HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #84: Off-Season edition

[Benstheman]

Calgary first no protection, in a rebuild, come on now lol.

Exactly Calgary’s pick has the potential to be far more interesting than Florida’s.

 

[Benstheman]

He may not be the youngest and definitely not a number 1 but i wonder if the management would take a look at Hanifin if Calgary doesn’t resign him, maybe they would be interested in their own first pick

I know hes not in the same time range as our young guys but who would trade one D of this caliber in the 20-24 years old

If I trade with Calgary for a D, it’s definitely Andersson. Not Hanifin.

 

[Kaiden Ghoul]

If I trade with Calgary for a D, it’s definitely Andersson. Not Hanifin.

I dont think they will trade their number 1 D signed at 4.5 for 3-4 seasons. Look like Hanifin will be gone via trade/Ufa. Of course it would also depend on how much he wants. Look like we may have to draft our other top pair D, after all…

But i also think that we could use a mid 30’s D, to goes along our young player. Edmunson will be gone via ufa/trade. We have Savard and Matheson for now but long term ?

We have Guhle Harris and X

I guess Hanifin will nlt be the sexiest suggestion but i cant really think of other D available eventually? Maybe Toews if Byram stay healthy, cant think of someone else…

Reindenbach with the Florida pick please or pray we suck enough the next season since it heavy on D

 

[The Great Weal]

That Flames 1st will be juicy when their old and underperforming roster gets even worse. Little surprised they didn't make Anderson to CGY work, but maybe at the draft.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Should have been able to unload both goaltenders. Ottawa and Buffalo have none.

 

[BaseballCoach]

I wouldn’t trade Hutson until we know how he develops and Habs coaches have had the opportunity to work with him up close and personal. Can’t trade high upside players like that and then see them take the next step with another organization.

I don't think Hutson gets traded because his trade value will be nowhere near the potential he might have.

It's nice to say we would not trade him straight up for PLD, but the truth is Winnipeg would never do that deal, so it's kind of moot other than if they told us that, it would be giving us a clue as to what another team thinks of his LIKELIHOOD to hit first-pairing 23 minute level in the NHL.

 

[Kiss Under the Guy]

I dont think they will trade their number 1 D signed at 4.5 for 3-4 seasons. Look like Hanifin will be gone via trade/Ufa. Of course it would also depend on how much he wants. Look like we may have to draft our other top pair D, after all…

But i also think that we could use a mid 30’s D, to goes along our young player. Edmunson will be gone via ufa/trade. We have Savard and Matheson for now but long term ?

We have Guhle Harris and X

I guess Hanifin will nlt be the sexiest suggestion but i cant really think of other D available eventually? Maybe Toews if Byram stay healthy, cant think of someone else…

Reindenbach with the Florida pick please or pray we suck enough the next season since it heavy on D

To me it's more Guhle, X and Xhekaj. Yes, we might need a better top 4 option in two-three years when we compete, but in the meantime, Harris does a decent job and might gain more value next year as he gains experience. And who knows, him or Xhekaj might develop into a legit top 4. It clearly is on the right side that we need more than Barron-Hutson.

So no Hanifin for me at this point in time. He might regress a la Klingberg when the team is ready to compete.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

That Flames 1st will be juicy when their old and underperforming roster gets even worse. Little surprised they didn't make Anderson to CGY work, but maybe at the draft.

Calgary is at the cap already for next season, that's a huge reason why

 

[Pat Riot]

To me it's more Guhle, X and Xhekaj. Yes, we might need a better top 4 option in two-three years when we compete, but in the meantime, Harris does a decent job and might gain more value next year as he gains experience. And who knows, him or Xhekaj might develop into a legit top 4. It clearly is on the right side that we need more than Barron-Hutson.

So no Hanifin for me at this point in time. He might regress a la Klingberg when the team is ready to compete.

Hutson is a LD. We have Mailloux whos promising on the right side

 

[Tuggy]

Calgary first no protection, in a rebuild, come on now lol.

Yeah, Calgary's first isn't going anywhere right now. It's got some nice potential.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Exactly Calgary’s pick has the potential to be far more interesting than Florida’s.

The Conditions on the Flames 1st is long and deep. Difficult to guess on that today.

* Doubt we take the 20-32 pick in 2024.

* Best pick between Panthers 1st and Flames 1st in 2025? Habs can only get a top 10 pick if both are in the top 10. So it's probable to me we are looking at a pick 11-25 range. Similar to the Panthers 1st this year IMO.

 

[Whalers Fan]

The Conditions on the Flames 1st is long and deep. Difficult to guess on that today.

* Doubt we take the 20-32 pick in 2024.

* Best pick between Panthers 1st and Flames 1st in 2025? Habs can only get a top 10 pick if both are in the top 10. So it's probable to me we are looking at a pick 11-25 range. Similar to the Panthers 1st this year IMO.

And that does not even list the conditions of Calgary receiving Florida's 2025 first round pick!

 

[Habs Halifax]

If the Habs opt not use FLA’s 1st round pick in a package for Dubois, maybe CGY’s 2025* 1st + MTL’s 2023 (high) 2nd could be deemed an adequate replacement for FLA’s pick.

* The Flames are not trending in the right direction organization-wise and the Jets might take the gamble. The pick’s conditions are also quite versatile; could be a 2025 1st, or a 2024 1st, or even 2026 (along with a 3rd round pick if the latter option triggers).

I don't think the Jets will take the Flames 1st. Why? Cause other teams will offer a 2023 1st in the next draft (if not the Habs). If the Jets are forced to trade Dubois for futures, they will target young futures now vs later.

Flames 2024th 1st or Flames/Panthers 2025th 1st is likely 11-25 range has a very low % to be top 10. Jets won't bite on that IMO.

Very possible the Jets decide to sign Dubois for one more year and consider trading him at the 24 deadline if they don't get good offers this summer.

And that does not even list the conditions of Calgary receiving Florida's 2025 first round pick!

By then, I do expect the Panthers to get out of their cap trouble and trend better. Not many people know that their 2024th 1st is also unprotected due to the 2025th 1st traded in the Tkachuk trade. That's how we got the 2023 1st cause Giroux was traded for the 2024th 1st and make our 1st unprotected by default.

Regardless, The Flames 1st won't be traded for Dubois IMO. Not as the prime piece. Wondering what our fan base would say if both the Panthers 2023 1st and the Flames 1st are traded for Tkachuk? Doubt Gorton/Hughes do that.

 

[Kaiden Ghoul]

To me it's more Guhle, X and Xhekaj. Yes, we might need a better top 4 option in two-three years when we compete, but in the meantime, Harris does a decent job and might gain more value next year as he gains experience. And who knows, him or Xhekaj might develop into a legit top 4. It clearly is on the right side that we need more than Barron-Hutson.

So no Hanifin for me at this point in time. He might regress a la Klingberg when the team is ready to compete.

X is Xhejac

And Hanifin is way better defensively than Klingberg from what i saw(not a lot)

Kling has always been a hole in his zone, its just this year hes on a reallly bad team, we didnt hear much ablut this when he was on Dallas roster since they had good defensive partner but in Anaheim…lmao

 

[therocket9]

If I trade with Calgary for a D, it’s definitely Andersson. Not Hanifin.

If Calgary trades a D man it will be Weegar before his new contract and NTC kick in on July 1st.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Calgary is at the cap already for next season, that's a huge reason why

Wow, didn't realize how bad that was. 18 players under contract with $1.3M in cap space.

I wonder where Toffoli lands after next season? He might be their best player . Funny and I'm a big Toffoli fan. He's UFA at the right time too... larger cap for 24/25.

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

All things considered, it's pretty amazing that the Habs are as bad as they are and only traded one vet at the deadline. I know the factors have been discussed ad nauseam, but just ignoring all those, it's honestly quite impressive (in a disappointing way for us Habs fans).

 

[Andrei79]

All things considered, it's pretty amazing that the Habs are as bad as they are and only traded one vet at the deadline. I know the factors have been discussed ad nauseam, but just ignoring all those, it's honestly quite impressive (in a disappointing way for us Habs fans).

I actually feel the opposite. I can't believe they're competitive in games, even if they lose, with the lineup they're dressing right now. Basically everyone good is injured.

 

[SwiftyHab]

like on hf, fans are driving this bus

Kent will do what is best, need to trust him

Wouldn’t say it’s just the fans. Every time there’s a chance of the fire going out, Darren Drager or Elliot Freedman mention how much he wants to come here.

 

[ML16]

I don't think the Jets will take the Flames 1st. Why? Cause other teams will offer a 2023 1st in the next draft (if not the Habs). If the Jets are forced to trade Dubois for futures, they will target young futures now vs later.

Flames 2024th 1st or Flames/Panthers 2025th 1st is likely 11-25 range has a very low % to be top 10. Jets won't bite on that IMO.

Very possible the Jets decide to sign Dubois for one more year and consider trading him at the 24 deadline if they don't get good offers this summer.
By then, I do expect the Panthers to get out of their cap trouble and trend better. Not many people know that their 2024th 1st is also unprotected due to the 2025th 1st traded in the Tkachuk trade. That's how we got the 2023 1st cause Giroux was traded for the 2024th 1st and make our 1st unprotected by default.

Regardless, The Flames 1st won't be traded for Dubois IMO. Not as the prime piece. Wondering what our fan base would say if both the Panthers 2023 1st and the Flames 1st are traded for Tkachuk? Doubt Gorton/Hughes do that.

The way I see it, the Jets have essentially two options: A) either cut their losses and sell Dubois’ rights this summer or B) go all in with their current core and likely risk losing him for nothing at the end of the 2023-2024 season.

An in-between scenario - signing Dubois one year and trade him by TDL 2024 - is highly unlikely in my humble opinion; unless the Jets somehow crash hard next year and are out if the playoffs picture by early March.

In any event, selling Dubois as a UFA-to-be at TDL 2024 would likely fetch at most a late 2024 1st and A prospect.

Thus, to make a trade happen this summer, the Habs should aim to offer the Jets a slightly better package than that the aforementioned TDL 2024 price tag, an overpayment they can definitively afford because unlike most teams, Montreal can reasonably expect to sign Dubois long-term.

In that spirit, FLA’s 2023 1st is of course a very strong asset to dangle as the main counterpart. But I don’t dislike the idea of CGY’s 2025* 1st + MTL’s (high) 2nd instead of FLA’s pick. Dubois + 2 top-15 prospects would be an amazing 1st round result, especially if the Habs can draft a promising RHD with one of these picks

 

[Canadienna]

Here's a (potentially) difficult hypothetical for you.

Say the season ends in the order it currently is and we neither win the lotto nor move down.

Habs get the 6th and the 14th pick.

Bedard, Fantilli and Carlsson are #1,2,3, and then you get a call.

Would you move #6 and #14 for #4 and Michkov.

If yes, how much more would you pay?

If no, what's the max you would pay?

 

[BargainBinSpecial]

All things considered, it's pretty amazing that the Habs are as bad as they are and only traded one vet at the deadline. I know the factors have been discussed ad nauseam, but just ignoring all those, it's honestly quite impressive (in a disappointing way for us Habs fans).

The vets are seen as worthless around the league.

All things considered, it's pretty amazing that the Habs are as bad as they are and only traded one vet at the deadline. I know the factors have been discussed ad nauseam, but just ignoring all those, it's honestly quite impressive (in a disappointing way for us Habs fans).

Sit tight, it's going to be a long ride.

Here's a (potentially) difficult hypothetical for you.

Say the season ends in the order it currently is and we neither win the lotto nor move down.

Habs get the 6th and the 14th pick.

Bedard, Fantilli and Carlsson are #1,2,3, and then you get a call.

Would you move #6 and #14 for #4 and Michkov.

If yes, how much more would you pay?

If no, what's the max you would pay?

The Habs won't be able to move up. I would trade the second first for Dubois.

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

I actually feel the opposite. I can't believe they're competitive in games, even if they lose, with the lineup they're dressing right now. Basically everyone good is injured.

Oh I meant bad in the standings (last in the Atlantic by a wide margin). I'm very happy with the on-ice compete level I've seen all year long, pretty much. I agree, it's quite impressive.

 

[calder candidate]

Here's a (potentially) difficult hypothetical for you.

Say the season ends in the order it currently is and we neither win the lotto nor move down.

Habs get the 6th and the 14th pick.

Bedard, Fantilli and Carlsson are #1,2,3, and then you get a call.

Would you move #6 and #14 for #4 and Michkov.

If yes, how much more would you pay?

If no, what's the max you would pay?

Moving up 2 spots doesn’t cost the 14th pick, the price would be closer to a 2nd round pick maybe even a 3rd especially if it is the team pick 4th that is calling to trade down…

 

[Scriptor]

No, she is Japanese


year one of a 4 year contract with philly

Are you sure?

Ahhhhhh i completely forgot about that lol. Thanks for updating me.

Scrap that idea then

I'd forgotten that as well...