned $32M as of today
* 0.74 pts/game over 569 NHL games
* $8.7M for 8 years.
* All 8 years are UFA years
* 38.36% tax in Detroit
* $0M signing bonus money structured in
* Full NTC for first 5 years.
* 10 team trade list for last 3 years

Horvat:
* Age 28 next season
* Has earned $35M as of today
* 0.67 pts/game over 637 NHL games
* $8.5M for 8 years.
* All 8 years are UFA years
* 45.17% tax in NY
* $0M signing bonus money structured in
* Last 4 years are 16 team NTC

Hintz:
* Age 27 next season
* Has earned $10M as of today
* 0.78 pts/game over 297 NHL games
* $8.45M for 8 years.
* 7/8 years are UFA years
* 31.71% tax in Dallas
* $12M signing bonus money structured in (first 4 years)
* Full NMC for the last 7 years

 

[Habs 4 Life]

I agree that Harris is great but he will the odd man out… He wasn’t has good on the right side… We have Matheson, Guhle, Xhekaj ahead of him or bring something he can’t. We have Hutson and Engstrom coming up + we have Edmundson that we also need to trade. On the right side we have Savard and Kovacevic that are adequate and we have Baron and Mailloux so unless Harris can beat someone on the right side.
Romanov +98th was traded for #13, Romanov probably had more value than Harris…
To me both Edmundson and Harris should or will need to be traded.

just a late 1st might not be enough, all these team also have good or multiple 2nd.

But I’m guess a would be Harris + 5th for 1st + 2nd, if we can get more great I just don’t see team lining up because even if he is great he just is the archetype team are looking for.

Harris will probably be used in a bigger trade, like in a Dubois trade if Kent is to make it this summer. I think he would add much value to something like that for the Jets

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

If we trade Harris, it would be in like 2 years, not now. It's when we will have multiple of our young d-prospects not currently in the nhl (Hutson, Mailloux, Struble, Engstrom, etc.) ready to play in the nhl

Guhle - Matheson
Xhekaj - Barron
Harris - Kovacevic
is what we have right now that could stay for several more years.

Matheson and Kovacevic will be traded before Harris.

Guhle - Mailloux
Hutson - Barron
Xhekaj - Engstrom
is ideally what we would have in a few years.

 

[TomKosto]

If we trade Harris, it would be in like 2 years, not now. It's when we will have multiple of our young d-prospects not currently in the nhl (Hutson, Mailloux, Struble, Engstrom, etc.) ready to play in the nhl

Guhle - Matheson
Xhekaj - Barron
Harris - Kovacevic
is what we have right now that could stay for several more years.

Matheson and Kovacevic will be traded before Harris.

Guhle - Mailloux
Hutson - Barron
Xhekaj - Engstrom
is ideally what we would have in a few years.

I would not be surprise to see Harris traded in a deal for Dubois.

 

[calder candidate]

If we trade Harris, it would be in like 2 years, not now. It's when we will have multiple of our young d-prospects not currently in the nhl (Hutson, Mailloux, Struble, Engstrom, etc.) ready to play in the nhl

Guhle - Matheson
Xhekaj - Barron
Harris - Kovacevic
is what we have right now that could stay for several more years.

Matheson and Kovacevic will be traded before Harris.

Guhle - Mailloux
Hutson - Barron
Xhekaj - Engstrom
is ideally what we would have in a few years.

Harris isn’t in your ideal scenario in a few year. I don’t see the point in holding on to him the fill a gap 2-3 years when we already have Savard, Matheson, Kovacevic, Edmundson to fill that gap. He might be more useful in 3 seasons when we have trade player away not all prospects pan out… but what do you do with him in the mean time
23-24
Matheson savard
Guhle Baron
Xhekaj kovacevic
Edmundson*Harris

24-25
Matheson Baron
Guhle Savard*
Xhekaj Kovacevic*
Harris Mailloux
Hutson

25-26
Guhle Baron
Hutson Matheson*
Xhekaj Mailloux

 

[Habs Halifax]

I have no idea why Winnipeg would "protect" their core. They've done f*** all except for a run to WCF that had Schiefele have a Cammalleri type playoff performance, and a D that featured Byfuglien as their #1 5 seasons ago.

Since then they've lost in 1st round, lost in Qualifying round (covid tournament), got swept by Montreal & didn't make playoffs last year.

They're getting in playoffs this year based off a really hot start because they've been one of the worst teams in league in 2nd half. They'll be dumped in 1st round again.

They're starting to age out too. Connor, Ehlers & Morrissey are all 27. How much better is this group going to get? And, they were the young guys at one time too.

Not much of the way of prospects there either. The really big question is if Hellebuyck is going to re-sign there? If not then it's rebuild time.

We find that out this summer.

Jets are frugal as a small market team. Starts with Dubois and Bowness tried to convince him to stay by putting Connor with him. Now it's very possible that they have come to realize that Dubois is not changing his mind so Connor is with Scheifele now. So the focus now shifts to Scheifele and Helle.

I think there is a fair chance they trade all 3 in the next year (Dubois, Scheifele, and Helle) and do a mini rebuild around Connor, Morrisey, and Perfetti. Elhers as well I guess. They do draft very well and can get some very good futures if they trade Dubois, Scheifele, and Helle.

I'm calling it now, Dubois to the Habs this summer and Scheifele to the Avs. Helle may be traded at a later date. If they have plans on trading both Dubois and Scheifele, I can see them taking Dvorak in the Dubois trade. Basically a center depth guy during their mini rebuild. If they don't, they still have to sign centers and maybe Toews is one of their plans. But does Toews want to come home for a rebuild or sign with the Avs or Bruins?

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

Harris isn’t in your ideal scenario in a few year. I don’t see the point in holding on to him the fill a gap 2-3 years when we already have Savard, Matheson, Kovacevic, Edmundson to fill that gap. He might be more useful in 3 seasons when we have trade player away not all prospects pan out… but what do you do with him in the mean time
23-24
Matheson savard
Guhle Baron
Xhekaj kovacevic
Edmundson*Harris

24-25
Matheson Baron
Guhle Savard*
Xhekaj Kovacevic*
Harris Mailloux
Hutson

25-26
Guhle Baron
Hutson Matheson*
Xhekaj Mailloux

Harris is higher in the hierarchy than Kovacevic and they will certainly not be trading Harris to keep Savard/Edmundson in the lineup...

 

[Habs Halifax]

Harris is higher in the hierarchy than Kovacevic and they will certainly not be trading Harris to keep Savard/Edmundson in the lineup...

Savard is a RD and we need him in that spot. So Savard and Matheson are our vets moving forward. Edmundson is the one we try to move and yeah, I agree, we are not moving Harris to make room for Eddy. For as much as l value a healthy Eddy, he don't fit our core at this stage.

 

[Lockin17]

We need a top RHD .

Jiricek from Columbus would be my pick
Barron Sucks, Mailloux will be a second pair.
Unless we draft Reinbacher at #6 we will continue to suck.

what would be the cost ??

Habs first pick 2024 (top 10 protected) + Barron + Kidney ??

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

Harris will probably be used in a bigger trade, like in a Dubois trade if Kent is to make it this summer. I think he would add much value to something like that for the Jets

possible but Jets are loaded on the left also

We need a top RHD .

Jiricek from Columbus would be my pick
Barron Sucks, Mailloux will be a second pair.
Unless we draft Reinbacher at #6 we will continue to suck.

what would be the cost ??

Habs first pick 2024 (top 10 protected) + Barron + Kidney ??

zero reason for Columbus to trade Jiricek they just drafted him and hes been doing amazing

 

[Lockin17]

possible but Jets are loaded on the left also


zero reason for Columbus to trade Jiricek they just drafted him and hes been doing amazing

Gotta make a offer they can't refuse..

switch Kidney for Beck ?

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

Gotta make a offer they can't refuse..

switch Kidney for Beck ?

Not sure on their needs but personally i woudlnt trade Jiricek for that kid has #1 potentiel and RDs are rare