HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #84: Off-Season edition

[Scriptor]

I always wanted to see Domi with Anderson. Bot sure Domi is good enough defensively to be a center though. And we don't need more wingers.

Caufield - Suzuki - Dvo
Farrell - Dach - Slaf/Gurianov/Heineman
RHP - Domi - Anderson
Gallagher - Evans/Belzile - Ylonen
Hoffman, Armia, Pez, Pitlick

How do you come uo with these lineup suggestions?

DVO on a line with Suzuki and Caufield is beyond horrible.

The rest is a big question mark. Likely won't be great, but all based on eventual chemistry to see if it will at least be passable. Then, the question rises as to what you are actually building towards the future with that hodgepodge lineup?

 

[Scriptor]

Yeah, GMs replaced by Apps.

Streamlining the process.

congrats! lol.
your Japanese is still better than mine.

My in-laws are also unilingual, and I'm learning through my wife, who's also from Tokyo but has been in North America off and on for about 9 years.

janeh!

It's a good thing and great respect to try and speak with them in their own tongue.

 

[River Meadow]

Here's a (potentially) difficult hypothetical for you.

Say the season ends in the order it currently is and we neither win the lotto nor move down.

Habs get the 6th and the 14th pick.

Bedard, Fantilli and Carlsson are #1,2,3, and then you get a call.

Would you move #6 and #14 for #4 and Michkov.

If yes, how much more would you pay?

If no, what's the max you would pay?

For Bedard, yes.

For the Russian, no.

Yeah, GMs replaced by Apps.

Streamlining the process.

Outsource GMs to India to save money.

 

[Scriptor]

Sean Behrens might be a more enticing pieces than any prospects we would be willing to give.

I am not sure Beck is more interesting than a 2023 late first.

I think our main argument for Dubois is really FLA 1st. It is an asset i would feel comfortable to give and it is an asset that would be tough to beat from other team. (Id give FLA 1st before Hutson and Mailloux).


I would rather give FLA 1st than Hutson. Don't get me wrong. In fact, i would not touch Hutson, too much starpower and potential in this young fella.

Beck was touted as a late first, but MON took Mesar before Beck who came out at 33rd. I believe that Beck is worth as much a late first rounder in 2023, likely more, but that remains to be seen.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Don't know much about Behrens to know or comment.

I do think Beck is equal or greater than a late 1st. It's a WJC talent so a fair hit. The late 1st is not a hit until it is. Today, I would pick Beck over a late 1st.

I'm all over the Panthers 1st as the prime dangle piece for Dubois. I just wonder what happens if it wins a lottery spot. Changes things

Behrens is a small defenseman. If Hutson was going to last to the 3rd round I doubt Winnipeg would be interested in him.

 

[Scriptor]

If it wins a lottery spot, we totally keep it. We will have to find another way to acquire Dubois tho.

Picking 1-2-3 and 5-6-7 would probably be a long way into moving the rebuild forward. Much like the Sens when they acquired Stutzle and Sanderson in the same draft.

If FLA wins lottery (2nd), and MON picks 7th, the JETS get MON 1st round pick in 2024 (unprotected).

IMO, MON can get another 1st rounder or two in 2024 by trading veteran players. It might be a good gamble for WIN since MON likely won't be a playoff team next year, even with PLD in the lineup. As a lottery pick, MON's pick likely won't be low enough to get the 1st or 2nd OA, but it can still be a lottery pick.

So,

TO MON:

Dubois

TO WIN:

FLA 2023 1st rounder (top-12 protected) + Dvorak + Harris + Beck

If MON gets 2nd OA with the FLA pick and 7th OA with their own, we lose the 2024 1st round pick.

If MON gets the 7th OA with their own pick and the FLA pick doesn't win the lottery, we keep the 2024 1st rounder.

Either way, with the 7th OA, I'd pick Dvorsky to play 3rd line pivot.

If the FLA pick gets 2nd OA, I'df just also pick Fantilli.

Without Fantilli:

Caufield - Suzuki - Dach
Farrell/Roy - Dubois - Anderson
Slafkovsky - Dvorsky - Mesar
RHP - Evans/Farrell - Heineman

As the youngsters gain experience, we could trade Anderson, preferably for help on the right side of D or at G, depending on how things evolve at both positions.:

Caufield - Suzuki - Dach
Farrell - Dubois - Roy
Slafkovsky - Dvorsky - Mesar
RHP - Evans - Heineman

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

I am sure HuGo won't trade the 2024 1st until they have a good idea a where it will be in the draft. Only move picks long before the draft if you are a contender.

 

[26Mats]

How do you come uo with these lineup suggestions?

DVO on a line with Suzuki and Caufield is beyond horrible.

The rest is a big question mark. Likely won't be great, but all based on eventual chemistry to see if it will at least be passable. Then, the question rises as to what you are actually building towards the future with that hodgepodge lineup?

Dvo has no trade value now. Best way to get his trade value up is to play him with Suzuki and Caufueld so his numbers go up...

But yeah, if Domi can't play defense, he's not the guy to sign to replace Dvo at C. But I like the rest. Not sure where you're seeing a hodge podge.

 

[DAChampion]

Lafreniere has emerged as a good player this year, he's probably no longer available, I wish the Habs had acquired him.

Some players, like Tage Thompson, Lafreniere, Terevainen, Dach, McKinnon, and Kotkaniemi look like busts two or three or four years after being drafted, right before taking off. Those kinds of players should be acquired by teams like the Habs in my opinion.

I'm glad Hughes acquired Dach and Gurianov, but it would have been good to add Lafreniere, Kravtsov, and Poolparty.

 

[ML16]

Here's a (potentially) difficult hypothetical for you.

Say the season ends in the order it currently is and we neither win the lotto nor move down.

Habs get the 6th and the 14th pick.

Bedard, Fantilli and Carlsson are #1,2,3, and then you get a call.

Would you move #6 and #14 for #4 and Michkov.

If yes, how much more would you pay?

If no, what's the max you would pay?

If the deal would be #6 + #14 picks vs #4 pick straight up, I wouldn’t pull the trigger, if only because of the geopolitical risks entailed by solely drafting Michkov in a deep 1st round, which the Habs cannot afford at this crucial stage.

If the Habs somehow acquire another 2023 1st in the meantime, I would however definitely consider something centered around #6 + #[20-32] vs #4.

 

[salbutera]

Lafreniere has emerged as a good player this year, he's probably no longer available, I wish the Habs had acquired him.

Some players, like Tage Thompson, Lafreniere, Terevainen, Dach, McKinnon, and Kotkaniemi look like busts two or three or four years after being drafted, right before taking off. Those kinds of players should be acquired by teams like the Habs in my opinion.

I'm glad Hughes acquired Dach and Gurianov, but it would have been good to add Lafreniere, Kravtsov, and Poolparty.

KK still looks like a bust - a career game doesn’t change it

 

[DAChampion]

KK still looks like a bust - a career game doesn’t change it

I was referring to his season as a whole.

If he hits 60 points next year, this forum will be unanimous that they knew that he was going to break out.

 

[salbutera]

I was referring to his season as a whole.

If he hits 60 points next year, this forum will be unanimous that they knew that he was going to break out.

He won’t hit 60 pts, he still can’t stay on his skates.

 

[26Mats]

I was referring to his season as a whole.

If he hits 60 points next year, this forum will be unanimous that they knew that he was going to break out.

As of right now, what would you rather. Dvo's contract that is up at the end of the year and Carolina's late 3rd or KK's contract and our early 2nd we used in the Dvo deal?

 

[HuGo Sham]

Are you sure?




I'd forgotten that as well...

Am I sure? Yeah last time I checked, she was Japanese.
Yeah I'm sure aho means idiot,
and I'm also sure Deslauriers is signed longterm, but he's probably
available with Fletcher getting canned.
The Vapors are good though

Yeah, GMs replaced by Apps.

Streamlining the process.


It's a good thing and great respect to try and speak with them in their own tongue.

obviously man, a little bit of english is widely spoken in Tokyo - especially among the younger generation but I don't show up like some entitled f***head and speak only english to my mother-in-law.
I can greet and and ask questions but not fluent yet

 

[John B]

Lafreniere has emerged as a good player this year, he's probably no longer available, I wish the Habs had acquired him.

Some players, like Tage Thompson, Lafreniere, Terevainen, Dach, McKinnon, and Kotkaniemi look like busts two or three or four years after being drafted, right before taking off. Those kinds of players should be acquired by teams like the Habs in my opinion.

I'm glad Hughes acquired Dach and Gurianov, but it would have been good to add Lafreniere, Kravtsov, and Poolparty.

Especially if you can acquire them for cheap. Puljujarvi vs Puistola, Kravtsov vs Lockwood and a 7th, Gurianov vs Dadonov. Those are pretty low risk moves. If the reclamation project doesn't work out, you didn't give up much anyway.

 

[John B]

As of right now, what would you rather. Dvo's contract that is up at the end of the year and Carolina's late 3rd or KK's contract and our early 2nd we used in the Dvo deal?

Early in the season when Kotkaniemi was struggling I thought the Habs should have made a deal for him with Dvorak going the other way and Carolina adding. I'm not sure if Carolina seen Kotkaniemi as a player they wanted to rid themselves of or not though despite his struggles. Their patience with him has paid off recently. He has bounced back nicely from the beginning of the season.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

He won’t hit 60 pts, he still can’t stay on his skates.

That is irrelevant. He is on pace for 50+ points the last half of the season. And I have NOT noticed him fall much in the games I have watched.

 

[Scriptor]

Am I sure? Yeah last time I checked, she was Japanese.
Yeah I'm sure aho means idiot,
and I'm also sure Deslauriers is signed longterm, but he's probably
available with Fletcher getting canned.
The Vapors are good though


obviously man, a little bit of english is widely spoken in Tokyo - especially among the younger generation but I don't show up like some entitled f***head and speak only english to my mother-in-law.
I can greet and and ask questions but not fluent yet

I was just commending you on the effort. It was a positive statement.

As for the question above, I just wanted a reason to post the link to the song.

 

[HuGo Sham]

I was just commending you on the effort. It was a positive statement.

As for the question above, I just wanted a reason to post the link to the song.

thx man I appreciate the love.
Subtlety is lost on me here sometimes.
And great song!
thank you

 

[Scriptor]

That is irrelevant. He is on pace for 50+ points the last half of the season. And I have NOT noticed him fall much in the games I have watched.

So, it is you falling for him, then

 

[ZUKI]

I was referring to his season as a whole.

If he hits 60 points next year, this forum will be unanimous that they knew that he was going to break out.

I have my 2 comments ready yet;

One if he brakes out , the other if he doesn't . Both beginning with " i told you so..." and both ending by shitting on Bergevin.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

Lafreniere has emerged as a good player this year, he's probably no longer available, I wish the Habs had acquired him.

Some players, like Tage Thompson, Lafreniere, Terevainen, Dach, McKinnon, and Kotkaniemi look like busts two or three or four years after being drafted, right before taking off. Those kinds of players should be acquired by teams like the Habs in my opinion.

I'm glad Hughes acquired Dach and Gurianov, but it would have been good to add Lafreniere, Kravtsov, and Poolparty.

Lafreniere was never available.

 

[Miller Time]

KK still looks like a bust - a career game doesn’t change it

Only from some lenses...

The ability to see past the stat line informs different perspectives.

The ability to see past technical and mental gaps that are within reach to improve, also informs different perspectives.

That is irrelevant. He is on pace for 50+ points the last half of the season. And I have NOT noticed him fall much in the games I have watched.

Almost as if the "Bambi" narrative always was a shallow and short sighted critique

 

[26Mats]

Early in the season when Kotkaniemi was struggling I thought the Habs should have made a deal for him with Dvorak going the other way and Carolina adding. I'm not sure if Carolina seen Kotkaniemi as a player they wanted to rid themselves of or not though despite his struggles. Their patience with him has paid off recently. He has bounced back nicely from the beginning of the season.

Yes, it's amazing what can happen when an organization is patient with its young players.

RHP and Ylonen are only starting to come into their own at 23/24.